And is it different to Free Style Wave?

All these categories are making me confused...

ask IKW777, I think he knows ...

Nah he's a clown with no ideas.

Last time I described it I got people upset!

I feel it is between freeride and wavesailing. Going fast ish and jumping off say knee to waist hi waves.

If the waves are smaller, then you are doing freeride with chophops, or freestyle.
If the waves are bigger than that it is wavesailing.

So a FSW, fast as you can, with some waves about 1m high, in a bay somewhere (or a river licke the Gorge - B&J

IMHO

But if your board never gets air off the waves, is that free-riding?

If the bumps make u jump then it's jumping the bumps , how many bumps can a bump jumper jump if a bump jumper could jump bumps ?

Bump and jump sailing is sailing in conditions not suitable for wave riding with the intention is to get some airtime. This can be done on any style of board with footstraps in planning conditions. If you can jump it you can go bump and jump sailing. There is a great segment in one of the old Gasstra videos of Phil McGain and Mathias Holmberg testing slalom gear in big rolling swell in Hawaii.

I have developed my own version of bump and jump. It has taken many years to perfect but I call it 'Dash and Splash'.


It is similar to bump and jump except it involves shorter periods of time on the board and longer periods of time in the water.

And it is all done with considerably less style.

The point where your freeride board carries to much speed for the water state and it gets out of control, in my case my 108 hawk and 6.5 sail. Solution, smaller board softer rails more concave to absorb the chop, my 90 litre carve (6.5) is my answer but I pass on the jump options looking for the fastest track I can find through the bump. I think myself it can be more challenging looking for the fast line through chop than taking the jump options and when you least expect it and get airborne at speed, wow, now that puts a smile on the dial.

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Surfinfreak said..
But if your board never gets air off the waves, is that free-riding?

I always thought Freeride was kind of Slalom but not as fast (because Slalom boards will go faster on flater water) say on the river or a lake. Then going in the ocean doing the same as slalom but probably more comfortable as your not carrying as much speed as a slalom board. So Freeride , board on water with the exception of the occasional unavoidable jump / air.

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Carantoc said..
I have developed my own version of bump and jump. It has taken many years to perfect but I call it 'Dash and Splash'.


It is similar to bump and jump except it involves shorter periods of time on the board and longer periods of time in the water.

And it is all done with considerably less style.

Sounds like you sail with considerable more style. Contemporary windsurfing art with stylish demounting
....which i often practice

When somebody says their spot in B&J, I envision 20 knots, and very choppy/messy spot. For me, it's a FSW board and a wave sail. Agree with Legless, B&J can be done on anything available, but wave gear (including FSW boards) is the best IMO.

B&J is all about chop hops either on a bumpy/rough bay/lake or in the ocean. If you're riding breaking waves, well that's wave sailing regardless of how big they are. For B&J you want plenty of rocker, inboard foot straps and a RAF sail. That could be a FSW, freestyle or wave board.

Freestyle is similar, but you're doing fancy tricks while jumping, not just going for hangtime.

Freeride is just a de-tuned slalom board with ease-of-use being the main design brief, but they're also fast, handle chop and should gybe nicely. A freeride board will have outboard straps, but not as aggressive as a slalom board. They're less technical to ride and will handle a range of RAF or cambered sails.

FSW is not a discipline. FSW is a type of board that is a blend of pure wave board and pure freestyle (dah). It's designed as a multi-disciplined board for waves, B&J and freestyle. FSW boards don't work very well with a race sail.

Is it bump and jump if all the jumps are unintentional?

It's my primary sort of sailing with an open bay and wind chop up to and sometimes over 1m. B&J (chop-hopping) is best done in strong winds 20kts+, and when there's some swell running.

I would say that a board needs to be fast and built for impact at high speeds. It's so you can blast along flat sections and line up a bit of swell or wind chop. You will land the board flat on the face of another bit if chop several times, so the board has to be able to handle the impact.

FSW is a weird category.

Have there ever been FSW boards that were actually suitable for freestyle? All the ones I have seen would better be described as Freeride-Wave. "Free-Wave" would seem a better name.

My boards are FSW but there's no freestyle features in them that I can see. No freestyler would choose them.

just google BJ and you will get all the answers you need.

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Shifu said..
FSW is a weird category.

Have there ever been FSW boards that were actually suitable for freestyle? All the ones I have seen would better be described as Freeride-Wave. "Free-Wave" would seem a better name.

My boards are FSW but there's no freestyle features in them that I can see. No freestyler would choose them.

Yes "freeride-wave" is more appropriate. JP invented the FSW category in 2001. Freestyle boards back then were a lot like freeride boards. They weren't short wide flat and corky as they are now. "Freestyle", both the discipline and the boards have changed but "freestyle wave" class hasn't changed much because it's popular.

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NotWal said...

Shifu said..
FSW is a weird category.

Have there ever been FSW boards that were actually suitable for freestyle? All the ones I have seen would better be described as Freeride-Wave. "Free-Wave" would seem a better name.

My boards are FSW but there's no freestyle features in them that I can see. No freestyler would choose them.

Yes "freeride-wave" is more appropriate. JP invented the FSW category in 2001. Freestyle boards back then were a lot like freeride boards. They weren't short wide flat and corky as they are now. "Freestyle", both the discipline and the boards have changed but "freestyle wave" class hasn't changed much because it's popular.

Excellent historically based explanation!

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MrCranky said..
Is it bump and jump if all the jumps are unintentional?

No...That's called 'Bump and Thump'

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jn1 said..
When somebody says their spot in B&J, I envision 20 knots, and very choppy/messy spot. For me, it's a FSW board and a wave sail. Agree with Legless, B&J can be done on anything available, but wave gear (including FSW boards) is the best IMO.

Port Hughes, yes , choppy/messy. Wallaroo 5 minutes up the road, you will never know