Who said foiling was only fun in light winds and flat water

Simon ripping yesterday in hectic onshore conditions - one of our best sessions

iPhone 12 camera

Awesome

Inspiring.

Onshore never looked so good

Awesome.
What's the foil setup?
Mast and fuselage lenght, front wing, etc?
The industry is focus on wingfoil, and has forgiven that windfoil waveriding and downwind, exists.
Thx

Love that carvey stuff . Nice video work too !.

Such skill!

Aspirational and a great example of why we wave windfoil. Having a sail, adds to the fun, when carving.

Another great job filming and editing JJ.
Jlpm setup is
a custom board by MOz 170x66 , 110 litres
SABFoil Kracken 93 mast 903k fuse
with a 799 front foil 399 stabiliser
North wave clear 3.7
There was so much water movement that the lift from the 799 was at times a handful, something a little smaller and thinner may have been easier

Sweet af

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2keen said..
Another great job filming and editing JJ.
Jlpm setup is
a custom board by MOz 170x66 , 110 litres
SABFoil Kracken 93 mast 903k fuse
with a 799 front foil 399 stabiliser
North wave clear 3.7
There was so much water movement that the lift from the 799 was at times a handful, something a little smaller and thinner may have been easier

Great riding Bro!
I am glad to hear you comment about the 799 in waves, I have felt similar. It's crazy but 999 can be easier for me because the lift from the wave increases more gradually and seems to top out where the 799 just creates more and more lift. While the two wings are in the same series they do have different design features, I wonder if the bigger one is thinner or thinner as a % of cord. I need to make up some surfboard shaper plywood calipers that can reach so I can measure this. The 999 has visibly less anhedral curve, ie it's flatter when looking from the nose to the tail.

At 15:30 Balz explains what he loves most about 799. The POP!


I may not ever get into jumping, not sure the 799 is the right wing for me in the ocean. I am having a blast on that wing though, it has really opened my eyes up to what smaller span and less area can do!

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utcminusfour said..

2keen said..
Another great job filming and editing JJ.
Jlpm setup is
a custom board by MOz 170x66 , 110 litres
SABFoil Kracken 93 mast 903k fuse
with a 799 front foil 399 stabiliser
North wave clear 3.7
There was so much water movement that the lift from the 799 was at times a handful, something a little smaller and thinner may have been easier

Great riding Bro!
I am glad to hear you comment about the 799 in waves, I have felt similar. It's crazy but 999 can be easier for me because the lift from the wave increases more gradually and seems to top out where the 799 just creates more and more lift. While the two wings are in the same series they do have different design features, I wonder if the bigger one is thinner or thinner as a % of cord. I need to make up some surfboard shaper plywood calipers that can reach so I can measure this. The 999 has visibly less anhedral curve, ie it's flatter when looking from the nose to the tail.

At 15:30 Balz explains what he loves most about 799. The POP!

I may not ever get into jumping, not sure the 799 is the right wing for me in the ocean. I am having a blast on that wing though, it has really opened my eyes up to what smaller span and less area can do!

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utcminusfour said..

2keen said..
Another great job filming and editing JJ.
Jlpm setup is
a custom board by MOz 170x66 , 110 litres
SABFoil Kracken 93 mast 903k fuse
with a 799 front foil 399 stabiliser
North wave clear 3.7
There was so much water movement that the lift from the 799 was at times a handful, something a little smaller and thinner may have been easier

Great riding Bro!
I am glad to hear you comment about the 799 in waves, I have felt similar. It's crazy but 999 can be easier for me because the lift from the wave increases more gradually and seems to top out where the 799 just creates more and more lift. While the two wings are in the same series they do have different design features, I wonder if the bigger one is thinner or thinner as a % of cord. I need to make up some surfboard shaper plywood calipers that can reach so I can measure this. The 999 has visibly less anhedral curve, ie it's flatter when looking from the nose to the tail.

At 15:30 Balz explains what he loves most about 799. The POP!

I may not ever get into jumping, not sure the 799 is the right wing for me in the ocean. I am having a blast on that wing though, it has really opened my eyes up to what smaller span and less area can do!

Hello ! I am new to this forum and good to see so much stoke for windfoiling!
Nice video Azymuth and amazing skills Simon!

Simon, could you please tell me/ us something about your experience with the new Kraken foilmast? Stiffness etc? Do you use the quicklocksystem and how does it cope sand etc? At the moment I use the 85 Moses tuttlemast..maybe thinking of "upgrading " because of strength, stiffness and quicklock. In Europe/ Holland we have a good trade in deal at the moment.

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azymuth said..
Who said foiling was only fun in light winds and flat water

Simon ripping yesterday in hectic onshore conditions - one of our best sessions

iPhone 12 camera

So nice wave sailing on the foil, we do have onshore conditions here in my area in Italy very often but very challenging to get out with a windsurf; the wind is perpendicular to the beah...probably with the foil...Iwill give it a go next winter, I wish one day I will get to your level of proficiency...very nice...congrats

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azymuth said..
Who said foiling was only fun in light winds and flat water

Simon ripping yesterday in hectic onshore conditions - one of our best sessions

iPhone 12 camera

So nice wave sailing on the foil, we do have onshore conditions here in my area in Italy very often but very challenging to get out with a windsurf; the wind is perpendicular to the beah...probably with the foil...Iwill give it a go next winter, I wish one day I will get to your level of proficiency...very nice...congrats

Welcome Krul1973, I was sailing the SAB Hs for 2 years (92 mast 899hs fuse) and have just taken advantage of the trade in deal you mentioned so my Kracken gear is brand new. I am not using the quick release but can say the mast/ top plate fitting is precision. Not very happy that SAB chose to go with m6 bolts to hold this together, IMO they should be m8 bolts.
Some of the mast/ fuse connections I looked at were "sloppy" without bots in. The fuse rocked front and back and side to side, again IMO not good enough for a premium product.
Compared to the Hs combo I was riding, I would say the Kracken is about 15% better ( hard to say why, probably a combination of a stiffer mast and a shorter chord)

David, the SAB website has a compare feature which allows you to select foils and compare them. Once selected you simply swipe between the various foil specs. 999 is 25.9mm thick
No question the 799 was designed for pop, and the fact that Balz is still using it 2 1/2 years on shows it's a great foil. I don't jump BUT I think for the type of freeride foiling I do the 799 is ideal. It pops up onto the foil easily, has good top speed low stall speed and turns great. It's medium aspect which makes it easier to ride than many high aspect foils. Doesn't mean it's perfect for everyone and as you have found the 999 has different characteristics which suit you better.


-3AYpiDiZKXNQ

Link doesn't seem to work, check
Damien LeRoy "Gear talk with Balz" on YouTube

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2keen said..
Link doesn't seem to work, check
Damien LeRoy "Gear talk with Balz" on YouTube

Same video David posted, sorry didn't recognise the thumb nail

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utcminusfour said..

2keen said..
Another great job filming and editing JJ.
Jlpm setup is
a custom board by MOz 170x66 , 110 litres
SABFoil Kracken 93 mast 903k fuse
with a 799 front foil 399 stabiliser
North wave clear 3.7
There was so much water movement that the lift from the 799 was at times a handful, something a little smaller and thinner may have been easier

Great riding Bro!
I am glad to hear you comment about the 799 in waves, I have felt similar. It's crazy but 999 can be easier for me because the lift from the wave increases more gradually and seems to top out where the 799 just creates more and more lift. While the two wings are in the same series they do have different design features, I wonder if the bigger one is thinner or thinner as a % of cord. I need to make up some surfboard shaper plywood calipers that can reach so I can measure this. The 999 has visibly less anhedral curve, ie it's flatter when looking from the nose to the tail.

At 15:30 Balz explains what he loves most about 799. The POP!

I may not ever get into jumping, not sure the 799 is the right wing for me in the ocean. I am having a blast on that wing though, it has really opened my eyes up to what smaller span and less area can do!

Simon,
Thanks for the website tip, that comparison tool is useful. Sadly the trade-in deal is not open to the US.
So the 999 is bigger AND thicker than the 799.... The reason I foil out more wave riding on the 799 must be speed. Velocity gets squared in the lift equation. So while it's only a little faster it makes exponentially more lift. I will keep charging with the 799 but increase the distance between the sail and foil some more.

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2keen said..
Welcome Krul1973, I was sailing the SAB Hs for 2 years (92 mast 899hs fuse) and have just taken advantage of the trade in deal you mentioned so my Kracken gear is brand new. I am not using the quick release but can say the mast/ top plate fitting is precision. Not very happy that SAB chose to go with m6 bolts to hold this together, IMO they should be m8 bolts.
Some of the mast/ fuse connections I looked at were "sloppy" without bots in. The fuse rocked front and back and side to side, again IMO not good enough for a premium product.
Compared to the Hs combo I was riding, I would say the Kracken is about 15% better ( hard to say why, probably a combination of a stiffer mast and a shorter chord)

David, the SAB website has a compare feature which allows you to select foils and compare them. Once selected you simply swipe between the various foil specs. 999 is 25.9mm thick
No question the 799 was designed for pop, and the fact that Balz is still using it 2 1/2 years on shows it's a great foil. I don't jump BUT I think for the type of freeride foiling I do the 799 is ideal. It pops up onto the foil easily, has good top speed low stall speed and turns great. It's medium aspect which makes it easier to ride than many high aspect foils. Doesn't mean it's perfect for everyone and as you have found the 999 has different characteristics which suit you better.

-3AYpiDiZKXNQ

Thanks for your answer Simon. So the Kraken is a little bit stiffer/ better but need some refinements.........or am I wrong? Is there someone else who has the same or other experiences with the Kraken system?

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Krul1973 said..

2keen said..
Welcome Krul1973, I was sailing the SAB Hs for 2 years (92 mast 899hs fuse) and have just taken advantage of the trade in deal you mentioned so my Kracken gear is brand new. I am not using the quick release but can say the mast/ top plate fitting is precision. Not very happy that SAB chose to go with m6 bolts to hold this together, IMO they should be m8 bolts.
Some of the mast/ fuse connections I looked at were "sloppy" without bots in. The fuse rocked front and back and side to side, again IMO not good enough for a premium product.
Compared to the Hs combo I was riding, I would say the Kracken is about 15% better ( hard to say why, probably a combination of a stiffer mast and a shorter chord)

David, the SAB website has a compare feature which allows you to select foils and compare them. Once selected you simply swipe between the various foil specs. 999 is 25.9mm thick
No question the 799 was designed for pop, and the fact that Balz is still using it 2 1/2 years on shows it's a great foil. I don't jump BUT I think for the type of freeride foiling I do the 799 is ideal. It pops up onto the foil easily, has good top speed low stall speed and turns great. It's medium aspect which makes it easier to ride than many high aspect foils. Doesn't mean it's perfect for everyone and as you have found the 999 has different characteristics which suit you better.

-3AYpiDiZKXNQ

Thanks for your answer Simon. So the Kraken is a little bit stiffer/ better but need some refinements.........or am I wrong? Is there someone else who has the same or other experiences with the Kraken system?

Just got the Kraken 93 mast 899 & 940 front wings.
Of course there was no wind last weekend (new gear curse). Looks and feels like a solid piece of kit.
Hopefully a session this weekend. Will report back...

Epic riding, you guys are scoring great conditions for WWF

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Mr Keen said..

Krul1973 said..

2keen said..
Welcome Krul1973, I was sailing the SAB Hs for 2 years (92 mast 899hs fuse) and have just taken advantage of the trade in deal you mentioned so my Kracken gear is brand new. I am not using the quick release but can say the mast/ top plate fitting is precision. Not very happy that SAB chose to go with m6 bolts to hold this together, IMO they should be m8 bolts.
Some of the mast/ fuse connections I looked at were "sloppy" without bots in. The fuse rocked front and back and side to side, again IMO not good enough for a premium product.
Compared to the Hs combo I was riding, I would say the Kracken is about 15% better ( hard to say why, probably a combination of a stiffer mast and a shorter chord)

David, the SAB website has a compare feature which allows you to select foils and compare them. Once selected you simply swipe between the various foil specs. 999 is 25.9mm thick
No question the 799 was designed for pop, and the fact that Balz is still using it 2 1/2 years on shows it's a great foil. I don't jump BUT I think for the type of freeride foiling I do the 799 is ideal. It pops up onto the foil easily, has good top speed low stall speed and turns great. It's medium aspect which makes it easier to ride than many high aspect foils. Doesn't mean it's perfect for everyone and as you have found the 999 has different characteristics which suit you better.

-3AYpiDiZKXNQ

Thanks for your answer Simon. So the Kraken is a little bit stiffer/ better but need some refinements.........or am I wrong? Is there someone else who has the same or other experiences with the Kraken system?

Just got the Kraken 93 mast 899 & 940 front wings.
Of course there was no wind last weekend (new gear curse). Looks and feels like a solid piece of kit.
Hopefully a session this weekend. Will report back...

Watching it again, it's my favourite of our videos - even though as always the camera doesn't quite capture how much energy was in those bumps.
Definitely one of our most challenging/fun of 1200+ foil sessions. Simon was crushing it

Still froth how foiling allows you to sail at crazy angles to the wind, ride bumps everywhere and downwind on anything - even in pretty ugly onshore windsurfing conditions

Vids are all here if anyone's interested;
vimeo.com/jjwindfoil