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Created by Sputnik11 > 9 months ago, 10 Mar 2013
Windxtasy
WA, 4017 posts
15 Mar 2013 9:57AM
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Futura 122 is a good choice.
If your current biggest sail is 5.5 then 7.5 will sound huge to you. Buy a 6.5 for this season then when you find on the light days it is still not enough buy a 7.5 next season. You'll still use the 6.5 on the moderately windy days. I use mine up to about 20 knots. It is a cammed sail and it depowers well.
I am under 60 kg, my light wind board is a 111 Futura. I was initially advised to get a 7.5 for light wind days but like you I thought that is too big. I was unsure if I could waterstart it. I had only just bought a 6.4 (up from 5.8). The 6.4 is beautifully balanced on the 111 but not enough power for the light wind days (under 14 knots). I have now progressed to a 7.5. Much more grunt but it is a bit heavy.

John340
QLD, 3373 posts
15 Mar 2013 1:36PM
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Sputnik11 said...
John632 said...
What did you decide? We are all hanging on tender hooks.


actually went for starboard, but not iSonic, something with width and volume, but more forgiving . . .futura

p.s. - believe it or not, its tenterhooks, generally hooks aren't very tender


I'll have to lobby Seabreeze to install spell check!

This has been a great topic, lots of good info. Hope you enjoy the new board. Let us know how it goes.

I weigh 86kg. I've also just bought a Futura 111L which I intend to use with a 7.0m2, to sail in +15kts

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
15 Mar 2013 2:40PM
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John632 said...
Sputnik11 said...
John632 said...
What did you decide? We are all hanging on tender hooks.


actually went for starboard, but not iSonic, something with width and volume, but more forgiving . . .futura

p.s. - believe it or not, its tenterhooks, generally hooks aren't very tender


I'll have to lobby Seabreeze to install spell check!

This has been a great topic, lots of good info. Hope you enjoy the new board. Let us know how it goes.

I weigh 86kg. I've also just bought a Futura 111L which I intend to use with a 7.0m2, to sail in +15kts


Now trying to organise a courier. Pack and Send have quoted $280 (QLD to VIC). I told the buyer I'd organise the pack as well as the send. If it was already packed it would be $90 with other couriers. Anyone got any bright ideas?

jamesf
NSW, 1002 posts
15 Mar 2013 2:43PM
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Offer to pay the seller $50 extra to cover the packaging material (big roll of bubble wrap costs $20 from aus post) and their time. Cheaper than the pack and send option.

timl
WA, 65 posts
15 Mar 2013 1:19PM
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Hey Sputnik11, just thought I'd chime in too and say I've also picked up a Futura 111 at the start of the year. I'm about 90kg and sail it mostly with Severne Turbo's 7m/ 8.1m. I picked up the 8.1 for yellow arrow days and it's been getting me out when it's marginal ~12-15kts, but I tend to use it up to about 17kts (because I hate grovelling). Good board, definitely maximised my TOW this season.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
15 Mar 2013 4:20PM
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joe windsurf said...
Sailhack:

110 kegs = 110 kilograms ??
if so , how can you "get going" in 10 knots on 130 liter and 7.2 sail ??
at 100 kilos, 7.2 for me is used in 30-50 kph winds or about 20 knots !!!
10 knots is 94 cm wide FreeFormula with 10-oh !!


Pump it! Haha. Seriously though, 10kts is not 'ideal', but by using an older (longer) board (2004), it's achievable once going. I'd obviously prefer 15kts+ but with a little chop/runner to gain momentum off & a few timed pumps, once planing - 10kts can be a joy to sail in - unless it drops to 9kts.

Btw, that 110kgs isn't all fat...so I keep telling myself!

evlPanda
NSW, 9207 posts
15 Mar 2013 4:32PM
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Sailhack said...
At 110kegs, my 130l with 7.2m sail will get me going in about 10kts - from 15kts, my weapon of choice is a 116 with a 6.6 sail (used to be a 109 that performed similar). The 122 iSonic with a 6.5 should be more than enough for a lightweight like yourself. Also look at sails with a large rigging range (ie; a 7.0m sail that can be downhauled to a 6.5 equiv).


Sailhack said...
joe windsurf said...
Sailhack:

110 kegs = 110 kilograms ??
if so , how can you "get going" in 10 knots on 130 liter and 7.2 sail ??
at 100 kilos, 7.2 for me is used in 30-50 kph winds or about 20 knots !!!
10 knots is 94 cm wide FreeFormula with 10-oh !!


Pump it! Haha. Seriously though, 10kts is not 'ideal', but by using an older (longer) board (2004), it's achievable once going. I'd obviously prefer 15kts+ but with a little chop/runner to gain momentum off & a few timed pumps, once planing - 10kts can be a joy to sail in - unless it drops to 9kts.

Btw, that 110kgs isn't all fat...so I keep telling myself!


10 knots? What broken windmeter is this?
Lucky to get a blade moth thingy going in a real 10 knots. Certainly not 110Kg on a 7.2. Formulas are struggling.

I could get going in an estimated 13 knots, if it was super flat and a constant wind, and the tide was helping a little. On a 7.2 and 110 litre/65cm + 40cm fin. And yeah, it was really very, very nice. Underrated even.

PS: Wind speed is not linear to its power. 13 knots has a lot more power than 10.

hitch
QLD, 144 posts
15 Mar 2013 4:36PM
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there is another aspect to this - new gear v old - I just got a quite new isonic 127 - it is 85cm wide - but somehow because it is so very light it floats me and a big rig as well or better than the kids JP funster rated @ 160l - ltrs appear not always equal!

I am 96 kg & with a 7.8m i need a puff about or just over 15knt to get me planing - once planing I can keep on going in very light lulls

hitch
QLD, 144 posts
15 Mar 2013 4:41PM
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I should add it has vastly added to the number of sailable days - & very wide boards with 50 cm fins like that point upwind in an astonishing way - you can tour around exploring a long way from where you launch like the old days on a board with a centre board (i am sure formula sailors will be saying what took you so long to figure it out???)

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
15 Mar 2013 6:31PM
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Interesting discussion. Someone earlier in the thread asked me how I was measuring the wind or was I guestimating. I use the websites and my 30+ years of sailing, but I suppose nothing substitutes for a wind gauge.

What I am calling 10 - 14 knots maybe what someone else thinks is 8.

For those Melbournians, I am looking for gear that would have me sailing on a night like tonight. Just been down to the beach and it was marginal, but I was thinking that the Futura with a 6.5 would have been the business tonight.

Much more TOW next summer. Now if I can only get a frickin' courier who will pack and send the board without charging me $280.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Mar 2013 6:46PM
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Windxtasy said...
Futura 122 is a good choice.
If your current biggest sail is 5.5 then 7.5 will sound huge to you. Buy a 6.5 for this season then when you find on the light days it is still not enough buy a 7.5 next season. You'll still use the 6.5 on the moderately windy days. I use mine up to about 20 knots. It is a cammed sail and it depowers well.
I am under 60 kg, my light wind board is a 111 Futura. I was initially advised to get a 7.5 for light wind days but like you I thought that is too big. I was unsure if I could waterstart it. I had only just bought a 6.4 (up from 5.8). The 6.4 is beautifully balanced on the 111 but not enough power for the light wind days (under 14 knots). I have now progressed to a 7.5. Much more grunt but it is a bit heavy.


Boy you'd fly with a 7.5m at your weight..my 7.2 gets me going in 10-15kts and I weigh more than you..

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Mar 2013 6:51PM
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evlPanda said...
Sailhack said...
At 110kegs, my 130l with 7.2m sail will get me going in about 10kts - from 15kts, my weapon of choice is a 116 with a 6.6 sail (used to be a 109 that performed similar). The 122 iSonic with a 6.5 should be more than enough for a lightweight like yourself. Also look at sails with a large rigging range (ie; a 7.0m sail that can be downhauled to a 6.5 equiv).


Sailhack said...
joe windsurf said...
Sailhack:

110 kegs = 110 kilograms ??
if so , how can you "get going" in 10 knots on 130 liter and 7.2 sail ??
at 100 kilos, 7.2 for me is used in 30-50 kph winds or about 20 knots !!!
10 knots is 94 cm wide FreeFormula with 10-oh !!


Pump it! Haha. Seriously though, 10kts is not 'ideal', but by using an older (longer) board (2004), it's achievable once going. I'd obviously prefer 15kts+ but with a little chop/runner to gain momentum off & a few timed pumps, once planing - 10kts can be a joy to sail in - unless it drops to 9kts.

Btw, that 110kgs isn't all fat...so I keep telling myself!


10 knots? What broken windmeter is this?
Lucky to get a blade moth thingy going in a real 10 knots. Certainly not 110Kg on a 7.2. Formulas are struggling.

I could get going in an estimated 13 knots, if it was super flat and a constant wind, and the tide was helping a little. On a 7.2 and 110 litre/65cm + 40cm fin. And yeah, it was really very, very nice. Underrated even.

PS: Wind speed is not linear to its power. 13 knots has a lot more power than 10.


Also depends on whether its a gusty 10kts or a consistent..We have 10-15kt days where there are 500m lulls and a few puffs.. I can't get going in that but if its a consistent 10kts I can just get planing on a reach (I'm not the world's greatest lightwind sailor although the guy cribb course has helped). I don't pump..

John340
QLD, 3373 posts
15 Mar 2013 6:23PM
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If its under 15kts I get out my Mistral superlight 11 with a 9.5m2 sail. The alternatives are too much like hard work!

Sputnik11
VIC, 972 posts
15 Mar 2013 7:27PM
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sboardcrazy said...
evlPanda said...
Sailhack said...
At 110kegs, my 130l with 7.2m sail will get me going in about 10kts - from 15kts, my weapon of choice is a 116 with a 6.6 sail (used to be a 109 that performed similar). The 122 iSonic with a 6.5 should be more than enough for a lightweight like yourself. Also look at sails with a large rigging range (ie; a 7.0m sail that can be downhauled to a 6.5 equiv).


Sailhack said...
joe windsurf said...
Sailhack:

110 kegs = 110 kilograms ??
if so , how can you "get going" in 10 knots on 130 liter and 7.2 sail ??
at 100 kilos, 7.2 for me is used in 30-50 kph winds or about 20 knots !!!
10 knots is 94 cm wide FreeFormula with 10-oh !!


Pump it! Haha. Seriously though, 10kts is not 'ideal', but by using an older (longer) board (2004), it's achievable once going. I'd obviously prefer 15kts+ but with a little chop/runner to gain momentum off & a few timed pumps, once planing - 10kts can be a joy to sail in - unless it drops to 9kts.

Btw, that 110kgs isn't all fat...so I keep telling myself!


10 knots? What broken windmeter is this?
Lucky to get a blade moth thingy going in a real 10 knots. Certainly not 110Kg on a 7.2. Formulas are struggling.

I could get going in an estimated 13 knots, if it was super flat and a constant wind, and the tide was helping a little. On a 7.2 and 110 litre/65cm + 40cm fin. And yeah, it was really very, very nice. Underrated even.

PS: Wind speed is not linear to its power. 13 knots has a lot more power than 10.


Also depends on whether its a gusty 10kts or a consistent..We have 10-15kt days where there are 500m lulls and a few puffs.. I can't get going in that but if its a consistent 10kts I can just get planing on a reach (I'm not the world's greatest lightwind sailor although the guy cribb course has helped). I don't pump..


you don't pump????

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
15 Mar 2013 11:43PM
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I'm happy to be proven wrong if the wind I'm heading out in is in fact under 10kts...it could be slightly more, but my point was that my gear will get me going from 10-15kts. The lower scale needing much concentration/technique and pumping to get going. As mentioned, 13kts is a big difference and with marginal Vic winds - I wouldn't go out if the 10kts was the maximum gust speed as it just wouldn't get me going.

Using a rig that isn't 'over-hauled', using gust/roll & pumping to get going, closing off the bottom of the sail along the board & with a concentrated stance, I've sailed in about that 10kts. Much more enjoyable with a few more knots though.



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