Thinking of getting a smaller board for those 25kt+ days.Once again it will be a compromise. I do GPS sailing but the board will also have to be comfortable in the killer chop off Coal point ( Lake Macqaurie).
I've had a bit of a look around and there doesn't seem to be a lot of boards that small.
Is there such a thing as a comfortable but fast board for those conditions.. I weigh 64kgs..
Also buying 2nd hand and don't want to spend a lot as it won't be used as much as my other boards.

There's 68l JP twin fins around going cheap, I like mine in the bigger winds with a 4.5 and 4.0, haven't had it out much lately but it's more comfortable than bigger boards with small sails, I'm same weight

Go for a sputnik 270, great to jibe, good in chop, (use to sail my in Port Phillip Bay) and pretty fast. Old, bit slow to accelerate (at my weight 90kg) but use to love sailing it when I was 75kg. Had a go of it yesterday and still does a really nice planing jibe and really holds its speed once going, which I haven't yet mastered on the shorter boards. (They are 80 Litres)

Thanks. I'll put them on the list. Twin fin boards - what effect if any would the extra fins have in lake sailing? Had a look and a few around but a bit more than I want to pay ( newish ones).
What are the young gun wave like? Suitable for lake sailing B& J + flat?

Twin fins / quads etc should NOT be used as flat water blasters - they are good for getting around at moderate speed in a wave break - but are designed to surf. And jump.

A single with proper fin lift will free up nicely for flat water speed oriented sailing. You are really relying on that fin lift to get everything balanced and flying for GPS times.

A wave board wont get close i'm afraid.

They don't make freeride that boards that small do they? Looks like the choice is pretty limited?
Is it possible to have a fast board in chop but still not be hard to handle? I'm only intermediate and getting old..

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sboardcrazy said..

They don't make freeride that boards that small do they? Looks like the choice is pretty limited?
Is it possible to have a fast board in chop but still not be hard to handle? I'm only intermediate and getting old..

A fast fsw board should do the trick sboardcrazy. Get something with a PB fin box so you have more fin type choices.

edit - although at your weight US box might be your only option.

I have an FANATIC twin 79L, that i can do real cheap. talking $200 cheap.
its had a repair but feels stronger then when new.

it goes fast, and handles the ocean chop we get around sydney with ease.

msg me if your keen

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JBFletch said..

I have an FANATIC twin 79L, that i can do real cheap. talking $200 cheap.
its had a repair but feels stronger then when new.

it goes fast, and handles the ocean chop we get around sydney with ease.

msg me if your keen

Thanks but I already have a 78ltre pocket wave that I love except it's miles too big for the sort of conditions I'm talking about.If it was 64 or less I might be interested..

It needs to be able to go fast enough to be a bit of fun GPS - doesn't need to get above mid 30's as i don't think the pilot will be able to get more than that.. but also handle B & J like here..if one exists?
www.jaguarhunter.org.au/coal_point_pictures.htm

Hi Sue,

it sounds like you want two boards. One for the rougher stuff like a smaller version of your bigger green board around 80 litres in volume and then a tiny slalom board or speed board, something around 60 to 70 litres in volume and about 50cms wide or less. It would be great for the flat waters on the lakes around Toukley. Perhaps look at selling your Rocket and the Pocket Wave to rationalise the number of boards you have.


Well done on hitting 30 knots too.

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Hi Sue,

it sounds like you want two boards. One for the rougher stuff like a smaller version of your bigger green board around 80 litres in volume and then a tiny slalom board or speed board, something around 60 to 70 litres in volume and about 50cms wide or less. It would be great for the flat waters on the lakes around Toukley. Perhaps look at selling your Rocket and the Pocket Wave to rationalise the number of boards you have.


Well done on hitting 30 knots too.

Thanks Moby! Unfortunately the bigger board only comes in the 115ltres size or larger.Hmm I'm attached to my Tabous..

Pretty sure in the 2006 - 2008 models, RRD did a 70L FSW. Would be pretty cheap now, and those slightly longer and skinner ones rode a bit better (nto that they are long and skinny like a 1990's board)

However that is getting pretty specific - hard to find no doubt - so just get the smallest FSW you can find

At our weight you don't want a speed board for 25 knots in chop, you want something which is safe and comfortable and fun because it's safe. Anything that is too fast is just going to feel dangerous. Wild chop is not for doing your best speeds. Those days are just for going out and having fun and feeling good because you've survived. FSW don't go small enough. A wave board with a fast rocker line and a single fin is my choice. More than one fin gets too draggy.
Now for 25 knots and flat water, that's where a small speed board comes into it's own. So yes, you need two boards. The one compromise does exist but it will be less than satisfactory in at least one of those scenarios.
Surprised your 78L is too big. My 74L Tabou is just right for those conditions - a bit slow but fun and safe. Mine is older and probably has a narrower tail. Actually now I have sanded the scrapes off the fin it will probably be a lot faster...

sorry but I just brought salty nic's naish sp 80 from up your way, had it out in some good size chop yesterday and jibed like a dream, what you need is a fast board but will also turn in chop,
I have modified heaps of boards and yet to match the construction of the naish , well I hope the construction of the later 80lt is as good as the 2007 , I haven't done anything to the 80 yet so im not sure if its the same layup
ps and yesterday n/e 20 to 30knts shanky point bagged a 36knt on the dial

Nice work keef

Dezza all you need is a gps and you can take it for a test run

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keef said..

sorry but I just brought salty nic's naish sp 80 from up your way, had it out in some good size chop yesterday and jibed like a dream, what you need is a fast board but will also turn in chop,
I have modified heaps of boards and yet to match the construction of the naish , well I hope the construction of the later 80lt is as good as the 2007 , I haven't done anything to the 80 yet so im not sure if its the same layup
ps and yesterday n/e 20 to 30knts shanky point bagged a 36knt on the dial

So is that a waveboard?

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Windxtasy said..

At our weight you don't want a speed board for 25 knots in chop, you want something which is safe and comfortable and fun because it's safe. Anything that is too fast is just going to feel dangerous. Wild chop is not for doing your best speeds. Those days are just for going out and having fun and feeling good because you've survived. FSW don't go small enough. A wave board with a fast rocker line and a single fin is my choice. More than one fin gets too draggy.
Now for 25 knots and flat water, that's where a small speed board comes into it's own. So yes, you need two boards. The one compromise does exist but it will be less than satisfactory in at least one of those scenarios.
Surprised your 78L is too big. My 74L Tabou is just right for those conditions - a bit slow but fun and safe. Mine is older and probably has a narrower tail. Actually now I have sanded the scrapes off the fin it will probably be a lot faster...

Yes.
Yeah I thought that.. Like my big board although I did get 29.05 on it!
I love my 78 but in conditions like these
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/New-South-Wales/Marmong-Point-GPS-Series-2/
the guys seem to be using boards their weight or a bit less so using a similar idea gets me to a 60-65ltre board.

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keef said...
Dezza all you need is a gps and you can take it for a test run

Checking out the January sales

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sboardcrazy said..

keef said..

So is that a waveboard?

no its a speed slalom that will handle chop, sue theres nothing wrong with living in the past, have a look at the conditions your sailing, if your going to sail in chop as well as weed beds you will need a narrow tail slalom board so you can use a small weed fin that will also handle chop , have a look at

mudskipper(www.gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2014-01-05&team=34) in the same conditions heavy chop and short speed runs through weed with a 17.5 weed fin and yes a 6.0mt race sail in 25 to 30 knts
so you need to get the picture
, you need a small fin and narrow tail board so you can get over the weed and not plow through it , you also need a weed fin like the MXR WEED SPEED, a nice thick foil so you can get the lift off the foil to go through the chop
getting back to the naish sp range www.windsurfing44.com/matos/Naish/2007/Naish_2007_Boards_Slalom_Pro_en.pdf
these boards have a lower rocker for early plaining with v in the tail for a smooth ride through chop and easy jibeing in chop and a narrow tail to handle small weed fins

if your sailing chop without weed then go for the newer boards with the wider tail and slalom fins so you can sail over the chop at speed
what you will also need to do is sort out the sh.t from the fly's and weigh up what suits your sailing conditions

Just some food for thought here. Have used a combo of a Tabou 3S (2012) + Tectonics Goldwing (in powerbox). The board was 116 litres/66cm wide and the goldwing(34cm), just seemed to gel perfectly with the board. Used it on rougher days at the lake when it looked more like the open ocean. Very fast combo and handles the chop with ease. I dont think ive ridden a board thats more comfortable in large chop.

IMHO a old Starboard Acid. I think they made a 66L one. They are very quick and great in Chop.

To be honest no board is suddenly going to make sailing in chop fast and easy. It takes a different mental state to just hook in power down and go for.
Try practicing by locking down and counting to 5. Once you can do that hold the power down for 10 and so.

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sboardcrazy said..

Thinking of getting a smaller board for those 25kt+ days.Once again it will be a compromise. I do GPS sailing but the board will also have to be comfortable in the killer chop off Coal point ( Lake Macqaurie).
I've had a bit of a look around and there doesn't seem to be a lot of boards that small.
Is there such a thing as a comfortable but fast board for those conditions.. I weigh 64kgs..
Also buying 2nd hand and don't want to spend a lot as it won't be used as much as my other boards.

I remember looking for the same thing, I weigh 58 - 62 kg and even on a 85l i start taking flight in 28+knts i have an old 72l jp and it's narrow with a lot of rocker which helps me alot. but its wave and ur looking for a fast board so not sure, have you thought of building one? I remember a fast wave board, it was rrd (I think 2001), it was blue at about 68l, short and narrow, rocker wasn't massive and the write up on it was that it had a good top end speed... wish i could remember the name.

for me the width is a big deal, my jp has a narrow tail which helps a lot.

If you're lucky you might find an older Starboard ProKids S-Type, I'm sure I've seen a couple for sale here in the past. They were designed to be a fast freeride. 72L, 210x55cm

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Starboard 2006 website said...
[br]ProKids S-Type
The accessible freeride blaster. Fast and comfortable blaster. Carve-style rails for exceptional jibing. Slalom board rocker for speed.

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keef said..

sboardcrazy said..

keef said..

So is that a waveboard?

no its a speed slalom that will handle chop, sue theres nothing wrong with living in the past, have a look at the conditions your sailing, if your going to sail in chop as well as weed beds you will need a narrow tail slalom board so you can use a small weed fin that will also handle chop , have a look at

mudskipper(www.gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2014-01-05&team=34) in the same conditions heavy chop and short speed runs through weed with a 17.5 weed fin and yes a 6.0mt race sail in 25 to 30 knts
so you need to get the picture
, you need a small fin and narrow tail board so you can get over the weed and not plow through it , you also need a weed fin like the MXR WEED SPEED, a nice thick foil so you can get the lift off the foil to go through the chop
getting back to the naish sp range www.windsurfing44.com/matos/Naish/2007/Naish_2007_Boards_Slalom_Pro_en.pdf
these boards have a lower rocker for early plaining with v in the tail for a smooth ride through chop and easy jibeing in chop and a narrow tail to handle small weed fins

if your sailing chop without weed then go for the newer boards with the wider tail and slalom fins so you can sail over the chop at speed
what you will also need to do is sort out the sh.t from the fly's and weigh up what suits your sailing conditions

Do you have to be pretty good to do that? I'm a bit worried it would be past my fitness and ability?

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Bender said..

IMHO a old Starboard Acid. I think they made a 66L one. They are very quick and great in Chop.

To be honest no board is suddenly going to make sailing in chop fast and easy. It takes a different mental state to just hook in power down and go for.
Try practicing by locking down and counting to 5. Once you can do that hold the power down for 10 and so.

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Squid Lips said..

If you're lucky you might find an older Starboard ProKids S-Type, I'm sure I've seen a couple for sale here in the past. They were designed to be a fast freeride. 72L, 210x55cm

Starboard 2006 website said...

ProKids S-Type
The accessible freeride blaster. Fast and comfortable blaster. Carve-style rails for exceptional jibing. Slalom board rocker for speed.

Sounds ok but still a little big I think..

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sboardcrazy said..

Squid Lips said..

If you're lucky you might find an older Starboard ProKids S-Type, I'm sure I've seen a couple for sale here in the past. They were designed to be a fast freeride. 72L, 210x55cm

Starboard 2006 website said...

ProKids S-Type
The accessible freeride blaster. Fast and comfortable blaster. Carve-style rails for exceptional jibing. Slalom board rocker for speed.

Sounds ok but still a little big I think..

Don't get a kids board without trying it first. When I was at your stage of thinking/speedsailing I tried a JP young gun 70L. It was the WORST session of sailing I have EVER had. The footstrap positions vs mast track are all wrong for an adult. They are made for smaller people. I have never been catapulted so much in my life!
4 years down the track my best solution is waveboard for choppy ballistic days and speed board for flat water windy days.
Re size - 60L may be great if the wind is consistently strong where you are. Where I sail there are often big lulls, especially in winter fronts so something with a bit of float is a big advantage. I find about 74L ideal.

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Do you have to be pretty good to do that? I'm a bit worried it would be past my fitness and ability?

sue i put that pic up to show you the board , not the guy jumping it and how narrow the tail is compared to the later slalom boards

That dude is 63 , He is my uncle , and a bloody good sailor . Thats a fanatic bee 84 liter , its more a bump and jump board .
I got smashed a few times in that chop trying to put the foot down on my AB+ 59 .

2 here on Seabreeze, for the budget conscious.

The Naish sounds like an absolute bargain for someone the right size.
Not sure if they are fast enough for what you want, but if they are smooth through chop, that would help you lock down and go fast with confidence, compared to a slalom board that bounces too much.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing-Boards/~a0duk/2012-Naish-Wave-215-cm-55-litres.aspx?search=iVVAl2umBXmHLC7VP1FIeA%3d%3d&t=0

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing-Boards/~axe7l/2002-Starboard-Acid-250-cm-66-litres.aspx?search=iVVAl2umBXmHLC7VP1FIeA==