Here is a vid of some windfoilers ripping it up on what look to be small sails, big boards and big foils. In what look to be on more on shore type conditions.
Nice to see folks having fun

Very similar conditions to my local spot. Good to see others enjoying the stoke.

Thanks for sharing, good to live vicariously through others while I wait it out through hurricane season here in Baja.
Yeah John, just like Queens

Nice - looks like Casey's boards ?

Yea Casey's boards on Lake Erie

Reef warrior Super freak cult

5 windfoilers? did you edit out all the wings?

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Reef warrior Super freak cult

5 windfoilers? did you edit out all the wings?

Interesting you noticed the lack of wingers. A few years ago I chatted with someone (I believe one of this crew who also winged) he told me in light on shore conditions he preferred flagging small sails rather than wings which would tend to get in the way.

In the strapless foiling lane, with an important bonus of the light wind foiling, lane check out the recently introduced Tillo Element 8'2" (249 cm) by 32" (81cm) at 148 liters (light, built in Thailand ). Foil tracks not Tuttle. It's got waterline length for getting going in in light winds.

www.tillo-international.com/wave-element-2/

Blunt White
Stonington CT

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In the strapless foiling lane, with an important bonus of the light wind foiling, lane check out the recently introduced Tillo Element 8'2" (249 cm) by 32" (81cm) at 148 liters (light, built in Thailand ). Foil tracks not Tuttle. It's got waterline length for getting going in in light winds.

www.tillo-international.com/wave-element-2/

Blunt White
Stonington CT

And it is meant to be able to fin too right?

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BluntWhite said..
In the strapless foiling lane, with an important bonus of the light wind foiling, lane check out the recently introduced Tillo Element 8'2" (249 cm) by 32" (81cm) at 148 liters (light, built in Thailand ). Foil tracks not Tuttle. It's got waterline length for getting going in in light winds.

www.tillo-international.com/wave-element-2/

Blunt White
Stonington CT

I think the Tillo is the way to go to optimize for light winds - nice shape board

The only downside I see is in an hour long session we might only spend a few minutes getting up on foil - and 58 minutes flying around with unnecessary nose swing-weight.



If money-was-no-object I'd install a mast base and footstraps on a FLITELab jet board
I wonder if it would be easier to water-start in marginal winds if you had forward motion?

The jet would also be helpful for getting back in if the wind dropped completely.

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BluntWhite said..
In the strapless foiling lane, with an important bonus of the light wind foiling, lane check out the recently introduced Tillo Element 8'2" (249 cm) by 32" (81cm) at 148 liters (light, built in Thailand ). Foil tracks not Tuttle. It's got waterline length for getting going in in light winds.

www.tillo-international.com/wave-element-2/

Blunt White
Stonington CT

I think the Tillo is the way to go to optimize for light winds - nice shape board

The only downside I see is in an hour long session we might only spend a few minutes getting up on foil - and 58 minutes flying around with unnecessary nose swing-weight.



If money-was-no-object I'd install a mast base and footstraps on a FLITELab jet board
I wonder if it would be easier to water-start in marginal winds if you had forward motion?

The jet would also be helpful for getting back in if the wind dropped completely.

Yo JJ! You know I love cheerfully presenting a different view, right? I enjoy our convos!
The Tillo is close for me, but I bet that it has too much rocker for my taste and the thickness vanishes in the tail. Those are fin wave ridding details that I have found don't suit my foiling goals. Trying to optimize for too many things is always a challenge, I think combo boards are better suited to cross foil disciplines not from fin to foil. I think Sergio Kapul's Custom Tillo is closer to the mark. maybe a touch narrower?
Recently if I sail for an hour, I want to attempt 10-20 maneuvers that I can't make yet like foiling tacks and upwind 360's. When it is hard to get flying or challenging in general, I end up just mowing the lawn and gybing only in gusts. When I am comfortable and can get flying easy, I push harder, try move moves and progress faster. For me length and the nose are really useful. Maybe the swing weight is holding me back I don't know but currently I have more fun the easier it is to get going.
At the moment. money still can't make a powered board light. Flight lab says the battery alone weighs 4 kg and that's really good but a lot to add on top of the weight of a sailing rig, foil and board. I also like that the prop is enclosed. My mates expensive e-foil weighs 40+ pounds! There is a trend in foil assist to carry the battery on a waist harness, this is intriguing, but it means a wire from the remote to the board. That said, I am working a line item into the future budget for some foil assist.

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Hess said..
Here is a vid of some windfoilers ripping it up on what look to be small sails, big boards and big foils. In what look to be on more on shore type conditions.
Nice to see folks having fun

They run their boom extremely low! I have mine at chest height. Seems deliberate. Anyone knows what benefit this brings?

Tom,
In high winds, lowering the boom gives more control

Also when sailing DW out of the harness and milking the swell the boom is at a more comfortable height...

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Hess said..
Here is a vid of some windfoilers ripping it up on what look to be small sails, big boards and big foils. In what look to be on more on shore type conditions.
Nice to see folks having fun

They run their boom extremely low! I have mine at chest height. Seems deliberate. Anyone knows what benefit this brings?

I believe those reef warrior folks are often on kids rigs

Casey Treichler is the Reef Warrior shaper and the one who coined the term WWF. He has always been willing to field my questions; He is a legend and blessing for our sport! I asked him about boom height back in 2021, here is his reply.

Correct I like the boom at Chest level for WWF all the time. It just feels so nice and relaxed, and far easier transitions for wave riding. With WWF you use ? of the power compared to windsurfing or wind foiling. So you don't need the boom up high to leverage all that power. I can WWF all day and my shoulders arms and neck feel fine afterwards. That's one of my many complaints about Stringless kiting (Wingy). After a session on the wingy my neck/shoulders/ back hurt soo much for freaken days from holding that dang thing over your head. Anyways that's my reasons, but its all up to personal preference. ????

All the ReefWarriors guys are riding the boom very low as above.
Casey has custom kid Hotsail Superfreaks as often they are on 1m less than wingers in the same conditions (bigger foil & bigger boards).
They also have a custom front handle to the boom that allows them to flag the sail. Adapted from a wing front handle

Interesting, radically drop your boom height!

I strongly suggest moving the boom around and getting a feel for how it changes things. It's one of the first things I tune (unless I have adjustable outhaul on that setup, then I change that first). If it gets ripping, I drop the boom and it extends the range quite a bit. Just get off foil, float, drop, get going again. If the wind backs off, put it back up.

But yes, it feels so much better in the jibes having the boom lower, way easier to casually flip when the apparent wind is behind you deep downwind on a foil moving slower than the gusts.