I know the answer is going to be "It depends"

I've got a board that is a few months old and has had two professional nose repairs done ( thanks to my catapulting brother). They were both really good 10-15 cm wide caving down of the nose where the mast hit.

It's a slalom board and has come up looking sweet but I am thinking about getting a different board for both progression, wanting a more alround free ride board, and the fact that this board seems quite fragile.

I paid around $1500 and it's a 2011 model. If it's been repaired professionally what would be a reasonable reduction in price for it considering it's had those repairs?

What sort of board is it and how much do you think its worth undamaged? Probably how much a repair knocks value off a board depends on a bunch of things as you said. To me I don't mind buying repaired second hand boards. Both of my Tabou Rockets were damaged before I bought them. One I had repaired myself. I guess I got a $600 discount on it after adding up the cost of repairs and the purchase price. The other was repaired prior to buying it. I guess I got around a $300 discount on it.

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Mobydisc said..

What sort of board is it and how much do you think its worth undamaged? Probably how much a repair knocks value off a board depends on a bunch of things as you said. To me I don't mind buying repaired second hand boards. Both of my Tabou Rockets were damaged before I bought them. One I had repaired myself. I guess I got a $600 discount on it after adding up the cost of repairs and the purchase price. The other was repaired prior to buying it. I guess I got around a $300 discount on it.

Hey Moby - so you reckon about $300 ish dollars off what a non-repaired second hand board would be. So if it was pristine it would be say $1000 but around $7-800 would be about what you would consider a fair discount due to the repair aspect?

The boards I got had more serious damage than just a cracked nose. Perhaps $200 discount for a board with a repaired nose and $300 without it being repaired.

Anyway it all depends on how much someone is prepared to spend.

I'm heading up to the Nambucca this Christmas, perhaps we could meet up for a sail somewhere like Urunga in the river or something like that. You could have a go on one of my Rockets to see what its like as its a more freeridey board.

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Mobydisc said..

The boards I got had more serious damage than just a cracked nose. Perhaps $200 discount for a board with a repaired nose and $300 without it being repaired.

Anyway it all depends on how much someone is prepared to spend.

I'm heading up to the Nambucca this Christmas, perhaps we could meet up for a sail somewhere like Urunga in the river or something like that. You could have a go on one of my Rockets to see what its like as its a more freeridey board.

You betchya! That would be fantastic. The rocket and X-cite ride are two models I have in mind.

100%. I have a real problem selling a board that has been damaged/repaired. Even with many of the professional repairs I have had done they can crack/weaken. I know mark does his own and is fantastic but most repairers don't go to the level needed.

This I don't sell repaired boards as I would hate to inherit one - or two. As I did buy one from someone who did same to me. It actually opened up on a sail yesterday without any stacks. Won't name board or brand as they are a SB member

Most 'professional' jobs are good at hiding the damage by applying filler, sanding and repainting, but don't do anything else and I cannot blame someone that charges around $100 and needs to make a profit. They can not possibly spend the time to reapply layers of glass to reinforce an area that was weak in the beginning, but that is what needs to be done once you have a crack.

Dunno what you blokes are putting up with over east, but here a professional repair means glassed and filled properly, not just bog with a pretty paint job.
Usually better than the factory construction.

Well as I always say if you want something done properly you have to do it yourself

or have it done by Mark

I'm not sure I agree with Powersloshin's experience. In the early days of learning to sail, other friends used to get their boards professionally repaired, and they would be repaired properly, and look good. Unfortunately, at that stage when you are hitting the nose with your mast, even a professional repair is still going to break the same way that the original would. A few friends were complaining that the repairs would always reappear at the same place and wondered why they weren't made stronger than original.

Even then, I was doing my own bodgy repairs that looked ugly but had probably another 3 layers of glass on the nose. The nose on my board didn't crack much after that, even if it didn't look pretty.

My advice on this is, repair the board and make it strong. Get a nice repair and paint job done if you want to sell it.

Just to ramble on some more, I thought it was funny when I asked for some more footstrap inserts to be put into a board I have, and it came back looking pretty, but with only two extra footstrap holes. A year later when I got frustrated with it and did it myself, it had another 5 holes on each footstrap position, and was perfect I guess the repairer didn't realise that I prefer functional over pretty.

The guy we use to repair our boards, other than being much richer in the last 6 months, has reinforced the area of the repair; twice. The second catapult hit the exact same spot and there was markedly less less destruction wrought. After the second repair he said he had reinforced it further, and I also got myself one of those stick on nose shock absorbing foam protector things.

The comment he made about the construction was that the carbon ran in strips and was not crossed weaved, so the damage tended to split along in straight line of the carbon strip.

I accept that the board is manufactured to be really light and as a consumer I understand there are trade offs made. In hindsight this is not the board an intermediate sailor should have purchased. Attempting and practicing planing gybes on a fragile board is asking for trouble. I forgot to mention that I punctured the deck with my harness hook with my clumsy initial attempts at hauling myself onto the board. I think I have had $3-400 of repairs done now :)

Lesson learned.

there are so many boards coming out of the factory with bog on them already from dodgy moulding and everyone still pays full price for them.

A nose repair should not devalue the board much at all unless its very noticeable, if it has been snapped in half, a cracked rail, smashed onto a reef, fin or deck boxes ripped out, anything structural, then it should be devalued some of the prices you guys are talking, the main concern would be if the board is heavier than it should be.

If I had a used board for sale at a decent price and someone wanted a $300 discount because it has a professional repair somewhere on it from a minor injury I would probably laugh at them and ask them to leave..

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P.C_simpson said..

there are so many boards coming out of the factory with bog on them already from dodgy moulding and everyone still pays full price for them.

A nose repair should not devalue the board much at all unless its very noticeable, if it has been snapped in half, a cracked rail, smashed onto a reef, fin or deck boxes ripped out, anything structural, then it should be devalued some of the prices you guys are talking, the main concern would be if the board is heavier than it should be.

If I had a used board for sale at a decent price and someone wanted a $300 discount because it has a professional repair somewhere on it from a minor injury I would probably laugh at them and ask them to leave..

Exactly, so many people are stressing about a reparation, I bought a Fa skate a couple of years ago and it had a repaired nose. It seemed very well repaired and I didn't have any problems with it. I sold it in very good condition this year with 1/6 loss on the value, form my purchase price. It is important that the board didn't "drink" and that the most crucial parts are intact. I rather pay for a board for which I know it was damaged, than someone telling me it wasn't but in the end we find out it was repaired and with a perfectly restored surface color...happened to my mate, who bought a board that had damaged bottom from being smashed on some rocks and then repaired only with a car repair kit without PVC foam and no glassing or carbon over it...just kit and paint... in 3 months use it was 3kg heavier.

Should board repairs be painted? I know that matching colours and painting prep take a lot of time and suspect this is why repairs can cost. Personally think that repairs should be left unpainted to show quality of repair and also a mark of the history of abuse/cool stories. Seem to remember a thread recently about a seller not declaring repairs, this could be the solution..