Hi, I've been practicing my jumps but I can only get about 1 meter high while I've seen others make 2 meter+ high jumps at the same spot...
(The spot is Boracay which is mostly chop, no breaking waves).

I really wonder, how can I get to those 2 meter+ jumps that I see some others doing?
What are those other surfers likely doing different that gives them that extra height?

I'd really like to learn how to jump high like that also...

P.S. The board I'm using is a Mistral Classic 278 (9' 1'') 104L (oldie from 1999).
I know it's not ideal for jumping but I assume it's not the crippling factor.

Timing. Above all else.

40 knots will do the trick

Hoverboard

combine all 3 of the above

Timing, 40knots and a hoverboard!




on a srs note get as much speed as possible, and before you jump make you you got that "powered up" feeling in your sail

Throw the rig UP with your front hand. Trying to find a decent Youtube of it to demonstrate but failing.

EDIT: 2:10 on here should give you an idea. Admittedly he's looping, but you get the idea.

may be you sail that spot on tack that is "not right" for you.
i can pull a nice high floating jump off sailing on starboard no problemo.
but i am hopeless on port. no matter how good conditions are, my jumps are pathetic.
footedness is to blame so i was told. i am goofy.

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neilpete said...

40 knots will do the trick

So long as you have a sail small enough to be in control..

Just before you jump, you need to be at maximum speed, as well as being able to hit the wave/chop at the steepest section.

You can do this by spotting your piece of wave/chop ahead of you, then bear away slightly so as to maximise speed and then at the last second head upwind to hit the wave/chop at full speed.

Then pull up with all four corners (i.e. both arms and legs) and make sure the board is tilted/angled to expose the bottom of the board to the wind so that it gives you some extra lift.

Cheers

PS: Here's an example of how much air you can get off wind chop in extreme conditions

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sboardcrazy said...

neilpete said...

40 knots will do the trick

So long as you have a sail small enough to be in control..

I should be able to handle it well since I have got lots of sails and the experience.
I never get 40 knots anymore lately.

But it is not a matter of just a lot of wind that brings the pleasure. With my 9,5m sail and slalom gear I will enjoy light winds just the same. And that my dear is all what is windsurfing about.

But I am getting off topic now, this bloke above wants to jump higher. The gear you are using is old. Old means heavy. If you would be using lighter gear that would make jumping easier for you. Practising is the magic word. A hundred people can tell you how to jump higher. You need to get a certain feeling. If the feeling is not there it is not gonna happen.
My advise is just to go out there with your old gear, look for a steep ramp and just go for it. It doesn't matter how high you can jump. Remember one thing; Don't forget to have fun.

12m kite should get you above 2 meters

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hamburglar said...
12m kite should get you above 2 meters

From what I've seen anyone on a kite can do that, can't require too much skill.

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hamburglar said...
12m kite should get you above 2 meters

He wants to prove his skills in the harder sport, not simply change to the easier sport for instant gratification and less fulfillment.

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hamburglar said...
12m kite should get you above 2 meters

What, gas or water meters?

Thanks for all the tips. @albers. I really like that video you posted, it looks like he's floating a lot downwind when he jumps, interesting to watch...

You know I actually don't know how high I jump exactly cause I never look down (my focus is on the jump and landing), I just ask my girlfriend, but I think my jumps are about 2 seconds of air time. I just counted the air times in that dale cook video and those are max 4 seconds, hmmm...

Anyway, I'll just keep practicing and practicing and keep all those tips in mind to get higher and higher

P.S. if any of you ever come to Boracay you can pm and I can give you some tips, I live there.

That vid was awesome! Agree with albers comments, here's an old photo of how I angle the board slightly. I've also don't a last minute upwind adjustment to ramp off the chop and kind off wall ride across the wind until I'm facing downwind again (providing there's enough wind to really get under the board)

Having said that I've never pulled anything off anything near like what that guy was doing in the vid... and I can only pull em goofy foot.

one more tip: open (depower) the sail just as you hit the ramp. If the sail is powered up and providing downforce when you hit the ramp then you'll retard your jumping force and you'll squash the ramp flat

of course the wavier the sail the more "depowerable" it'll be.

Also turning the sail horizontal so its like a hang glider wing and gives you positive lift

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steveBayside said...
one more tip: open (depower) the sail just as you hit the ramp. If the sail is powered up and providing downforce when you hit the ramp then you'll retard your jumping force and you'll squash the ramp flat

of course the wavier the sail the more "depowerable" it'll be.

Also turning the sail horizontal so its like a hang glider wing and gives you positive lift

Good tip..I think that might be what I'm doing wrong..now just to get fit enough to practise!

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steveBayside said...
one more tip: open (depower) the sail just as you hit the ramp. If the sail is powered up and providing downforce when you hit the ramp then you'll retard your jumping force and you'll squash the ramp flat

Aren't you supposed to sheet in when jumping?

What I do when im almost at the ramp is fist throw my body forward a bit effectively sheeting out a bit also, then I sheet back in hard while loading the tail when I ride up the ramp and pull my front leg up and then at liftoff my blackleg also and I'm airborne.

P.S. found a really nice article about jumping, it covers jumping from beginning to advanced: http://www.iwavesolutions.com/lefebvre/Windsurfing/Articles/airtime.html

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sboardcrazy said...

steveBayside said...
one more tip: open (depower) the sail just as you hit the ramp. If the sail is powered up and providing downforce when you hit the ramp then you'll retard your jumping force and you'll squash the ramp flat

of course the wavier the sail the more "depowerable" it'll be.

Also turning the sail horizontal so its like a hang glider wing and gives you positive lift

Good tip..I think that might be what I'm doing wrong..now just to get fit enough to practise!

No, no, no, S board lady…..you are doing it the other way round.
You don't have to get fit enough to practise…
...You practice to keep fit.


There you go, …another free tip.

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neilpete said...

sboardcrazy said...

steveBayside said...
one more tip: open (depower) the sail just as you hit the ramp. If the sail is powered up and providing downforce when you hit the ramp then you'll retard your jumping force and you'll squash the ramp flat

of course the wavier the sail the more "depowerable" it'll be.

Also turning the sail horizontal so its like a hang glider wing and gives you positive lift

Good tip..I think that might be what I'm doing wrong..now just to get fit enough to practise!

No, no, no, S board lady…..you are doing it the other way round.
You don't have to get fit enough to practise…
...You practice to keep fit.


There you go, …another free tip.

I find if it's choppy enough to get decent jumps I'm often overpowered and too to try..

Yep I practise to keep fit enough to sail and so my neck can handle it..I think if I didn't have such a crappy upper back problem I'd probably not sail anywhere near as much as I do..Ill even go out subplaning to keep the body 'fit'..Now if I lived on the lake and could get out everyday..

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JanPaul999 said...

steveBayside said...
one more tip: open (depower) the sail just as you hit the ramp. If the sail is powered up and providing downforce when you hit the ramp then you'll retard your jumping force and you'll squash the ramp flat

Aren't you supposed to sheet in when jumping?

What I do when im almost at the ramp is fist throw my body forward a bit effectively sheeting out a bit also, then I sheet back in hard while loading the tail when I ride up the ramp and pull my front leg up and then at liftoff my blackleg also and I'm airborne.

P.S. found a really nice article about jumping, it covers jumping from beginning to advanced: http://www.iwavesolutions.com/lefebvre/Windsurfing/Articles/airtime.html

Now I'm confused..

After watching the Dale Cook video a few times, I think that you:

a) Sheet in on the way up, so as to keep the power in the sail to get more height
b) Sheet out on the way down, so as to slow the descent and get more air time and end up further downwind when you land

I don't know what I do personally, because I've never seen myself jump

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albers said...

hamburglar said...
12m kite should get you above 2 meters

What, gas or water meters?

Mmmm the first one

Off the dial

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albers said...
After watching the Dale Cook video a few times, I think that you:

a) Sheet in on the way up, so as to keep the power in the sail to get more height
b) Sheet out on the way down, so as to slow the descent and get more air time and end up further downwind when you land

I don't know what I do personally, because I've never seen myself jump

Yeah I guess a lot of it comes down to just practicing and finding out what works by feeling, but I just had a really good look at that dale cook video also. I played that vid and some other jump vinds of him in slow motion... And the main thing I noticed is that in a lot of his jumps he steers his sail (only slightly) just as you would when just initiating a gybe and going downwind, he does that just before he jumps. I can imagine that that gives him that extra boost at liftoff really taking him high.

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JanPaul999 said...

albers said...
After watching the Dale Cook video a few times, I think that you:

a) Sheet in on the way up, so as to keep the power in the sail to get more height
b) Sheet out on the way down, so as to slow the descent and get more air time and end up further downwind when you land

I don't know what I do personally, because I've never seen myself jump

Yeah I guess a lot of it comes down to just practicing and finding out what works by feeling, but I just had a really good look at that dale cook video also. I played that vid and some other jump vinds of him in slow motion... And the main thing I noticed is that in a lot of his jumps he steers his sail (only slightly) just as you would when just initiating a gybe and going downwind, he does that just before he jumps. I can imagine that that gives him that extra boost at liftoff really taking him high.

In regards to sheeting in and out, it looks like he sheets in and then sheets out but for that split second just before takeoff you preload, bend your ankles and knees stand out straight on your board, pop up with the wave, THEN it's a progressive sheeting in motion from takeoff through to mid air, if you do get some height if you sheet out you drop instantly, UNLESS you feel you start getting pulled forward; then you sheet out to the max, then landings will be your next seabreeze topic, it's simple don't land flat!!!!

the only way to get higher easily is a steep head on ramp, even if it's only knee high if it's coming at ya and it's steep you will feel how much pop a steep wave can have....

Remember you will only jump as good as then chop/wave, so choose wisely..... Oh and loads of speed, not Mach 1 so you can barely sail but as fast as the conditions allow

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You need to start from the base and slowly move towards top.
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