Hi,

For those in the 95-105kg range what size board are you guys using for b&j? Last year i bought a 105 JP magic wave (my first board under 115L) and the board feels great when its over 25knts but anything less than that and it starts to feel really small, I usually ride the board with a 6.2 xover and a 5.3 combat. I also have an rrd x fire 122 for slalom that i use with 8.6 and 7.0, that set up feels perfect in anything between 13 and 30 knots so my question is if it would make sense to trade the 105 for bigger size like a 116 or if should i get more time on the 105 and try to get used to it?

The goal is to get more sessions in the freewave board, hopefully in the 20knts range and get into wave riding at some point but for now i mostly use it when its too choppy for slalom or too windy for the 7.0.

I always use the board with thrusters, i have the stock set (10x19), a k4 rocket 20.5 which only made it feel more loose, I also tried it with an older freeride 24 with the stock sides but it felt really draggy.
Im 6'1 and weight around 100-103kg

Thanks!

If the goal is to advance into a bit of waveriding I would highly recommend the Quatro Power 115. My weight is 94 kilos.

I have the board myself (the previous version, the blue one, same shape as current model) and use it from 5.0 up to 6.8 both at sea and lake B&J sailing. It has a thruster set up and also a double backstrap option (which I have never used). I pair it with a 23 cm. wavefin up to a 30 cm. K4 3SW fin.

I'm 85 kg and sail fresh water great lakes.
I have a severne dyno 125 and love it.
Great b&j board.
I sail it both with thrusters (really good for control and overpowered) and single (better for marginal wind).
I've used 5.2-8.0.
Construction is very good.
Sails very well overpowered and big onshore stuff.
Jibes nice.
Tricky to get planning.
Inboard straps are great.
Not a super fast board.

Joe

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Cuchufleta said..
If the goal is to advance into a bit of waveriding I would highly recommend the Quatro Power 115. My weight is 94 kilos.

I have the board myself (the previous version, the blue one, same shape as current model) and use it from 5.0 up to 6.8 both at sea and lake B&J sailing. It has a thruster set up and also a double backstrap option (which I have never used). I pair it with a 23 cm. wavefin up to a 30 cm. K4 3SW fin.

yeah i was looking at that one because it looks like it could be better that than the magic wave for bump and jump. do you use the 23cm as a single fin or thrusters?
You feel ok doing 20L over weight?

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joe87879 said..
I'm 85 kg and sail fresh water great lakes.
I have a severne dyno 125 and love it.
Great b&j board.
I sail it both with thrusters (really good for control and overpowered) and single (better for marginal wind).
I've used 5.2-8.0.
Construction is very good.
Sails very well overpowered and big onshore stuff.
Jibes nice.
Tricky to get planning.
Inboard straps are great.
Not a super fast board.

Joe

Feel similarly to my dyno 115 @ 94kg. If it's really light and I'm not foiling I use my kode 135.

looks like i went way too small with that board compared to what you guys are using, hopefully i can get something like the kode 125 or quatro power 115.

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cris21 said..

Cuchufleta said..
If the goal is to advance into a bit of waveriding I would highly recommend the Quatro Power 115. My weight is 94 kilos.

I have the board myself (the previous version, the blue one, same shape as current model) and use it from 5.0 up to 6.8 both at sea and lake B&J sailing. It has a thruster set up and also a double backstrap option (which I have never used). I pair it with a 23 cm. wavefin up to a 30 cm. K4 3SW fin.

yeah i was looking at that one because it looks like it could be better that than the magic wave for bump and jump. do you use the 23cm as a single fin or thrusters?
You feel ok doing 20L over weight?

Hi Chris, I only sail it as a thruster, can't be bothered to take the thrusters out when I sail at the lake (as most likely I will have to put them back in next time on the sea). I see that you also mention the Kode 125. As my biggest board I have the Kode 135 (2022 wood construction). I wouldn't want to compare the Power to the Kode, of course there is the 20 liters more in volume and I like the Kode very much (for what I use it for, B&J in light winds) but I would pick the Power over the Kode any day. It's a much more fun board only on basis of its manouevrability.

The 20 liters over my weight are not a problem at all, it behaves much like a smaller board for its volume but when you need the extra liters, they are there. I feel it gets a lot of it's stability because of it's width but it has a pinched tail that keeps it playful without hindering planing capabilities.

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Cuchufleta said..

cris21 said..

Cuchufleta said..
If the goal is to advance into a bit of waveriding I would highly recommend the Quatro Power 115. My weight is 94 kilos.

I have the board myself (the previous version, the blue one, same shape as current model) and use it from 5.0 up to 6.8 both at sea and lake B&J sailing. It has a thruster set up and also a double backstrap option (which I have never used). I pair it with a 23 cm. wavefin up to a 30 cm. K4 3SW fin.

yeah i was looking at that one because it looks like it could be better that than the magic wave for bump and jump. do you use the 23cm as a single fin or thrusters?
You feel ok doing 20L over weight?

Hi Chris, I only sail it as a thruster, can't be bothered to take the thrusters out when I sail at the lake (as most likely I will have to put them back in next time on the sea). I see that you also mention the Kode 125. As my biggest board I have the Kode 135 (2022 wood construction). I wouldn't want to compare the Power to the Kode, of course there is the 20 liters more in volume and I like the Kode very much (for what I use it for, B&J in light winds) but I would pick the Power over the Kode any day. It's a much more fun board only on basis of its manouevrability.

The 20 liters over my weight are not a problem at all, it behaves much like a smaller board for its volume but when you need the extra liters, they are there. I feel it gets a lot of it's stability because of it's width but it has a pinched tail that keeps it playful without hindering planing capabilities.

There was a nice quatro 115 for sale a while back in the east coast. Im located in Long Island NY. the used board market is not that big around here and most boards are in the 90-105 range.
at least now i know that the best option is to get something bigger, i was debating if keeping the board was the best option since most people use boards similar to that size.

I guess going up a bit in volume can't hurt you. The 2024 boards are around the corner so you might see some more people wanting to part with their boards soon....

As usual people recommending their favourite board. It seems you are asking what volume for your conditions - you are in WA?
And wanting to get into wavesailing so then the question may be a more wave oriented FSW board?

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Mark _australia said..
As usual people recommending their favourite board. It seems you are asking what volume for your conditions - you are in WA?
And wanting to get into wavesailing so then the question may be a more wave oriented FSW board?

Honestly I really like my board but it's good to know of other options since finding a 116 for the board I have would be pretty hard.
I was more curious about what others riders similar to my weight were using so I could have an idea of what to expect, it's a bit frustrating to struggle in the smaller board when it's around 20-25 knots. I'm in Long Island, New York.

I am your weight.

A 98L FSW works for me when it gets closer to 30knts, use 145L Rocket for up to 22knts, and have recently been using a 122L Mark's OZ Custom 122L FSW for everything in between.
It's well suited for the extreme chop I sail in.
For a less choppy environment, I would prefer a Rocket 125L (2015 onwards).

Hi,
Same weight (~97) and have a 105l board, which is great if powered but gusty winds or slogging is a pain. You need a lot of wind to push the water arround the board. Bought another 115l rrd freewave and those 10l in the tail make a huge difference. Slogging is a lot better and handles up to 7qm nicely.
If the wind picks up I just have to decide if 105 or 90 is the weapon of choice. So for powered 5.7 conditions(>25kn) I h?nge board than sail.

I think for what youre doing a waveboard was not the best choice sorry.
I assumed from WA on your profile and was going to give u some FSW boards to try.

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Mark _australia said..
I think for what youre doing a waveboard was not the best choice sorry.
I assumed from WA on your profile and was going to give u some FSW boards to try.

Where i ride can get pretty choppy when its windy and the wave board feels soft and rides ok over the chop, maybe it feels that way because it is slower than a fsw. I had a JP fsw 113 and didnt like it

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Peer78 said..
Hi,
Same weight (~97) and have a 105l board, which is great if powered but gusty winds or slogging is a pain. You need a lot of wind to push the water arround the board. Bought another 115l rrd freewave and those 10l in the tail make a huge difference. Slogging is a lot better and handles up to 7qm nicely.
If the wind picks up I just have to decide if 105 or 90 is the weapon of choice. So for powered 5.7 conditions(>25kn) I h?nge board than sail.

yes thats the same issue i have. if the wind dies is really hard to get back and the board doesnt have enough volume to just hold my weight, if i stop moving it sinks.

105 is fine but you'll need a fsw. Maybe you can get a starboard which is known to have good float.

Those with the 115 Power, how would you rate it in chop?
I'm looking to replace an RRD Wave Cult 104L which just doesn't have enough float and seem to start riding rough before I'm ready to step down to my 85L.
I'd be adding a 95-100L onshore wave board to the quiver as well.

In my experience it handles chop very well. It always stays in control and I never feel like getting bounced around, as I have felt with other boards.

I normally sail it with 5.8/6.3/6.8 but I have had it out with 5.0 in confused sea state and it handled it much better than I would have anticipated (on these occasions I only brought this board, normally I would have picked a smaller board).

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cris21 said..

Mark _australia said..
I think for what youre doing a waveboard was not the best choice sorry.
I assumed from WA on your profile and was going to give u some FSW boards to try.

Where i ride can get pretty choppy when its windy and the wave board feels soft and rides ok over the chop, maybe it feels that way because it is slower than a fsw. I had a JP fsw 113 and didnt like it

Peer78 said..
Hi,
Same weight (~97) and have a 105l board, which is great if powered but gusty winds or slogging is a pain. You need a lot of wind to push the water arround the board. Bought another 115l rrd freewave and those 10l in the tail make a huge difference. Slogging is a lot better and handles up to 7qm nicely.
If the wind picks up I just have to decide if 105 or 90 is the weapon of choice. So for powered 5.7 conditions(>25kn) I h?nge board than sail.

yes thats the same issue i have. if the wind dies is really hard to get back and the board doesnt have enough volume to just hold my weight, if i stop moving it sinks.

I reckon you'd be better on a 125lt board with a widish tail. The jp pure wave boards don't suit heavier guys in my opinion because the tail is too narrow. Their fsw has a wider tail. What about a dyno.

Light wind dredging skills are a handy skill worth practicing. I regularly take my 125lt board out in 10-12 knots. I'm 110kg. Problem is unless it's dead flat I really struggle to uphaul. So I got a 135lt wave board which I can uphaul. if I really need to get home without swimming I use the 135lt board.

Gestalt, What are the dims of the 135 litre wave board? And what sort of wave conditions do you use it in and what sail sizes?
I find the equipment scaling problem for sailor size interesting, keen to learn of other people's experiences in this.

BTW in case it helps someone else here I have a tip that someone local told me while slogging on the 115 at 94kg (plus wetsuit).

He said that my board's nose looked a bit high, and we talked about foot position. When slogging, I'll often put my front foot up by the mast base, but my back foot was still fairly far back.

He recommended putting my back foot close to the front straps. I went back out and kept my foot forward as normal and my back foot almost touching the front straps and it made a pretty big difference in just pointing upwind and catching gusts to pop on plane, as it felt like I was engaging the rail a lot more in the light stuff than a fin.

I know there are tons of better, more experienced windsurfers than me but this is a tip that I was unaware of, so just in case someone else needs it...

It did take more concentration, and felt more at the verge of catapult than where I was, but it made up for it otherwise.

Seems you love the control you get from tiny tail and more rocker - but dont like it when the wind drops. That is waveboards.

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sheddweller said..
Gestalt, What are the dims of the 135 litre wave board? And what sort of wave conditions do you use it in and what sail sizes?
I find the equipment scaling problem for sailor size interesting, keen to learn of other people's experiences in this.

Board is 232x68,

I use it in ankle to boom high. Sail is 6.2m simmer apex or 5.6m simmer blacktip. Board was an experiment so has a super wide tail. Think mini Simmons outline. Ended up being a great design which could possibly have been luck

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aeroegnr said..
BTW in case it helps someone else here I have a tip that someone local told me while slogging on the 115 at 94kg (plus wetsuit).

He said that my board's nose looked a bit high, and we talked about foot position. When slogging, I'll often put my front foot up by the mast base, but my back foot was still fairly far back.

He recommended putting my back foot close to the front straps. I went back out and kept my foot forward as normal and my back foot almost touching the front straps and it made a pretty big difference in just pointing upwind and catching gusts to pop on plane, as it felt like I was engaging the rail a lot more in the light stuff than a fin.

I know there are tons of better, more experienced windsurfers than me but this is a tip that I was unaware of, so just in case someone else needs it...

It did take more concentration, and felt more at the verge of catapult than where I was, but it made up for it otherwise.

Totally agree. You have to stay as centered as possible. Also for upwind putting your back foot close to front strap helps. Front foot depends on your mast base position. As heavy weight you easily push the nose too deep into the water creating too much drag causing that catapult tendency, if the wind pushes as your board cannot accelerate.

Bruch has a large wave board already commented in this forum. Starboard as well but I do not trust their quality anymore.

I the wave board section their is a similar discussion. To me sounds a bit like if right choice also depends on your wave quality. In good waves an side to side off conditions you don't have to care about going upwind and focus on control =>105l. In my euro wave mush side-on float and upwind are off greater focus=>115.

As a consequence one of those large wave boards should be great if you aime for control & float.

Seems to me there is almost a cross-over between big wave board and windSUP.

For me I dislike the lack of straps and planing on a WindSUP. I have a very abused beyond repair 122 Kombat which I used like a WindSUP but it's not great at turning.
I'd love something similar but biased more towards waves and much better built.

Maybe a Sea Lion?

foilandco.eu/product/sealion-strapped/

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Cuchufleta said..
Maybe a Sea Lion?

foilandco.eu/product/sealion-strapped/

95L just isn't enough board. I'm talking +120L.

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Grantmac said..
Seems to me there is almost a cross-over between big wave board and windSUP.

For me I dislike the lack of straps and planing on a WindSUP. I have a very abused beyond repair 122 Kombat which I used like a WindSUP but it's not great at turning.
I'd love something similar but biased more towards waves and much better built.

My FSW in 122 and 132L is like a more turny Dyno. Sounds perfect
But often the tail volume in such big waveboards means lighter people cant really get a good hacking cutback. Float n ride is very personal and the do you kinda wanna plane question interferes with the how well do you wanna turn questiin a lot more than smaller boards

I'm heavier again but 20 knots im happily on fanatic freewave 116, constant 25-26 knots im changing down to freewave 96. Both are the older classic narrower tail shapes (2014 & 2017). I'd happily use the current freewave or dyno.

I can hold the fw116 down to 30-35 but id rather be on the 96 as it's much more balanced with 5.3. 106 was also nice with 5.3, 5.3 doable but a little small on 116 imo, 5.7 way better than 5.3 for that size. I have mucked around with swapping combos 116/96 & 106/86's over the years with sails 4.5-7.3.

I don't like wide tailed freewave/waveboards, just personal, both the current fanatic & dyno are just on limit of too wide for my taste. & I wouldn't go any wider than 67 if you run inside/waveboard strap setup.

I reckon your current board is good size for b&j, maybe not for waves. I know current trend is to go big, fine if you sail cleaner spots but you can get bounced around alot in messy chop, especially with the poppier rockers alot of freewave boards have. What you gain at low end you lose at top end, you already have a board for lower end.

The other way I look at is each board has it's preferred sail, 116 with 6.2, 106 with 5.7, 96 with 5.3, obviously each can go bigger & smaller by about 1m but they're the sweet spots.

Below 20 knots where the bigger board comes into it's own unless you are in the surf the ramps don't build up enough so better on slalom or freeride (& you'll do bigger jumps on them than a freewave).

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Mark _australia said..

Grantmac said..
Seems to me there is almost a cross-over between big wave board and windSUP.

For me I dislike the lack of straps and planing on a WindSUP. I have a very abused beyond repair 122 Kombat which I used like a WindSUP but it's not great at turning.
I'd love something similar but biased more towards waves and much better built.

My FSW in 122 and 132L is like a more turny Dyno. Sounds perfect
But often the tail volume in such big waveboards means lighter people cant really get a good hacking cutback. Float n ride is very personal and the do you kinda wanna plane question interferes with the how well do you wanna turn questiin a lot more than smaller boards

From what you've posted your 122 sounds ideal. I'm curious how costly getting one to North America would be.