Hi all
Did anybody try Slingshot Wizard 150 with a regular fin as a lightwind board? Would that work?

Use a fin with 45 - 60 cm length?

I just bought a Wizard 150 and instead of carrying two boards - it would be great to use the Wizard not only with foil setup but also as lightwind board with a large regular fin.
I tried to fit a normal Deep Tuttle Head but those are too high and do not fit. I would have to cut a part of the head of to make it work - that I do not want to do.
A simple Tuttle head is not high enough and will need a spacer. That I can do - but before I buy a new large tuttle head fin I want to ask if its worth doing it. Does it work?

I guess it would.....

Someone have any experience?

I don't think you need a spacer, as I use standard Tuttle fins in my deep Tuttle board all the time. Obviously, it doesn't work the other way around, but you should be good with standard Tuttle in the Wizard. Well, the fin would work. Not sure how it would handle.

Yea, thanks, the fin works. .... but how will the whole setup behave.... Anybody tried that?

I only have a deep tuttle - so to try I will need a tuttle. But before I buy I want to ask if anyone knows if it works.

Any experiences?

Why not just take the foil off the mast and try it like that? The rake will be all wrong but you'll get at least a little sense of how it loads. If you have the 61cm mast so much the better but it'll work with the 90. I've tried the 90 on my formula board with no foil - twitchy as hell off the wind but fun to windward.

@ awalkspoiled, so you tried it the other way round - thats funny...havent thought about that.

Good info though. Thanks. That may be an option just to try .... you right, will probably give an indication how a real fin would work.

Hope I can try this later today - Wizard with the 61cm mast and no wings on it. ... Sounds like a fun test, thanks man.

A shallow tuttle will work but honestly I don't see where you'd want to use it vs a foil.

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Grantmac said..
A shallow tuttle will work but honestly I don't see where you'd want to use it vs a foil.

There are sailing sites that are unfoilable because of water depth - in the US FL, OBX, etc. My big foilboard is a convertible for that reason. Having said that, those are the only places I use the fin. Why I even carry them on a day to day basis in my van is a mystery.

Other than that - absolutely agree.

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Paducah said..
There are sailing sites that are unfoilable because of water depth - in the US FL, OBX, etc.

I think using a 45 or 60 cm mast with a foil would be more fun than using a Wizard 150 with a large fin at these spots. You'll have to be more careful with back foot placement and pressure to avoid spin outs, and you have to control height carefully, but shallow spots tend to be flat, which makes it easier.

OBX has a bunch of places where you can use a 71 cm mast. Waves at the ABK site at Barton's shop is no problem in any wind direction. I've also foiled Avon from Island Creek when the water level was high with the 71 cm mast. A 90 cm mast works in Waves most days but requires a longer walk.

A 71 cm mast is also perfect for Bird Island in Corpus Christi most days. I've seen guys with 90 cm masts have problems there, though.

Short mast with foil is the best solution.

What is ther shortest lenght that makes fun?

Perhaps it's also funny with a 45cm mast with 2020 Wizard that has deep concaves and doesn't stick to the water like the old one when you touch down?

I just tried a 90cm mast only...that is working but strange feeling...perhaps because do foil only sith 9 month....but I would be also interessted how the wizard works with fin....just to less wind to test that...I guess the 2019 doesn't work....teh 2020 125 has lot of concaves in the underwater ship....I guess this is needed to have fun with a fin....

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boardsurfr said..

Paducah said..
There are sailing sites that are unfoilable because of water depth - in the US FL, OBX, etc.

I think using a 45 or 60 cm mast with a foil would be more fun than using a Wizard 150 with a large fin at these spots. You'll have to be more careful with back foot placement and pressure to avoid spin outs, and you have to control height carefully, but shallow spots tend to be flat, which makes it easier.

OBX has a bunch of places where you can use a 71 cm mast. Waves at the ABK site at Barton's shop is no problem in any wind direction. I've also foiled Avon from Island Creek when the water level was high with the 71 cm mast. A 90 cm mast works in Waves most days but requires a longer walk.

A 71 cm mast is also perfect for Bird Island in Corpus Christi most days. I've seen guys with 90 cm masts have problems there, though.

My board was designed to sail well with a fin. It's quite different than the Wizard. The new RRD Y25 is similar in design.

Having spent time on a 75 a couple years ago and now on 85 and 95s, I really don't want to go down to a 70 or less. Where I stay it's a long walk out to deeper water. LIke really long. The reason I go there is to sail with friends I don't see very often to driving to a deeper location kind of defeats the purpose of being there.

I certainly see your points if I had a Wizard and SS foils.

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michaelpaf said..
What is ther shortest lenght that makes fun?

Perhaps it's also funny with a 45cm mast with 2020 Wizard that has deep concaves and doesn't stick to the water like the old one when you touch down?

Good question. I have had lots of fun on the 45, but my board is an old 71 cm slalom board where touchdowns are a non-event - they don't even cause much of a slowdown most of the time. I can imagine that's different on wide, shorter boards, but have not sailed Wizards enough to know.

Using the 45 is very different from using a 90 cm mast, since you have to watch height and back foot pressure all the time. Going upwind is more "semi-foiling", with the board touching the water a lot. But the next sessions afterwards with a longer mast feel so easy . I'll switch to longer masts when possible - 61 cm is easier, 71 cm quite nice until the chop or swell gets bigger. At my home spot, the 90 cm mast comes out only for sessions around high tide.

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Carvstar said..
Hi all
Did anybody try Slingshot Wizard 150 with a regular fin as a lightwind board? Would that work?

Use a fin with 45 - 60 cm length?

I just bought a Wizard 150 and instead of carrying two boards - it would be great to use the Wizard not only with foil setup but also as lightwind board with a large regular fin.
I tried to fit a normal Deep Tuttle Head but those are too high and do not fit. I would have to cut a part of the head of to make it work - that I do not want to do.
A simple Tuttle head is not high enough and will need a spacer. That I can do - but before I buy a new large tuttle head fin I want to ask if its worth doing it. Does it work?

I guess it would.....

Someone have any experience?

The same idea occurred to me where I have first seen the JP Freefoil board with parallel tracks and the tuttle box. For wingfoiling or windfoiling I want use the tracks for foil mounting and some times the tuttle box with fin for windsurfing. I just wonder at what windspeed the board can be used as a windsurfer, so that I can buy the right sail size right away.