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How to determine the volume of my board

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Created by LongTimeAgo > 9 months ago, 20 Nov 2012
LongTimeAgo
NSW, 106 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:18PM
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I was thinking about updating my board but I guess I should find the volume of my existing one first (wouldn't be too happy buying the same volume again )

Any suggestions as to the best way to guesstimate it?



Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:26PM
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Too hard.

When we say volume what we really mean is "will it float me?". Same volume in litres as you bodyweight will float you just. Just. An expert could uphaul juuuust.

But there is also kinetic bouyancy, where as soon as something moves it feels more stable. A wider board is better in that regard, thus why newer boards are so much better. Plus newer boards are more floaty due to weighing less and having styro not PU foam and all sorts of things.

That is so far away from the feel of a newer board that thinking about the volume of the old board is possibly irrelevant.

Tell us what you weigh, your sailing level and where and you will get plenty of suggestions.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:29PM
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Get a large pan with curved edges that can hold about 120 litres. Put a large bathtub in the pan. Fill the bathtub up with water to the brim. Push the board into the water. Collect and measure the amount of water displaced. Subtract the volume of your arms from total.

Otherwise accept you cannot compare this board to modern boards. The volume of your board, whatever it is, is of little relevance.

Other aspects like where the mast track and footstraps are located are more important. What I am trying to say if there is a modern board of the same volume as yours, it will be very different and probably much better to windsurf.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:33PM
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It should be measured in old school volume, so subtract whatever it weighs from the new school volume. This is how the shapers of the time measured boards.*

*I pieced that info together from old suger packets and seabreeze threads.

legless
SA, 852 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:03PM
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Fill a big bucket with water mark a line on the side of the bucket were the water level come to. Submerge the board completely in the water. Mark on the side of the bucket the new water level. You now have the volume of water the board displaces which would be equal to the volume of the board.

Only problem is you need a big bucket!

Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:06PM
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Length x width x height as per volume. remove 30%

barn
WA, 2960 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:38PM
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legless said...
Fill a big bucket with water mark a line on the side of the bucket were the water level come to. Submerge the board completely in the water. Mark on the side of the bucket the new water level. You now have the volume of water the board displaces which would be equal to the volume of the board.

Only problem is you need a big bucket!


That wouldn't be accurate at all. It would be like trying to measure an extra 10ml in a regular beaker.

Carantoc
WA, 7194 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:45PM
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Go inside and get the bread knife.

Cut the board up into 1cm x 1cm x 1cm blocks.

Count all the blocks.

Divide the answer by 1,000 to get the number of litres.

If the last block can't be cut into 1cm x 1cm x 1cm then cut it into 1mm x 1mm x 1mm blocks, count these and divide by 1,000 to get an equivalent 1cm x 1cm x 1cm block.

Keep going until you reach the level of accuracy you are after.

(remember to number the blocks so you know where they go if you want to re-assemble it)

jermaldan
VIC, 1572 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:46PM
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I think the best way would be to use something like boardcad or akushaper and recreate the dimentions. You should get something relitively close.

legless
SA, 852 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:16PM
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barn said...
legless said...
Fill a big bucket with water mark a line on the side of the bucket were the water level come to. Submerge the board completely in the water. Mark on the side of the bucket the new water level. You now have the volume of water the board displaces which would be equal to the volume of the board.

Only problem is you need a big bucket!


That wouldn't be accurate at all. It would be like trying to measure a an extra 10ml in a regular beaker.



It is how they do for real I and it is very accurate.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:49PM
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Wouldn't a professional board building company use some sort of 3D scanning machine to measure volume?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
20 Nov 2012 2:54PM
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legless said...
barn said...
legless said...
Fill a big bucket with water mark a line on the side of the bucket were the water level come to. Submerge the board completely in the water. Mark on the side of the bucket the new water level. You now have the volume of water the board displaces which would be equal to the volume of the board.

Only problem is you need a big bucket!


That wouldn't be accurate at all. It would be like trying to measure a an extra 10ml in a regular beaker.



It is how they do for real I and it is very accurate.


I know that's how some do it. Add 5 litres to a bucket big enough for a board to fit inside and the human eye couldn't accurately read this of a marking on the side.

That's why beakers are useless for any accurate chemistry.

legless
SA, 852 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:31PM
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barn said...
legless said...
barn said...
legless said...
Fill a big bucket with water mark a line on the side of the bucket were the water level come to. Submerge the board completely in the water. Mark on the side of the bucket the new water level. You now have the volume of water the board displaces which would be equal to the volume of the board.

Only problem is you need a big bucket!


That wouldn't be accurate at all. It would be like trying to measure a an extra 10ml in a regular beaker.



It is how they do for real I and it is very accurate.


I know that's how some do it. Add 5 litres to a bucket big enough for a board to fit inside and the human eye couldn't accurately read this of a marking on the side.

That's why beakers are useless for any accurate chemistry.



Who said anything about the human eye!? In addition we are talking 80 liters plus slightly different from a chemistry beaker.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
20 Nov 2012 3:15PM
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So they use a robot to mark the line?

Do the maths, how big is the bucket they use, then put an 80l board in it, then an 85l board in it. How much higher is the water mark for the 85l?

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
20 Nov 2012 3:20PM
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Archimedes had it figured out ages ago.

Fill the container till it overflows.

Then put the board in and submerge it, capturing all the water that overflows as you're putting the board in.

Now you can measure or weigh the water that was displaced.

legless
SA, 852 posts
20 Nov 2012 5:52PM
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barn said...
So they use a robot to mark the line?

Do the maths, how big is the bucket they use, then put an 80l board in it, then an 85l board in it. How much higher is the water mark for the 85l?




if it is a narrow cylindrical bucket 5l will be a noticeable difference. On a cylinder with a diameter of 70cm the water level would go up by 1.5cm

barn
WA, 2960 posts
20 Nov 2012 3:29PM
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^Assume they need to measure formula boards too, and raceboards?

Is there a 3m vertical, metre wide beaker?

legless
SA, 852 posts
20 Nov 2012 6:08PM
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barn said...
^Assume they need to measure formula boards too, and raceboards?

Is there a 3m vertical, metre wide beaker?



Yes why not.......you better make it 4m as raceboards tend to be 3.8m long.

You seem to have a hang up with the word beaker.....I never said beaker.

legless
SA, 852 posts
20 Nov 2012 6:08PM
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barn said...
^Assume they need to measure formula boards too, and raceboards?

Is there a 3m vertical, metre wide beaker?



Yes why not.......you better make it 4m as raceboards tend to be 3.8m long.

You seem to have a hang up with the word beaker.....I never said beaker.

r2908
NSW, 214 posts
20 Nov 2012 7:48PM
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Post some dimensions and ill try and work it out .. ??

LongTimeAgo
NSW, 106 posts
20 Nov 2012 8:20PM
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Thanks for the advice guys (even an offer to work it out r2908). Maybe I should just try some newer boards on the water. Local guy offered me just that (thanks Philip ).

What spurred me into updating the board was last week I was sailing at Lake Illawarra entrance and the tide was going out like the clappers. Wind died and I dropped the rig into the water & couldn't uphaul it . So here's me sittin on the board heading out the entrance - problem ahead was where the ocean met the outgoing tide the water looked very angry (maybe sucking the rig & me under). Managed to get to the breakwater rocks before that but foot got cut & bruised from whatever creatures live on those rocks.

Anyway I decided
- to get a board with a bit more volume
OR
- don't sail at the entrance on the OUTGOING tide . If I do, just make sure I have a valid VISA for New Zealand

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
20 Nov 2012 8:25PM
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How is sailing the entrance at Windang/Warilla? I used to windsurf there in the mid 90s and it was pretty good. There was the concrete wall on one side and sand on the other. In a southerly you could sail out of the entrance into the ocean to the north of Windang Island.

In a NE seabreeze sail off Warilla Beach or in the entrance.

Now there are bloody huge break walls and it doesn't look that windsurfer friendly.

LongTimeAgo
NSW, 106 posts
20 Nov 2012 8:36PM
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terminal
1421 posts
20 Nov 2012 6:30PM
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Your question seems like it should be

"What volume of board should I get?"

Just try different boards until you find one that's right.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
20 Nov 2012 7:59PM
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barn said...
^Assume they need to measure formula boards too, and raceboards?

Is there a 3m vertical, metre wide beaker?


Will it fit in a wheelie bin? measure half at a time if it does? catching the displaced water will be hard so measure what it takes to refill it?

mathew
QLD, 2142 posts
20 Nov 2012 11:11PM
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24 posts and not a single easy solution... FFS! (ignoring the best answer of "just test them"...)

1. Take board, put in calm water
2. Put some weight onto board until is just sinks.

weight ~ volume

* assuming metric system... and you can take into account the the salt in the water if you really care.

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
20 Nov 2012 9:17PM
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Another thread where everyone is right


Barn is right that the water level rise in a container large enough for a horizontal board, is stuff all and you'd struggle to be accurate.

Legless is right that in a vertical container it would be a piece of cake.

I think a couple of us said that it is irrelevant as modern boards are better in so many ways.

But it took a kiter to suggest half the board at a time in a wheelie bin ....... which would be so damn easy. Shut up, Chris.

racerX
463 posts
20 Nov 2012 9:19PM
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An experienced windsurfer could give you a good estimate, just by standing on it, in the water, with rig.

choco
SA, 4177 posts
20 Nov 2012 11:54PM
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Sit the board in a pool and add gym weights on to
the deck until the board is below the water surface
work out how much weight you used times it by something devide it by something add and subtract just for the hell of it and you'll be more confused than ever.f
One litre of water = 1kg

decrepit
WA, 12802 posts
20 Nov 2012 9:30PM
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mathew said...
24 posts and not a single easy solution... FFS! (ignoring the best answer of "just test them"...)

1. Take board, put in calm water
2. Put some weight onto board until is just sinks.

weight ~ volume

* assuming metric system... and you can take into account the the salt in the water if you really care.


Why on earth did this get red thumbed??????

The only change I would make, is that "~" with an old heavy board the difference could be above 10%.
if you only use added weight in the calculation. If you include board weight, the only inaccuracy is water density, more float in salt water than fresh.

Same with Mark's "volume same as your weight will just float you". It's total weight of board rig and rider that floats you.

arancini
WA, 373 posts
20 Nov 2012 9:37PM
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I cant belive how shiny and new that board looks for its age. It dosent look used to me, must be really slippery when wet!



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