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AUS-057
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18 Nov 2011 7:06pm
100x lighter than styrofoam. I wonder what % of weight the styrofoam blank is on an average board.

www.smh.com.au/technology/scientists-invent-lightest-material-on-earth-what-now-20111118-1nmok.html

barn
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18 Nov 2011 5:16pm
^Cool.

EPS cores are normally 14kg per cubic metre. So a 100L board would have a core that weighed about 1.4kg minus the volume of the laminate.

11kg/m3 blanks are about as light as you can get I think.
Haircut
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18 Nov 2011 9:36pm
be interesting to know it's strength for it's weight
Mobydisc
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18 Nov 2011 11:10pm
Haircut said...

be interesting to know it's strength for it's weight


And its cost
Mark _australia
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19 Nov 2011 11:16am
Splitting hairs but they haven't invented the "lightest material on earth". The material is nickel but it is arranged in such a manner that there is lots of air. They have invented a way of using an existing material.

I was all excited thinking they had a new polymer (ie new compound) like a foam that was reasonable cost and we could all use, rather they are just doing trick stuff with existing materials
Sailhack
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20 Nov 2011 11:35am
Not certain, but I'm guessing that it wouldn't have the tensile properties needed to make a board core? Would it 'spring back' from compression & flex?

As Mark mentioned, the 'lightweight' element is air. This goes for styrofoam & most 'lightweight' materials with possible uses for board blanks...now if they could manufacture a composite carbon core using the same principles, that would be impressive & worth researching further!
Brett Morris
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20 Nov 2011 4:28pm
That was my first thought, "can they build a windsurfer from it"? One can only dream.
stehsegler
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20 Nov 2011 2:07pm
I am guessing the people asking for lighter boards wouldn't be the same complaining that their wave boards break to easily. Just saying...
LeStef
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20 Nov 2011 7:43pm
yeah but if a board was super light, like 1.5 Kg, would it work at all ?
Or would it just be uncontrollable and blow away with any gusts ?
barn
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20 Nov 2011 4:46pm
Mark _australia said...

They have invented a way of using an existing material.



So there can't be any new materials until we discover new elements?.. That's a drag..

Isn't Glass fibre a different material than plate glass, which are both also different from sand? Even though it's all Silicon dioxide, the Raw Material..
Mobydisc
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20 Nov 2011 8:25pm
LeStef said...

yeah but if a board was super light, like 1.5 Kg, would it work at all ?
Or would it just be uncontrollable and blow away with any gusts ?


It would probably depend on how strong the wind and the water state. If you had a board that little mass despite having a reasonable volume then it would be great for getting going in light breezes. However it would become quite a handful in stronger winds. I remember reading a magazine article where two boards of the same design but with different construction methods were compared to each other. The testers prefered the heavier board as they found it more controllable.

There is a fair chance they tested the board at a location that was windy like the Red Sea or Canary Islands. If they tested the boards in marginal wind conditions the results may have been different.
albers
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20 Nov 2011 9:07pm
I think we are over analysing the impact of new gear.

I, and many others, have seen the great footage of the Gerroa wavesailing comp two weekends ago.

But a few years ago, I was given some footage of Josh Adams wavesailing at Esperance in the late Eighties (film was called "Summers a Breeze") when Josh was around 18 years old.

The gear he was sailing on would make today's sailors cringe. One piece SDM, fibreglass waveboard, mylar sail with a few leech battens. But his sailing was amazing, even compared to some of the best moves by the best sailors at Gerroa on that weekend

All of todays' gear is designed to a level way beyond that of what most sailors utilise. It's a "mind over matter" game, and breaking through that crucial barrier
is the great hurdle of this sport.

Cheers


Mark _australia
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20 Nov 2011 9:18pm
barn said...

Mark _australia said...

They have invented a way of using an existing material.



So there can't be any new materials until we discover new elements?.. That's a drag..

Isn't Glass fibre a different material than plate glass, which are both also different from sand? Even though it's all Silicon dioxide, the Raw Material..



No, all I said was it is not the "lightest material" on earth. rather it is a useful rearrangement of a material

It is like if I stretched out a bit of bubblegum to 2km long and then said it is lighter than another bit of bubblegum. No, it is just light for it's size. As is the lattice thingy they have made.
It is wonderful what they have done, but the reporter got carried away in the description IMHO

And glass fibre would not be much good if the resin never happened and likewise it is a useful rearrangement of an existing material

I am starting to think of a similar lattice with carbon nanotubes, shaped and used as a board core........
ozpricey
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20 Nov 2011 11:40pm
The needle-like fiber shape of CNTs is similar to asbestos fibers. Although further research is required, the available data suggests that under certain conditions, especially those involving chronic exposure, carbon nanotubes can pose a serious risk to human health.


Good luck with that!

Source: CNT Wiki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_nanotube
lefthanders
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20 Nov 2011 11:40pm
Maybe boards don't need to have an EPS blank, maybe they could bring this technology back:

www.airinside.ch/uk_boards.htm
slalomfreak
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21 Nov 2011 7:23am
lefthanders said...

Maybe boards don't need to have an EPS blank, maybe they could bring this technology back:

www.airinside.ch/uk_boards.htm


Might be something to this construction method for larger say greater than 120 litre boards but with smaller boards its marginal.
F2 used this back in the 90s Aerodyne I think it was called.Not bad boards actually but they leaked.
crakas
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21 Nov 2011 1:51pm
From the makers/designer/scientists paper..

"Ultralight (<10 milligrams per cubic centimeter) cellular materials are desirable for thermal insulation; battery electrodes; catalyst supports; and acoustic, vibration, or shock energy damping. We present ultralight materials based on periodic hollow-tube microlattices. These materials are fabricated by starting with a template formed by self-propagating photopolymer waveguide prototyping, coating the template by electroless nickel plating, and subsequently etching away the template. The resulting metallic microlattices exhibit densities ρ ≥ 0.9 milligram per cubic centimeter, complete recovery after compression exceeding 50% strain, and energy absorption similar to elastomers. Young's modulus E scales with density as E ~ ρ2, in contrast to the E ~ ρ3 scaling observed for ultralight aerogels and carbon nanotube foams with stochastic architecture. We attribute these properties to structural hierarchy at the nanometer, micrometer, and millimeter scales."
Sailhack
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21 Nov 2011 3:03pm
^^^ "...that's what she said!"
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