I am getting seriously frustrated with this stupid ****ing pivot jibe, ive realised that i must be doing sumthing wrong, as i have to **** around with the sail for quite sumtime to start going the other direction. And for the clear reason 'Jibing is meant to allow you to maintain some speed' as when i attempt the pivot jibe, i come to a clear stop.

Has anybody got a video posted or a guide or anything? links please.

I shall try explain what my actions are in my attempt to jibe, as im sure somebody will ask how my attempts go about.

. Sailing along
. Lean mast forward and sheet in
. Transfer my footwork and balance so they are basically sitting on my two front foot straps
. Lean mast directly horizontly to the board (west or east if the nose is north)
. Powerhand sheets almost end of the boom towards my face
then when the board stops steering
. Powerhand pushs boom away from me, and is meant to spin a full 90 degrees. BUT> the wind catchs it on the other side

and this is the part where i get seriously pissed off. the end of the boom is practially hanging over the nose of the board, so i transfer my footwork/balance to a safe-ish state so i can pull the boom back around and start sailing the other direction.

If that made any sense or had enough information, youd notice that when i push the boom away from me, is when **** hits the fan

Ive tryed asking a couple of locals, but almost everybody ive asked has said, 'Im not the man to ask about jibing, im not to great at it'

Well anyways im going to moreton bay to go practive pivot jibing. Tips please

See if you can find the DVD "TURN FOR THE BETTER"
I havnt yet sorted it out either
But I now know what I am doing wrong

whats the difference between a pivot gybe.. and a normal gybe? if a pivot gybe is what I think it is, then isn't it normal that you pretty much come to a stop at some stage?

I think the Pivot Gybe and Slam Gybe are one and the same.
You head up wind and aggressively sink the tail and pivot the board around (gybe wise) while keeping the sail more or less upright. You pretty much stop but immediately move off in the direction you came from clew first. That bit is more or less like a clew first water start. Then you flip the rig.

http://www.boardseekermag.com/technique/Slam-Gybe-video.html

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Buy this or the DVD version from your local shop and you will have info on every trick you can think of ..

Sounds like you're thinking of a normal carve gybe, not a pivot gybe...

Practice, practice, watch "Turn for the better", practice, practice, steal a copy of "Alan Cadiz Gybing on Maui", practice, get better at waterstarts, practice, lean forward into the turn, practice, fall off loads, finally get one and make everyone deaf with your WOOHOO

best tip i ever got with gybes, and pretty much everything is in general. look where you want to go.

also if your sail is ending up dead downwind, then you probably have to work on pulling the mast across the front of your body when you flip the rig.

where do you usually sail?

In a pivot or slam gybe, the sail does not move.

You stand on the tail (back foot just in front of the back strap, not right up near front straps as you are doing) which pretty much kills all forward motion.
You then spin the board around with a seriously hard push with the front foot (in the strap) almost like you are trying to rip the strap out of the board..... as I said the sail does not move.

The the board is pointing the other way, you sail out clew first.


Scully, some of your steps are reminiscent of a carve gybe so what are you trying to do? Planing carve gybe is totally different to a slam/pivot

Never heard it called a pivot gybe before, I thought Scully was talking about some longboard light wind turn. Weren't pivot gybes called snap gybes too a long time ago? I know it's not the right way to do it, but I find them infinitely easier if I switch my stance before doing the turn, then you don't end up in a weird clew first switch stance half waterstart position.

I could be wrong but I think he is talking about a non-planing pivot jibe.

Scully, I won't go through all the steps here cause there is heaps of other people that probably do a much better job than I ever could. Also just decribing it with words doesn't work, you need to look at some video footage.

It sounds like your main problem is your footwork. You didn't describe that very well. You actually need to step _back_ with your back foot (in the middle of the board) and apply some pressure, while leaning the mast forward and sheeting in. Without that back foot at the back the board won't pivot around, which I guess is what is happening to you.

Back foot has to be behind the front straps. Maybe in the middle between front and back straps The further back you go the snappier it will turn. I think for snappy turns my back foot is quite close to the back straps, but I don't look at my feet anymore . At the start try to find a position where it turns not too quickly. And try to look where you go and not on your feet.

There is heaps of DVDs you can buy, but have a look at this: windsurfing.happystoic.com/nonplaningjibe

The 2nd vido is Jem Hall, you also access it directly via his web page as well (www.jemhall.com). Also check out Guy Cribbs web page (www.guycribb.com), he has many good tips.

Alright so to kill the confusion, i just asked the man that taught me the pivot gybe if its also known as a slam gybe. And Apparently Sooo.

Pivot Gybe = Slam Gybe

Sounds like i own a dud learning dvd, as it has only created confusion when it came to gybing, ill invest in that turning for the better dvd thx :D

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swoosh said...
also if your sail is ending up dead downwind, then you probably have to work on pulling the mast across the front of your body when you flip the rig.

where do you usually sail?

Sailing dead downwind sounds like it, but pulling the mast across the front of your body... argh confusion.
Wellington Point/Woody Point

Well based on the majority of your opinions, sounds like i should go back out there and try transfering my balance/footwork. Keep the advice coming thow, as i expect to come back in a couple of hours just as frustrated.

watch the first few second of that, thats what i mean by looking where you are going and pulling the mast across the front of your body. i tend to have the most success if i look back towards where i'm wanting to go.

i'm not a great gyber by any stretch, but i get around most of them fairly dry. i could probably have my back hand a little further back on the boom, but it was a fairly light wind day so i didn't even bother trying to plane out of my gybe lol.

anyway, i usually sail somewhere in moreton bay too, so if i see you i'll try and video one of your gybes, it really helps to work out what you are doing wrong.

if you want to see some awesome gybes, i think it might be sailquik or one of the vic boys who has a video of some amazingly smooth gybes.

*edit* found it.. its sailquik

Thx for the help swoosh, ill go about my gybes in a different way after work 2moro :D

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swoosh said...
anyway, i usually sail somewhere in moreton bay too, so if i see you i'll try and video one of your gybes, it really helps to work out what you are doing wrong.

Sweet as man, I'm the guy sailing a 4.7 ezzy at wello even when its 8 knot winds :P
Itll be pritty easy to find me, i think i stand out from the crowd with my tiny sail in light winds, or im the guy sailing without a harness in 20 knot winds :P

Hi, Scully,

You might also care to buy Guy Cribb's Intuition Gybing DVD. Although it costs about $80, it goes for almost 2 hours and can be used to improve your gybing as you progress in the sport.

If you buy it, go to the Chapters section and select the "Light Wind Gybes", which covers no wind and light wind gybing.

Hope this helps.

I think we used to call these Flair/Flare Gybes in the UK - and that's what Peter Hart calls them on his DVD's.

Flair/Flare Gybe - lightwind, tail sinking, scooping sail to complete the turn and come out clew first. The board is angled against the turn (completely different to a carve gybe)
Flarve Gybe - starts as a carve gybe but you use the sail and sink a tail a little to complete the turn (good for when learning the carve gybe)
Carve Gybe - we know what that is.

I like the involuntary slam gybe!

HUH! Swoosh 2nd video.see he doesn't change his feet until after hes gybed either! I'm not a freak after all.. I posted that I didnt change my feet until after once & got the impression it was wrong..I do it when im really blasting as well ( memories of my good gybes..) as it feels safer to be in the straps the whole time until after Im back in the harness.
It makes sense to me as you dont have any footwork/movement to slow the board down during the critical gybe part only after as your planing away..

sboardcrazy... leaving a foot in the footstrap is all about choice. I go strap-to-strap the whole time. A few people learning to gybe have found this technique useful as well.

When you're learning, flipping the rig causes instability. As does changing your feet. So why do it all at the same time?

Entirely personal preference though.