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Gybe and Tack Success Rate?

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Created by PhilSWR > 9 months ago, 26 Oct 2012
Waiting4wind

Waiting4wind

NSW, 1871 posts
27 Oct 2012 12:36PM
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My problem is consistency. i can do a whole seesion in flattish water and stay dry, but on a bad hair day it can be a different story.

sboardcrazy

sboardcrazy

NSW, 8292 posts
27 Oct 2012 6:08PM
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Waiting4wind said...
My problem is consistency. i can do a whole seesion in flattish water and stay dry, but on a bad hair day it can be a different story.


Yep.. And my planing ones probably aren't as smooth as the pros..I watch some of the regular hotshots and they fly in & out seamlessly..That's what i'm aiming for..

jn1

jn1

SA, 2683 posts
28 Oct 2012 10:39AM
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Waiting4wind said...
but on a bad hair day it can be a different story.

Yeah, I had bad hair day yesterday's session. Oh well. It's all good fun

PhilSWR

PhilSWR

NSW, 1104 posts
28 Oct 2012 11:35AM
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jn1 said...
Good to see you progressing Phil. I too think you are making leaps and bounds. To answer your question, I've been sailing since October 2008, I consider myself an average sailor.

At my local in summer (choppy seabreeze conditions), good conditions:
small gear: 100% gybe, 10% tacks, 90% step gybe, 10% strap-strap.. no planing exits, but do get a bit of exit speed by gybing on a swell/chop
big gear: 100% gybe, 100% tacks

Winter (flat water, gusty winds):
big gear: 10% planing exits, 90% non plaining (all step gybes)

A few notes (my experience):

when over powered, gybes are the first thing to go (so bulk water starts when O/P)

tacks: on my 100L freeride board (and bigger) 100%. On my 95L FSW and 85L FSW, about 20% success rate. Tacks for me is a big board turn, where as gybes are a small board turn.

Location is dependant on your success. Go to a different spot, then it's a new learning process.



Interesting to note the dramatic success decline going down only a few litres from a freeride board to a FSW -assuming I read correctly? I basically only ride my 101 ltr FSW- flat water and surf. I'm kinda trying to get it dialed in so I'm comfortable doing most of the basics. Then I'll down-size to my 85 litr board.

As for bad hair days, had a bit of one yesterday. 10-14 knots, 6 metre freeride sail-could barely plan most of the time, and when I did get a run I was quick to try and make a gybe. Made 50 percent (both tacks), so not utter failure but still sucks ended up in the drink half the time. Tacked mainly due to lack of wind, no probs 100 percent most outings- ocean or lake- unless I'm total stuffed at the end of a long session.

Tried some new stuff yesterday- up-wind 360's and heli tacks (non planing). Both failed But I ain't bet yet! Round two this arvo

seanhogan

seanhogan

QLD, 3424 posts
28 Oct 2012 11:09AM
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This topic (thanks Phil!) got me thinking I should try and improve my ratio.

So yesterday after sailing a couple of hours I then moved to the flat section of the bay to practice my racing gybes....
50 m run/gybe/50m/gybe and so on, 20 minutes of that and I could barely breathe and my arms were so sore........
Did nail a couple of decent ones, but boy it was painful !!

PhilSWR

PhilSWR

NSW, 1104 posts
28 Oct 2012 2:48PM
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seanhogan said...
This topic (thanks Phil!) got me thinking I should try and improve my ratio.

So yesterday after sailing a couple of hours I then moved to the flat section of the bay to practice my racing gybes....
50 m run/gybe/50m/gybe and so on, 20 minutes of that and I could barely breathe and my arms were so sore........
Did nail a couple of decent ones, but boy it was painful !!


Good one! Think of it this way, you tuned up some muscles and improved ya fitness some more, so next time you may find it a little less draining. That's my theory that makes me feel better when I struggle during my gybe practice.

Just spent 2 hours in the shallows today. Started off with the plan to work on gybes, heli tacks and up-wind 360's but soon got distracted by the waist high lines rolling off the point. Yep, two hours of cross-offshore wave tearing- gotta love the waves! I'll have to catch up my homework another day

sboardcrazy

sboardcrazy

NSW, 8292 posts
28 Oct 2012 6:06PM
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Canton is great because you don't even notice when you come off as you can just stand up in knee deep water and beach start. I did some gybes for a camera on a pole in the water one time. Short runs c 16 of them boy I was buggered.
Off Coal pt I tend to get slack as the runs are long and the flattest water to gybe is at the ends so you tend to do long runs with not many gybes.. I'll have to push myself to gybe in the choppy gusty areas with shorter runs..
Ps - my good success rate for gybes is with my 95ltre board + 5m - 3.8m sails.. I'm not much good with my 78ltre as I haven't had many hours sailing on it.

jasonc

jasonc

WA, 41 posts
28 Oct 2012 5:11PM
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Gybes in normal conditions- starboard-port usually 90% planing
port-starboard 50% planing

PhilSWR

PhilSWR

NSW, 1104 posts
28 Oct 2012 9:01PM
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sboardcrazy said...
Canton is great because you don't even notice when you come off as you can just stand up in knee deep water and beach start. I did some gybes for a camera on a pole in the water one time. Short runs c 16 of them boy I was buggered.
Off Coal pt I tend to get slack as the runs are long and the flattest water to gybe is at the ends so you tend to do long runs with not many gybes.. I'll have to push myself to gybe in the choppy gusty areas with shorter runs..
Ps - my good success rate for gybes is with my 95ltre board + 5m - 3.8m sails.. I'm not much good with my 78ltre as I haven't had many hours sailing on it.


So keen to try Canton Beach. I grew up there (well, Toukley), prawned the lakes as a kid, and lived right on the waters edge. Now windsurfing has given me a whole new view on the lake systems. Will hit it this summer for sure. Bath warm shallows and pelican itch....nothing's changed right?

PhilSWR

PhilSWR

NSW, 1104 posts
28 Oct 2012 9:05PM
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jasonc said...
Gybes in normal conditions- starboard-port usually 90% planing
port-starboard 50% planing


Yes, the old dominant side thingy... My starboard side just feels horrible and unatural... success is 40 percent at best- and I'm talking a survival gybe, just getting around and still up-right.

evlPanda

evlPanda

NSW, 9207 posts
28 Oct 2012 9:24PM
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Harrow said...
I'd been putting it off with gybes and doing long runs, when I should have been doing short runs and getting twice as many gybe attempts in. Last season I dedicate myself to committing to gybes and doubled my success rate. This year I plan to do the same with lots more shorter runs.


Ahhh... learning in a sandbank riddled stretch of water where the average run is 300m has actually paid off for me. 5 years and 75%+ on flatish water. Planing out very often on starboard to port, but none the other way so far.

Short runs people. Short runs. Hell, KFC (southport) is basically a figure 8. You probably do 80 gybes/hour there!

I think I need just the one board to get tacks down. Feel very different on both my old boards and I always sink the nose on one of them.

A well executed gybe can be really, really satisfying.

sboardcrazy

sboardcrazy

NSW, 8292 posts
28 Oct 2012 9:53PM
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PhilSWR said...


sboardcrazy said...
Canton is great because you don't even notice when you come off as you can just stand up in knee deep water and beach start. I did some gybes for a camera on a pole in the water one time. Short runs c 16 of them boy I was buggered.
Off Coal pt I tend to get slack as the runs are long and the flattest water to gybe is at the ends so you tend to do long runs with not many gybes.. I'll have to push myself to gybe in the choppy gusty areas with shorter runs..
Ps - my good success rate for gybes is with my 95ltre board + 5m - 3.8m sails.. I'm not much good with my 78ltre as I haven't had many hours sailing on it.


So keen to try Canton Beach. I grew up there (well, Toukley), prawned the lakes as a kid, and lived right on the waters edge. Now windsurfing has given me a whole new view on the lake systems. Will hit it this summer for sure. Bath warm shallows and pelican itch....nothing's changed right?


Weeds a bit thick at the moment ..need a bit of rain to raise the lake level. You can avoid it but need to stay out further and a smaller fin is better..Anyone want to buy a 18cm weedie..? Budgewoi at Peel st is good especially in a NE still need a weedie but deeper ..flat for speed.

sboardcrazy

sboardcrazy

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28 Oct 2012 9:56PM
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evlPanda said...
Harrow said...
I'd been putting it off with gybes and doing long runs, when I should have been doing short runs and getting twice as many gybe attempts in. Last season I dedicate myself to committing to gybes and doubled my success rate. This year I plan to do the same with lots more shorter runs.


Ahhh... learning in a sandbank riddled stretch of water where the average run is 300m has actually paid off for me. 5 years and 75%+ on flatish water. Planing out very often on starboard to port, but none the other way so far.

Short runs people. Short runs. Hell, KFC (southport) is basically a figure 8. You probably do 80 gybes/hour there!

I think I need just the one board to get tacks down. Feel very different on both my old boards and I always sink the nose on one of them.

A well executed gybe can be really, really satisfying.




Don't know about well executed but a fast planing one keeps a grin on my face and hoping for another keeps me going on those bad hair days..Just wish i could do one for the camera.. I actually pulled one off after 15 attempts when Rus had his camera out on a buoy & we were gybing in front of it.I was stoked! And then found out the b thing had been changed to shoot gybes going around the outside of it rather than how I was gybing in front of it..[}:)][}:)]So I still didn't get one on camera..

jn1

jn1

SA, 2683 posts
28 Oct 2012 11:58PM
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PhilSWR said...
Interesting to note the dramatic success decline going down only a few litres from a freeride board to a FSW -assuming I read correctly?

Yeah, that's a good question (ie: 5L difference). Not sure. I know that tacks have to be lightening quick on small gear. When I get tired, over powered, conditions not right, the board stops moving, they are less reliable. Bigger gear, things can happen much slower, conditions are easier (lighter wind), so much more forgiving.

jsnfok

jsnfok

WA, 899 posts
28 Oct 2012 9:47PM
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ive been sailing for a few years now and ill make 99% of my gybes and tacks, but you gotta put effort into making them as well, plus i used to race, and its all in the corners

however gybes arent the only way to go around corners, spock 540s, kono, etc for those its a bout 10% for me


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