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DIY freeride around 150l

Created by lemat lemat  > 9 months ago, 13 Oct 2024
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lemat
lemat

188 posts

13 Oct 2024 2:48pm
50 years 70kg, basic freeride level, small lake light gusty wind, 10 to 15 medium wind knots but 5 in lulls and 25 gusts. Actually i ride an home made hybrid race board, 290x72x180l daggerboard step tail, and try some freeride to slalom boards. For my level longer not to wide with volume work best, best one i find was an old ahd diamond race 72. Main sail simmer 2xc 7'8.
As a hobby builder i want to build a new one, i modify my template up to something that look right to my eyes, 270?72. Volume would be around 150l.

I build blank with leftovers from another projects. Center part is 3 layers of 18kg/m3 eps glueded with pu glue and epoxy mastic, side are .

I shape by hand, V bottom, mid rails. I seal foam with a lightweight epoxy spackle, add chinook power box and 10cm wide 250gr ud glass strip on bottom


Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

13 Oct 2024 5:36pm
Looking good . I use expanda foam to fill the top of the box. What is with the cork inlays?
Love a board build. What glass, carbon, sandwich are you going to do? vacc bagging?
But most important...., .... is that you're neglecting your lawn. Could do with a quick mow.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia

WA

23526 posts

13 Oct 2024 6:01pm
what is stopping the box from rolling? I'd install after all the sandwich... or is there a lot of glass around it and a lot going over top? Curious if you have done that install method previously...
Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

13 Oct 2024 8:51pm
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Imax1 said..
Looking good . I use expanda foam to fill the top of the box. What is with the cork inlays?
Love a board build. What glass, carbon, sandwich are you going to do? vacc bagging?
But most important...., .... is that you're neglecting your lawn. Could do with a quick mow.


Don't forget the edges.
lemat
lemat

188 posts

13 Oct 2024 7:06pm
I hand lam bottom with 100gr/m2 ud glass - 217gr/m2 biax carbon - 100gr/m2 ud glass finish with lightweight epoxy spackle, resin tinted.







lemat
lemat

188 posts

13 Oct 2024 7:33pm
No sandwich on bottom, only on deck.
For the box i do some sandwich each side of box to stiffen this place. I use 2mm cork fill with epoxy spackle with carbon under, i will add couple layers of carbon on top. I do the same on my windsup i use with 52cm fin and I do many foil rails installation like this with no problems, hope it will go well this time too...
I sharp edge at end of build, rounded it a bit first because i hand lam. I don't vacuum bag lam, i keep it low tech, cheap and simple for me. This way i know what i do and where i go. For sure not the best weight/strengh/stiffness ratio but for me en acceptable compromise of durability/performance/price. Hope to finish around at 10 kg.
Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

13 Oct 2024 9:44pm
Awesome, great job and inspiration for us home builders. Please more pics and info.

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lemat
lemat

188 posts

17 Oct 2024 1:47am
Not so much time to work on the board, i just lam layers of 125g/m2 glass on nose and tail with epoxy tinted black. I do a sandwich with cork and biax carbon for mast track and cut carbon biax 217g/m2 renforcement that will go under cork.






lemat
lemat

188 posts

20 Oct 2024 6:03pm
Today, i prep glass, 1 layer of 125g, with 15cm cover at center, then lam with carbon and cork over then go in the bag under vacuum.






Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

20 Oct 2024 8:11pm
That is one sexy shaping / glassing room.
I hope you're not neglecting your lawn.
lemat
lemat

188 posts

20 Oct 2024 6:40pm
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Imax1 said..
That is one sexy shaping / glassing room.
I hope you're not neglecting your lawn.


No don't worry. I take care and cut it again, some years ago you never havd to cut lawn in october, but it was before....
Gestalt
Gestalt

QLD

14722 posts

20 Oct 2024 8:49pm
Nice room!
lemat
lemat

188 posts

30 Oct 2024 1:59pm
It's time to continue:
Flush sanding edge of cork. It's fast and easy if you take care to let cork go up to rail line when bagging. I also like to final sanding upper rail foam a bit more when shape so it look with fiber laps and cork flush.
Set inserts with carbon and epoxy mastic. First at each plug i remove some cork to let thickness of 2 layers biax carbon 217g/m2 fiber laps. Finaly sand flush.

lemat
lemat

188 posts

30 Oct 2024 6:59pm
Cork seal with epoxy micro slurry then sand, ready to lam:




Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

30 Oct 2024 9:18pm
Looking splendid
Gestalt
Gestalt

QLD

14722 posts

30 Oct 2024 9:44pm
Very neat work
lemat
lemat

188 posts

1 Nov 2024 2:31am
Hand lam deck with one layer of biax carbon 217g/m2 finish with tinted epoxy spackle.

Sand bottom and polyester gloss



Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

1 Nov 2024 6:17am
Looks great. Do you use polyester gloss because it flows better ?
lemat
lemat

188 posts

1 Nov 2024 1:46pm
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Imax1 said..
Looks great. Do you use polyester gloss because it flows better ?


Yes for me polyester (isophtalic) top coat is easier to use than epoxy for a "no problems" finish. Flow better, no fish eyes, no blemish, you can clean brush well and use it again and again, higher barcol hardness that is easier to sand with right process, cheaper. I use it as really thin finish coat, like a varnish, not hot coat, on a fully cured, well sanded, 80 grit, phenol free waterproof epoxy filler coat. I do many boards like this with no problems, only spider web when board ding. If i have right equipement i would spray a thick pu 2k finish instead.
I am a garage builder, i keep a simple predictable process with easy to find localy reliable materials.
This way i know where i go and i don't have my friends knock the door for repair everydays like when i start build board with polyester. I hate repair boards.
lemat
lemat

188 posts

2 Nov 2024 7:20pm
Today i finish the board. I calculate volume more accuratly with many measure, 155l. Weight 9.7kg not so bad for this kind of board and tech. Probably can be build less strong with no problems. With some optimization in process and lay up can be a good 1kg less without to much strength lost.







Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

3 Nov 2024 6:43am
A thing of beauty
Gestalt
Gestalt

QLD

14722 posts

3 Nov 2024 9:52am
Love the finish. Did you use a squeegee to apply spackle. Have been contemplating trying a sponge to see if any difference to finish.
lemat
lemat

188 posts

3 Nov 2024 1:15pm
Yes i use a squegge. I mix 1 volume epoxy and tint then add about 1,5 volume glass microsphere and 0.5 volume colloidal silical. Whipped cream concistancy. Sand then top coat clear.
I try more or less runny consistancy with brush, roller, sponge with no success, perhaps with lot of mix it could work.
ptsf1111
ptsf1111

WA

506 posts

3 Nov 2024 2:17pm
Looks great, hope it doesn't feel too heavy on the water. What's the approximate costs in materials for the full build?
lemat
lemat

188 posts

3 Nov 2024 9:31pm
For weight feeling i ll see but i am use to an home made hybrid race around 15kg. For this size of boards 150/160l freeride 9.7kg is light, all i see are around 11kg. For cost blank is 20e (euro)for center part and glue, sides blank for free. Carbon was 50%discount with glass 140e, resin 60e, insert 60e other consumables 20e. Total around 300e.
If i have to do it again i would start with a 20kg/m3 blank far better quality/consistancy from my supplier with a light stringer. Cover bottom with multilayers standard glass with epoxy/micro slurry, for top keep carbon cork glass sandwich.
Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

4 Nov 2024 6:05am
9.7 kg for a solidly built 270 cm board is not heavy. I bet it will work good. Well done.
Gestalt
Gestalt

QLD

14722 posts

4 Nov 2024 6:33am
Agree imax.

Takes experience to finish a board off like that. looks great, fun times ahead!
graygeezer
graygeezer

17 posts

5 Nov 2024 12:07am
Beautiful!

Can you tell me a bit more about the setting of the mast track? The steps and materials?
lemat
lemat

188 posts

5 Nov 2024 2:14am
Back of mast track is 1280mm from back of board.
Look from my first post it's step by step with material description.
lemat
lemat

188 posts

10 Nov 2024 2:36pm
First use yesterday, wind was 5 to 12 kn never grow like forecast. Bigger sail, 7'8 simmer 2xc. Board feel really light and easy to move out and on water. I am used to a 3m 15kg hybrid race.
Plenty float for my 70kg, go upwind really well sub planing, i was worried of that in light wind with no daggerboard, but i seems i have near same angle but slower. I use here a 46cm slalom fins. In every gusts i take planning easily then board fly over water freely. I think i'll progress with this board. Need a bigger sail for that wind...
graygeezer
graygeezer

17 posts

24 Dec 2024 8:46pm
Awesome board! Glad to hear it work well!

When you glass over the fin box and mast track do you fill them with anything to prevent resin/glass getting down into them in the vacuum bag laminating?
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