Design a Lake

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pmorelli
pmorelli
1 posts
1 posts
10 May 2008 8:48am
My company is designing a lake, wind surfing is one of the activities the client would like to provide.

I would like some feedback on some design considerations. Is there anything I should know when designing a lake to make sure our surfers are happy.

I would appreciate any feedback.

Thanks.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
10 May 2008 9:07am
Make it big, wet and windy.
OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
VIC
980 posts
VIC, 980 posts
10 May 2008 11:08am
A nice grassy rigging area close to the shoreline with car parking facilities -- so you dont have to carry the rig very far.
Knee to waist deep, sandy bottom that extends several hundred meters to encourage beginners.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
10 May 2008 9:10am
Lakes are normally very gusty due to the small area and the fact that there is normally hills around it somewhere. Until you get up to really big lakes of course.

There are no design considerations really ....... because I bet your client is a resort or similar and they intend to have beginners learn to windsurf on it? If that is the case, at least waist deep (long fins on some boards) and that is about it.
555
555
892 posts
555 555
892 posts
10 May 2008 9:31am
Something like this:

P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
10 May 2008 9:36am
yer mark would be right there, unless it was at the bottom of a big mellow valley that could funnel the wind.
I've often pondered this while spending endless months waiting for wind. you could have a wave machine at one end of the lake pushing waves straight at you, and on the side some big *ss fans, like the indoor but bigger, the lake would have to be at least the length of a modern speed course, so you could turn the wave machine off and do some speed runs or slalom, then switch it on and it's jump fest. a pool like the massive one in chile would be perfect.
I'm sure the wave machine and wind machine would pay for itself pretty fast. and you could put wind turbines oppisite the fans so you can use the wind for power too, almost pay for itself.
sausage
sausage
QLD
4874 posts
QLD, 4874 posts
10 May 2008 11:55am
P.C_simpson said...

yer mark would be right there, unless it was at the bottom of a big mellow valley that could funnel the wind.
I've often pondered this while spending endless months waiting for wind. you could have a wave machine at one end of the lake pushing waves straight at you, and on the side some big *ss fans, like the indoor but bigger, the lake would have to be at least the length of a modern speed course, so you could turn the wave machine off and do some speed runs or slalom, then switch it on and it's jump fest. a pool like the massive one in chile would be perfect.
I'm sure the wave machine and wind machine would pay for itself pretty fast. and you could put wind turbines oppisite the fans so you can use the wind for power too, almost pay for itself.


In case you need some;




Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14953 posts
QLD, 14953 posts
10 May 2008 11:58am
i would think the lake would also require a floating jetty or finger of land extending approx 1km from the shore at an angle approx 135 deg to the prvailing wind direction.

pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
10 May 2008 12:42pm
If the lake is longish and narrowish, then look at prevailing winds during the sailing season, and ensure the lake in the direction of the wind, with a take-off point somewhere downwind, on the sides. But not upwind, lest the wind will be off-shore (BAD).

That means you get cross-shore, cleaner winds. Of course it also means a run is shorter, but the wind will be clean and real good for improving on jibes and freestyle.

If the lake is roundish, then look at prevailing winds, and make sure take off points are on-shore or cross-shore, but never ever off-shore. Offshores will turn people right off.

Grassy area getting to water. Parking nearby. Deep grassy area for onlookers and their families. Make sure doesn't attrack geese or such pathologically defecating animals. Dunnies aplenty with 4-fold toilet paper.
windjunky
windjunky
VIC
401 posts
VIC, 401 posts
10 May 2008 12:43pm
Agree about the grassy rigging area and sandy, metre deep (so boards with big fins can sail but people can still easily sail) but overall the most important thing is the wind. and in particular the angle of the lake to the predominant breeze.
I'd consult the Bureau of Met for stats on the winds (or else us here on the forum!) and design it so that you get a reasonable (at least 500m) run from where you launch. I cant recall the exact best angle of the wind for windsurfers - but i somewhere from 80 to 135degrees i think is pretty good. Probably best to look this stuff up than take my word for it.

So yeah, check out the local winds and for windsurfers, make sure that they can get a decent run from the launch site, a shallow but not too shallow bottom, grassy rigging area and soft (preferably sand) bottom surface. A hose/shower to rinse off with would be nice too!

Oh, and can you build in a wave machine too???
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
10 May 2008 12:43pm
ban jet skis
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
10 May 2008 2:34pm
A bakery and a pub adjacent to the rigging area.
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
10 May 2008 5:49pm
Topless sunbathing area close to rigging area
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
10 May 2008 4:08pm
what location is the lake?
try DEC website they have info on artificial lakes. (dept of environemnt and conservation in western australia) for the midge and algae bloom problems, edges, depth, etc. send me a pm and I can put you onto a good designer.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3571 posts
WA, 3571 posts
10 May 2008 5:56pm
555 said...

Something like this:




I have seen this on GoogleEarth before... wonder if there is any wind... would worth checking out just for the novelty factor.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
10 May 2008 6:09pm
easty said...

A bakery and a pub adjacent to the rigging area.


You won me
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
11 May 2008 10:39pm
Make the water drinkable. And if you think I'm being facetious, I invite you to drink the water from one of the lakes I have sailed in.
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
NSW, 1412 posts
12 May 2008 12:00am
Noice & flat
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12872 posts
WA, 12872 posts
11 May 2008 10:05pm
Wineman said...

Noice & flat


That's really really flat!!!!! The flatter and windier the better, well windier for experienced sailors anyway. But flat suits everybody but wave sailors, and unless you put a wave machine in as well that's not going to happen in a lake.
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