Do you jump hooked in?
Do you sheet out when going up the ramp?
Are you sheeted in in the air?
Overhand or underhand front grip for jumping?
What is the best board angle to land?

Any good websites to tips?

Any tips would be appreciated!

Coming from someone just starting to 'hop' (and also keen to hear advice)

Do you jump hooked in?
Depending on the size of the jump, small-yes....big, ummmm never done a big jump!

Do you sheet out when going up the ramp?
NO - Sheet in and push your feet forward (got to get the max amount of air)

Are you sheeted in in the air?
I find by being sheeted in, the landing's softer....coming from a novice chop-hopper, I feel more in control when sheeted in - keep body position tight.

Overhand or underhand front grip for jumping?
Since starting to go underhand, my technique's improved heaps.

What is the best board angle to land?
For starters - tail first with nose around 45degrees downwind for quick recovery (again...I'm a novice!)


Any good websites to tips?
Peter Hart's got a good video "Introduction to wave sailing" (or something like that, shows a couple of good starting pointers, although watching someone with his ability doing what he calls 'basics' is a bit sickening for us beginners)

Hopefully someone that has more experience will give some valuable advice, the above is just from my experiences, and they're pretty limited!

When you're learning it's probably better to unhook in case you catupult on landing or get on some weird angle in the air.

I think I sheet out a bit in the air. It's not a conscious thing, just trying to imagine myself jumping and I think I do, and kind of hang under the sail a bit. Sheeting in brings the nose down.

Do you jump hooked in? Yes
Do you sheet out when going up the ramp? Dunno. I might a bit, but more like pumping up the ramp
Are you sheeted in in the air? Yes. Makes you fly, rather than just going up and down. Landing is much softer having sheeted in, but best to sheet out as the board is landing so as not to have too much load on the fin.
Overhand or underhand front grip for jumping? Underhand. Bicep is much stronger and quicker than tricep for pulling the mast in closer when jumping
What is the best board angle to land? A little downwind. Otherwise you'll probably spin-out on landing. Not a good way to finish a good jump.

Any good websites to tips? Dunno

Any tips would be appreciated! Make sure you use plenty of downhaul when rigging. The more downhaul, the more controllable the rig is for jumping, and the easier it is to fly. Not enough and you'll feel like the board is really heavy on the water and won't want to jump. And GO FOR IT. Bailing out makes for hard landings and no control.

time the ramp
sheet in
point down wind slightly through the air
try and keep the nose up
enjoy

"Do you jump hooked in?"

Safety note: whilst learning and improving, hook out. This is important: too dangerous for the catapult. You can always start hooking in once you're proficient at some wave size.

Tips, Tubes, etc.: just Google around, plenty of that.

do u take of vertical, look over your left shoulder at the sumitt of the jump, then land nose first in to a crumpled heap and nearly burst your ear drum - yes

If you want inspiration, watch the old Robby Naish film RIP. But you'll need a parachute to land some of the jumps he does.

The Best tip is to tuck your legs right up under your bum

That way you will get a bit more air time and are less likely to spin out on landing,

If you do spin out , dont panic , just tilt the board to leeward and pull with your back leg to "grip" the fin again.

Good website is

www.roynbartholdi.com lots of tips for jumps in there , in fact theres tips for just about everything!

Cheers

If you move the rig forward and lean it out over you, you can sheet in and get some lift.
If you move the rig towards the tail, that will tend to make you nose dive, if you don't sheet out, moving it forward helps keep the nose up, and lets you keep sheeted in.
Use your feet to keep the windward rail up!!!!. If the wind gets on top of the board you could go into a power dive.
Your feet can also be used for keeping the nose up so you can land tail first

I learnt to jump being hooked in every time! It will keep you body in a neat position to the rig and result in smoother flight and landings as it keeps your body in a planing position so effectively you are just flying through the air as you would plane on the water. Keep you weight more on the back foot as you land but bend the knees to absorb the shock, this will avoid a catapult situation as the sail loads again on the water.
Always use front arm under boom so when you hit the ramp you can lift the boom and you pull the front foot up as well to get the board to release from the water. As the nose goes up pull the back foot up so the board is level in the air and the fin is well clear of the water. As your in a slight crouched position sheet out a tiny tiny bit just so the wind pushes the sail up for more lift but keeps the nose up to.

Hope this helps and you can understand what i mean - sounds a lot to take in but will all fall into place and always keep year head in the position you want to land ie if you turn your head your body will automatically follow ending in sideway landings and burst ear drums

Good luck - its the best feeling!!!

sweet! Thanks for the tips! So many times I have been cruising towards an awesome peak and just.... dodged it or sheeted out and crawled over it.

Yeah I've checked Robbie N on youtube (or any other pro) - just awesome.

Buy A Kite

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WINDY MILLER said...

do u take of vertical, look over your left shoulder at the sumitt of the jump, then land nose first in to a crumpled heap and nearly burst your ear drum - yes

beats landing on the rig. backy smacky

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Flux said...

Buy A Kite

He said jump tips on how to jump - not tips on how to get dragged along the beach headbutting star droppers!

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russh said...

Flux said...

Buy A Kite

He said jump tips on how to jump - not tips on how to get dragged along the beach headbutting star droppers!

Yea Yea haha, you know I'm right thats why you feel the need, the need to rebut but there is sadly no competition in this area sorry to say lads I enjoy windsurfing and used to windsurf myself some years back, but I have to say you fail in all areas
trying to compare jumping with a kite as apposed to jumping with a Sail Board.
Hehe I'm surprised at your lame rebuttal I expected something a little more constructive [}:)]

Try this website, has some good pointers.

www.roynbartholdi.com/

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Yea Yea haha, you know I'm right thats why you feel the need, the need to rebut but there is sadly no competition in this area sorry to say lads I enjoy windsurfing and used to windsurf myself some years back, but I have to say you fail in all areas
trying to compare jumping with a kite as apposed to jumping with a Sail Board.
Hehe I'm surprised at your lame rebuttal I expected something a little more constructive [}:)]

What's that jump called where the kiter goes right over the top of their kite? The kiting equivalent of when a windsurfer has their board directly above their sail with the mast pointing at the water - a true endo forward loop??

So, maybe not all areas..

And what's that jump where the kite strings end up firmly wedged into the headstrap buckle of a passing windsurfer, meaning both have to swim the whole lot into shore and untangle everything?

I'd like to know so I can educate myself on what the kiter that did it to me last Saturday was doing.

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nebbian said...

And what's that jump where the kite strings end up firmly wedged into the headstrap buckle of a passing windsurfer, meaning both have to swim the whole lot into shore and untangle everything?

I'd like to know so I can educate myself on what the kiter that did it to me last Saturday was doing.

Its called a hook knife[}:)]

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nebbian said...

And what's that jump where the kite strings end up firmly wedged into the headstrap buckle of a passing windsurfer, meaning both have to swim the whole lot into shore and untangle everything?

I'd like to know so I can educate myself on what the kiter that did it to me last Saturday was doing.

I think that move is called the "dickhead" (also I'm afraid due to the ongoing manufacturers upgrades over the last 5 years on kit we now have people doing the sport that would never have taken it up in the past due to it's difficuilty but now can with relative training pick up the sport alot easier, but the downfall is they have no board skills whatsoever as you don't need to edge and use your rail as much with Bow style kites, also no noddle it seems.

Hopefully you had words to the projectile???
Sounds like He , said Kiteboarder needs educated

SOme people should just flux-off to the appropriate forum instead of trying to stir up some shyte

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sailpilot said...

SOme people should just flux-off to the appropriate forum instead of trying to stir up some shyte

Try on a sense of humour mate you just might be able to squeeze into one if you ...........

find a ramp, line it up, and charge it hard [}:)]

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Flux said...

Try on a sense of humour mate you just might be able to squeeze into one if you

Note no response to 555's endo question.

Jumping vs. getting pulled into the sky are different things

But yeah, if all you wanted was to 'jump'/be pulled into the air and dangle down whilst playing with bars and circling, then you'd kite

Either way, were not here to convince you to windsurf, why the need to convice us to kite? Now go watch Robby Naish's RIP, you'll enjoy it regardless

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dism said...

Flux said...

Try on a sense of humour mate you just might be able to squeeze into one if you

Note no response to 555's endo question.

Jumping vs. getting pulled into the sky are different things

But yeah, if all you wanted was to 'jump'/be pulled into the air and dangle down whilst playing with bars and circling, then you'd kite

Either way, were not here to convince you to windsurf, why the need to convice us to kite? Now go watch Robby Naish's RIP, you'll enjoy it regardless

Endo you say ................


Anyway just having a laugh I'm sorry if your all offended I'd hate to see how you handle something with mild importance if a simple joke comment like "Get a kite" you find to be siht stirr geez please remove the carrots lads, cheer up haha

haha. I think we're just annoyed at idiots on the beach asking "have you tried kiting"?

Would you like "have you tried windsurfing" everytime you talk to randoms? (even how you could just say yes

We just need some media attention. Our shiny sails aren't being looked at, haha

As for the 'insane downloop' thats not a full endo, kite to side below him, plus when stacking and freefalling outta the sky to smash into the water isn't something you'd wanna claim, just like the triple (forward loop) hasn't been landed yet, its only an attempted jump till you pull off it + landing

Ha!

my two cents on jumping.

*Steep chop on flat water about 2 foot high or bigger..

*Easier if your heading upwind a little.

*As you go up the chop carve hard into the wind and pull up on your front foot.

*The wind should help the board lift, usually easier a bit over powered, or fully powered.

*Once your in the air pull your back foot under your bum and lean forward a little like you want to look down wind around the front of your sail. pushing your front foot foward and leg straight also helps, and pointing your toes will help get a bit of higher as you use the bottm of the board as a bit of a wing.

*Land going down wind a little.

*DON'T sheet in hard or sheet out to much or go stiff in your legs and push the out straight when you land, going stiff makes you spin out and crash..

*I jump still hooked in but the line falls out of my harness hook everytime because you tend to pull the rig closer to you when your controling your flight. And i can keep my speed up more still hooked in..

Good luck, jumping is very addictive the higher you go.[}:)]

Look up, or look forward and where you are going. Don't look at the board, don't look down.

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dism said...
Note no response to 555's endo question.

Endo you say ................

Not even close..

While there is no doubt that this particular downloop takes more skill than being pulled into the sky to dingle-dangle and look pretty like the gold chain on a jetski riders chest, at no point was the kite directly below the rider.

In a 2d still image it looks like it, but in reality, that kite is what.. 20m away from him?

No Carrots here.. except maybe the carrot on a stick that we're hanging in front of your nose.

Back on topic though.. I've been chop hopping for a while, but have only recently started jumping off waves.

The best thing I did to start with was to wait on the inside until someone I knew was a good jumper jibed to head back out, wait a few seconds and then waterstart and chase them out. I found it really good because you see exactly what they do, and when, and then about 10-15 seconds later you're presented with an opportunity to do the exact same thing in the same conditions.

After watching numerous videos about jumping which all talked about sheeting in, and rolling the board in the air to present the bottom of the board to the wind, I discovered that most of the guys who're just jumping waves on the way out because they're in the way and it's inevitable that air will be had, tend to just keep the same stance and sheeting angle, basically just sail off the ramp and don't change anything until just about to touch down again. Just before touchdown, spot the landing, and line the board up with the direction it's actually travelling relative to the water (not the direction it was heading before you left the water) which prevents spinout. This seems to be the fundamental 'jump' and the whole laying back, rolling the board to leeward thing is just about maximising height and distance and can be added in once you have the knack of that final lining up of the board.

I'm a believer in the philosophy that you just have to throw yourself at stuff like jumping and figure out the finesse elements as you go.

My first tabletop was a complete accident, I accidentally did 3/4 of a back loop last week, and completely stacked a stalled out cheeseroll from mast high the week before. None of those were intentional and none of them hurt (okay, I was a little winded after the cheeseroll but that passed).

My biggest tip is to hang on to your gear no matter what. Hitting the water, and then having your gear hit you from above is not fun in anyone's book. Equally, if you're coming down on top you have much less chance of bashing yourself on something hard if you're still holding on and moving at the same speed as the gear.