During yesterday's session I noticed my 7.8 had the same problem as my 7.1 with the creased batten pocket.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Broken-Batten-5?page=1

Anyways after the session I pulled the batten and sure enought the tip was broken. However, this time the very end of the tip stayed inside the batten. Any suggestions on how to remove it? I can see the batten tip through a little hole in the pocket of the sail that goes into the camber.

Can't you get at it with needle nose pliers ?

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Imax1 said..
Can't you get at it with needle nose pliers ?

I guess I can

Good to hear, and if you do not have a batten sleeve with a hole in the end, hold the batten sleeve upright and while using one hand to compress the batten sleeve into a circle shake the sail and let gravity do its thing as you keep compressing new sections of the batten sleeve as the tip falls down the sleeve. Can also pinch broken tip and then push sleeve towards pinched tip crunching up sleeve to batten tip, then pinch tip in crunched up sleeve and let sleeve relax, repeat slowly working tip down the sleeve. Can use both techniques together one after the other, that is what I had to do to get a plastic batten tip out of the sleeve after I pulled out the rod.

Just wondering if you pop the camms off the mast by hand when derigging , or let them pop off by themselves ?

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Imax1 said..
Just wondering if you pop the camms off the mast by hand when derigging , or let them pop off by themselves ?

its mostly popping them off by hand. Getting them on is quite a struggle. Looks like i have been underdownhauling my race sails quite a bit until recently

Underhauling race sails is a bad thing . Adjust to what the sail looks like , not numbers , they can be out . The crease in the upper panel can go two thirds across to the mast and more . And then rig a size bigger than you normally would.
Popping on camms shouldn't be hard . There is a system , slightly different with different sails .
Pull sail down to about 10 cm to go . It could be 5 or 15 cm depending on sail . It could be 15 for the bottom camms then 5 for the top ones .You will figure it out . Pull outhaul all the way . Pop on camms . Finish downhaul till the crease is two thirds across. More if it really windy . Adjust outhaul to what your fingers can easily pull back in the sail eyelet . It's a good starting point .
A under downhauled race sail will feel heavy , powerful but not fast and push the board into the water .
I remember when I started using and rigging them ,the amount of downhaul necessary seemed like I was going to break something .

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Imax1 said..
Underhauling race sails is a bad thing . Adjust to what the sail looks like , not numbers , they can be out . The crease in the upper panel can go two thirds across to the mast and more . And then rig a size bigger than you normally would.
Popping on camms shouldn't be hard . There is a system , slightly different with different sails .
Pull sail down to about 10 cm to go . It could be 5 or 15 cm depending on sail . It could be 15 for the bottom camms then 5 for the top ones .You will figure it out . Pull outhaul all the way . Pop on camms . Finish downhaul till the crease is two thirds across. More if it really windy . Adjust outhaul to what your fingers can easily pull back in the sail eyelet . It's a good starting point .
A under downhauled race sail will feel heavy , powerful but not fast and push the board into the water .
I remember when I started using and rigging them ,the amount of downhaul necessary seemed like I was going to break something .

Wow, that was really informative Imax1, I have never bought or used a sail with cams, and now I am glad I did not! I understand they are good for racing, but I do not race, and for my level of foiling freeride sails are fine.

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Imax1 said..
Underhauling race sails is a bad thing . Adjust to what the sail looks like , not numbers , they can be out . The crease in the upper panel can go two thirds across to the mast and more . And then rig a size bigger than you normally would.
Popping on camms shouldn't be hard . There is a system , slightly different with different sails .
Pull sail down to about 10 cm to go . It could be 5 or 15 cm depending on sail . It could be 15 for the bottom camms then 5 for the top ones .You will figure it out . Pull outhaul all the way . Pop on camms . Finish downhaul till the crease is two thirds across. More if it really windy . Adjust outhaul to what your fingers can easily pull back in the sail eyelet . It's a good starting point .
A under downhauled race sail will feel heavy , powerful but not fast and push the board into the water .
I remember when I started using and rigging them ,the amount of downhaul necessary seemed like I was going to break something .

cheers

I need to go back to adding outhaul before popping on the cams too.

Friday was my first day with more downhaul on my 7.8 in 15-18 knots and it felt awesome, never heavy or OP'd