Seems the older I get the more my knees suffer after each session

Has anyone had any luck with waterproof kneebraces to support them while you sail, and if so, whereabouts did you get them from?

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grumplestiltskin said..

Seems the older I get the more my knees suffer after each session

Has anyone had any luck with waterproof kneebraces to support them while you sail, and if so, whereabouts did you get them from?

have you heard the story about the brickies laborer wheeling his wheel barrow full of mud over a plank and gets a puncher , so he repairs the tyre and gets another load of mud and another puncher so pulls the tyre off and fixes it, after the third time a builder on the site comes over with his hammer and pulls the nail out and says, there you go that should fix it
moral of the story find some flatter water to sail in , I use to like to sail bay swells but now I tend to get hamstring cramps water starting so I only sail flat water, it fixed the problem

Or chase down softer riding boards. There's more to soft riding than just deep V or concaves. Flex, centre of percussion, mass distribution, vibrational nodes and antinodes are all inter-related. A different fin, sail and board width combination might let you sink the leeward rail and get a softer riding windward rail.

We need to get some violin makers on the job.

http://www.platetuning.org/html/what_are_the_modes_.html

After sailing medication works for me....Beer and lots of it.

Unfortunately, for me, its more than just softer riding boards, or flatter water (thanks Keef thats real helpful ).
My knees give my grief even if I walk too far or try jogging etc.

I know there is an underlying problem, I'm just trying to reduce the effects.
Wearing a standard elastic kneebrace afterwards helps, but if I can reduce it in the first place that has to be better.

^^ have u seen the doc? The lubricant injection may help?
Lots fish oil / glucosamine?

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Mark _australia said..

^^ have u seen the doc? The lubricant injection may help?
Lots fish oil / glucosamine?

Pallets Rich Plasma may help in more serious conditions ( at least that I have been told bu my Doc ).

www.terumobct.com/biologics

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Mark _australia said..

^^ have u seen the doc? The lubricant injection may help?
Lots fish oil / glucosamine?

Must admit I did take fish oil / glucosamine but because I am a lazy bastard I fell out of the habit. Will start them back up though now youve reminded me.

Maybe I just realised what the problem is ...... I'm a lazy bastard

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keef said..

grumplestiltskin said..

Seems the older I get the more my knees suffer after each session

Has anyone had any luck with waterproof kneebraces to support them while you sail, and if so, whereabouts did you get them from?

have you heard the story about the brickies laborer wheeling his wheel barrow full of mud over a plank and gets a puncher , so he repairs the tyre and gets another load of mud and another puncher so pulls the tyre off and fixes it, after the third time a builder on the site comes over with his hammer and pulls the nail out and says, there you go that should fix it
moral of the story find some flatter water to sail in , I use to like to sail bay swells but now I tend to get hamstring cramps water starting so I only sail flat water, it fixed the problem

Mark _australia said..

^^ have u seen the doc? The lubricant injection may help?

for the guy who red thumbed me , you need to see a doc , whats your problem no wind around your way , take a tip from jase and have a few beers you need to lighten up

am on five o now and enjoying not my left knee .. ortho says ligament is so thin the joints are rubbing against each other so no recourse but what I have noticed by jogging and stretching that it had lessened the pain significantly hope it helps for you as well

I got really worrried about my hips, but since I stopped using my 115L Carbon/Kevlar board the situation is improving.
The wood based construction seems to work well. It's still reasonably light, but has some flex so it feels softer.

I wonder how well the thick pads work (I.E. Tabou S3) on Carbon boards ?

Glucosamine definitelly works if used regularly.
Didn't know about fish oil, but why not? I'll get myself onto them too. (Thanks Mark).

In a similar situation, crap genetics, crap knees, ankles, hips. Can't run or do impact exercise because if I do I limp around for a few days after, walking down stairs is the worst.

The fish oil and glucosamine seem to help.
Big help is squats and deadlifts, building up the muscle in my legs helps with reducing the problems after sailing. Squatting and deadlifting enough weight so I can do 6-15 reps 3 sets.
working at a desk job doesn't help, sitting for 8 hours a day impacts the legs.

If I stop the glucosamine and fish oil I am buggered
It makes a difference as soon as I stop for more than a few days I can feel the difference

Softer gear required. This will sound like an ad, but I have a fair amount of damage in my joints (48 yo) with pretty chronic shoulders and sensitive knees. Almost all of my gear is soft riding. My exocet freeride and fsw boards are particularly comfortable, with their double density pads and soft riding form. I sail mostly in rough open bay conditions and don't have a problem. I like soft, stable cushion-y sails too and so have an all-Ezzy setup of no-cam cheetahs and wave sails on Ezzy masts. Using curved freeride and fsw style fins softens things up too, making boards less direct feeling.

in using this stuff i hope to prolong my windsurfing years. It's either that or take up model railways.

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grumplestiltskin said..

Unfortunately, for me, its more than just softer riding boards, or flatter water (thanks Keef thats real helpful ).
My knees give my grief even if I walk too far or try jogging etc.

I know there is an underlying problem, I'm just trying to reduce the effects.
Wearing a standard elastic kneebrace afterwards helps, but if I can reduce it in the first place that has to be better.

I was having trouble with the inside muscles of my knee after sailing so I bought a kneebrace from Angstey surgical in Newcastle for $99. I have hardly used it as I am inbetween sizes so the M is too big and I got the small but it is almost impossible to get on.I'm also doing exercises to strengthen the area. Anyway I think with the right size one it would help support your knee. Mine is neoprene ,has a hole for the kneecap and a round ridgelike strengthener around the hole. I was told by my chiro to ensure the kneecap could move..?

This might sound like it, but it's not an ad for tabou. I couldn't take the punishment that my old manta used to dish out. 4mm thick footpads would make my knees and ankles sore after a session, but since they put thicker ones, 8mm, I no longer suffer from the sore knee syndrome. (just the usual age type stuff). The thinner the footpads, the harsher the ride.

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Mark _australia said..

If I stop the glucosamine and fish oil I am buggered
It makes a difference as soon as I stop for more than a few days I can feel the difference

+1

Have you tried strengthening the muscles around your knees? Try squats with a fitball sandwiched between your back and a wall, stand with your knees slightly bent resting against the fitball, then roll the ball down the wall with your back until your knees are at 90deg, then push up again. 3 sets of 20 a few times a week really helped tighten up my knee joints (and worked for my brother who had the same problem as well).

I am starting to feel a bit hungry though.

The thread title "battered kneecaps" sounds like something at Chinese restaurant

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stanly said..

Mark _australia said..

If I stop the glucosamine and fish oil I am buggered
It makes a difference as soon as I stop for more than a few days I can feel the difference

+1

Have you tried strengthening the muscles around your knees? Try squats with a fitball sandwiched between your back and a wall, stand with your knees slightly bent resting against the fitball, then roll the ball down the wall with your back until your knees are at 90deg, then push up again. 3 sets of 20 a few times a week really helped tighten up my knee joints (and worked for my brother who had the same problem as well).

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grumplestiltskin, Stanly You havent met him then, recommending squats Baw haw haw haw
Nar only winding you up grumples.
I suffered frozen shoulder syndrome, tried all sorts, even a shot of lube that worked for a while. In the end to my surprise I switch to 1000m a day capsule of Krill oil. For some reason it worked after about three weeks. No more sleepless nights with should pain and now able to reach above should without discomfort.

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mineral1 said..

stanly said..

Mark _australia said..



If I stop the glucosamine and fish oil I am buggered

It makes a difference as soon as I stop for more than a few days I can feel the difference

+1



Have you tried strengthening the muscles around your knees? Try squats with a fitball sandwiched between your back and a wall, stand with your knees slightly bent resting against the fitball, then roll the ball down the wall with your back until your knees are at 90deg, then push up again. 3 sets of 20 a few times a week really helped tighten up my knee joints (and worked for my brother who had the same problem as well).

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grumplestiltskin, Stanly You havent met him then, recommending squats Baw haw haw haw

Nar only winding you up grumples.

I suffered frozen shoulder syndrome, tried all sorts, even a shot of lube that worked for a while. In the end to my surprise I switch to 1000m a day capsule of Krill oil. For some reason it worked after about three weeks. No more sleepless nights with should pain and now able to reach above should without discomfort.

Krill oil ?,. Wot sort?,, where from?

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pweedas said..
Krill oil ?,. Wot sort?,, where from?

I'm using Vitamore Krill Oil (30 day course, available from Coles for $10-$15). Aussie made, and reasonably priced. I got it for my stuffed knees, but these pills have stopped general aching in my joints, and given me extra flexibility. Normally I would have to do 10 minutes of stretching each morning and would get out of bed like at 80 YO after a previous days sail. Now, I jump out of bed with no stretching needed.

grumplestiltskin: I'll be seeing a knee surgeon in winter. An old motorcycle accident I had in my early 20's has come back to bite me... so it's about time I do something about it. Windsurfing brought back this injury. So know how you feel. I am going to go straight for surgery. I figured the sooner the better.

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pweedas said..

mineral1 said..

stanly said..

Mark _australia said..



If I stop the glucosamine and fish oil I am buggered

It makes a difference as soon as I stop for more than a few days I can feel the difference

+1



Have you tried strengthening the muscles around your knees? Try squats with a fitball sandwiched between your back and a wall, stand with your knees slightly bent resting against the fitball, then roll the ball down the wall with your back until your knees are at 90deg, then push up again. 3 sets of 20 a few times a week really helped tighten up my knee joints (and worked for my brother who had the same problem as well).

?rel=0

grumplestiltskin, Stanly You havent met him then, recommending squats Baw haw haw haw

Nar only winding you up grumples.

I suffered frozen shoulder syndrome, tried all sorts, even a shot of lube that worked for a while. In the end to my surprise I switch to 1000m a day capsule of Krill oil. For some reason it worked after about three weeks. No more sleepless nights with should pain and now able to reach above should without discomfort.

Krill oil ?,. Wot sort?,, where from?

Dunno, me wife buys it from Pharmacy Good women, I stumbled across her one day many, many, mannnnnny moons back, thought, there is a winner, and married her straight up

I see. So it sounds like the Krill oil doesn't come cheap then.
About twenty thousand dollars a year?

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jn1 said..

pweedas said..

Krill oil ?,. Wot sort?,, where from?

I'm using Vitamore Krill Oil (30 day course, available from Coles for $10-$15). Aussie made, and reasonably priced. I got it for my stuffed knees, but these pills have stopped general aching in my joints, and given me extra flexibility. Normally I would have to do 10 minutes of stretching each morning and would get out of bed like at 80 YO after a previous days sail. Now, I jump out of bed with no stretching needed.

Sweet, I'm off to get some right now then. Ta.
And if it doesn't work I'm blaming you.

They make a combination tablet with Glucosamine Sulphate and Chondroitin Sulphate and I take one of those each day for my joints.

Like Mark Australia, I reckon I can feel the difference when I stop taking them.

There are 'softer' boards - I thought the RRD FSW's I have tried are very comfortable to sail.
A friend of mine likes to sail fast, but his Isonic in big chop does his knees in.

Wing wetsuits in Sydney do a good knee brace for wake boarders which is nice thick neoprene with stiffeners down each side which helps keep everything stable. I have been using one for a year and a bit after a torn miniscus and it is great for support.

My surgeon told me to never do squats or lunges as they certainly make your muscles stronger but they also wear the cartilage out. He explained it to me as if you want to play football for ten years then go ahead but if you want to stay active into older age then definitely don't it.

Does this discussion mean we are an aging population?

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Dezza said..

Does this discussion mean we are an aging population?

There..red thumb for you

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Dezza said..

Does this discussion mean we are an aging population?

not unless you go to sanctuary point then you will fell old, a couple of weeks back we had about 8 kids under 12 years old , if your coming down for a sail you wont have any trouble finding me

now that grumps started this thread, am feeling all stiff and rusty!

I would have thought they would more have been for busted ACL or similar. I know a couple of guys who sail with them, and I'm pretty sure that's what they use them for.

I used to have knee cap trouble running long distances, and strapping used to fix the problem by holding my knee caps in alignment. You might like to visit a physio, and ask them if there is any way of strapping that could help your problem. Not sure the chance of success, but relatively cheap and simple to try.

Could also try and place more weight on harness I guess, and let your board ride up and over the chop instead of having extended stiff legs.