I hadn't tested the W130 with the i99 wing very much since receiving the board. We have had decent wind this Fall and majority of the time I have been on the TC 68, i76 or i84, so it was time to put it through its light wind paces.

This was also the first day on a new Naish 5.8 sprint sail (straight out the bag) and so it was still pretty stiff and obviously not broken in yet and so pumping was a bit limited.

Sunday - Wind started out pretty good as we were rigging up and bolted on the i76, we launched but the wind dropped off very quick, went back and bolted on the i84 and had a great blast for about 45 mins. Then the wind dropped off even more! The lake we sail in a North wind means a massive wind shadow for about 300 - 400 feet then you can hit the wind line.

By the time I had bolted on the i99 it was a real struggle to even schlog upwind to the wind line. The wind was ripples at best with a pocket here and there and so timing was everything. Moving the i99 forward in the tracks is the key, once you get that dialed in the foil will pop you up and the i99 wing will chug along like an old cummings diesel engine, you're not breaking any speed records but gives you a fighting chance of connecting to the next puff.

Nice Dean. I have been experimenting with trying to make the i76 and a bigger sail (eg 7m v 6m) work in the marginal winds. Normally in those marginal winds I would take the i99 and 5.7 or 6m. I had been starting to wonder if the i99 was overkill.....and I find the i99 becomes a handful when the wind picks up, so wanted to experiment with the i76 and bigger sails. After a few sessions, I have concluded that the i99 gives me a lot more foil time-than i76 and a one size bigger sail-and its a lot less tiring using a smaller sail. I think this confirms what many of us have said before, but I was starting to wonder if we had gone too big with i99, I guess not :). The only way to compete with the i99 (or moses 1100) in marginal winds, would be full-on race gear.

Nice, I use a 9.0 sail and AFS Wind95 foil with F800 1120 cm2 wing for those same conditions, also insert two AFS 0.5 mm stab. shims. On a Goya Bolt 135, so do have to move my front foot forward to level out the board until I get planing, since the narrow thiner tail sinks. But only need to pump the sail 1-3 times max to get up, I weigh 190 lb with gear on.

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Nice Dean. I have been experimenting with trying to make the i76 and a bigger sail (eg 7m v 6m) work in the marginal winds. Normally in those marginal winds I would take the i99 and 5.7 or 6m. I had been starting to wonder if the i99 was overkill.....and I find the i99 becomes a handful when the wind picks up, so wanted to experiment with the i76 and bigger sails. After a few sessions, I have concluded that the i99 gives me a lot more foil time-than i76 and a one size bigger sail-and its a lot less tiring using a smaller sail. I think this confirms what many of us have said before, but I was starting to wonder if we had gone too big with i99, I guess not :). The only way to compete with the i99 (or moses 1100) in marginal winds, would be full-on race gear.

Thank you, I agree the i99 does get a bit much over 15 knots and I have been using the i76 much more with the W130 than I ever did with the W125 board.

Lower back issues make the 9/10 meter sail, barn door foiling thing difficult for me. I went down that route in the very beginning and just uphauling a huge rig and dealing with all the rig pressure wasn't worth literally the pain.

I prefer the free-foiling route and covering 5-18 knots with one sail and handful of wings

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thedoor said..
Nice Dean. I have been experimenting with trying to make the i76 and a bigger sail (eg 7m v 6m) work in the marginal winds. Normally in those marginal winds I would take the i99 and 5.7 or 6m. I had been starting to wonder if the i99 was overkill.....and I find the i99 becomes a handful when the wind picks up, so wanted to experiment with the i76 and bigger sails. After a few sessions, I have concluded that the i99 gives me a lot more foil time-than i76 and a one size bigger sail-and its a lot less tiring using a smaller sail. I think this confirms what many of us have said before, but I was starting to wonder if we had gone too big with i99, I guess not :). The only way to compete with the i99 (or moses 1100) in marginal winds, would be full-on race gear.

Thank you, I agree the i99 does get a bit much over 15 knots and I have been using the i76 much more with the W130 than I ever did with the W125 board.

Lower back issues make the 9/10 meter sail, barn door foiling thing difficult for me. I went down that route in the very beginning and just uphauling a huge rig and dealing with all the rig pressure wasn't worth literally the pain.

I prefer the free-foiling route and covering 5-18 knots with one sail and handful of wings

interesting, one sail many wings, so different flight speeds depending on the wing. I agree about uphauling a 9.0, but I normally do a "easy beach start" which takes very little effort to uphaul the sail, whatever the size.

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CoreAS said..

thedoor said..
Nice Dean. I have been experimenting with trying to make the i76 and a bigger sail (eg 7m v 6m) work in the marginal winds. Normally in those marginal winds I would take the i99 and 5.7 or 6m. I had been starting to wonder if the i99 was overkill.....and I find the i99 becomes a handful when the wind picks up, so wanted to experiment with the i76 and bigger sails. After a few sessions, I have concluded that the i99 gives me a lot more foil time-than i76 and a one size bigger sail-and its a lot less tiring using a smaller sail. I think this confirms what many of us have said before, but I was starting to wonder if we had gone too big with i99, I guess not :). The only way to compete with the i99 (or moses 1100) in marginal winds, would be full-on race gear.

Thank you, I agree the i99 does get a bit much over 15 knots and I have been using the i76 much more with the W130 than I ever did with the W125 board.

Lower back issues make the 9/10 meter sail, barn door foiling thing difficult for me. I went down that route in the very beginning and just uphauling a huge rig and dealing with all the rig pressure wasn't worth literally the pain.

I prefer the free-foiling route and covering 5-18 knots with one sail and handful of wings

interesting, one sail many wings, so different flight speeds depending on the wing. I agree about uphauling a 9.0, but I normally do a "easy beach start" which takes very little effort to uphaul the sail, whatever the size.

Cheaper to buy a bigger wing ;) plus a smaller rig is much more fun when the wind picks up a bit.

9.0 means buying longer mast and big boom, then you get back ache, neck ache and ass ache carrying it back and forth. The bigger sails just create weight and drag, not needed for free foiling.

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Sandman1221 said..

CoreAS said..

thedoor said..
Nice Dean. I have been experimenting with trying to make the i76 and a bigger sail (eg 7m v 6m) work in the marginal winds. Normally in those marginal winds I would take the i99 and 5.7 or 6m. I had been starting to wonder if the i99 was overkill.....and I find the i99 becomes a handful when the wind picks up, so wanted to experiment with the i76 and bigger sails. After a few sessions, I have concluded that the i99 gives me a lot more foil time-than i76 and a one size bigger sail-and its a lot less tiring using a smaller sail. I think this confirms what many of us have said before, but I was starting to wonder if we had gone too big with i99, I guess not :). The only way to compete with the i99 (or moses 1100) in marginal winds, would be full-on race gear.

Thank you, I agree the i99 does get a bit much over 15 knots and I have been using the i76 much more with the W130 than I ever did with the W125 board.

Lower back issues make the 9/10 meter sail, barn door foiling thing difficult for me. I went down that route in the very beginning and just uphauling a huge rig and dealing with all the rig pressure wasn't worth literally the pain.

I prefer the free-foiling route and covering 5-18 knots with one sail and handful of wings

interesting, one sail many wings, so different flight speeds depending on the wing. I agree about uphauling a 9.0, but I normally do a "easy beach start" which takes very little effort to uphaul the sail, whatever the size.

Cheaper to buy a bigger wing ;) plus a smaller rig is much more fun when the wind picks up a bit.

9.0 means buying longer mast and big boom, then you get back ache, neck ache and ass ache carrying it back and forth. The bigger sails just create weight and drag, not needed for free foiling.

If you are starting out, yes, but I had it all for windsurfing, the Freespeed 9.0 is pretty light, I can uphaul it with one hand wrapped around a strap attached to the uphaul line, and the Epic 200-260 carbon boom is not much more than my 160-220 carbon boom. But it always feels nice to be out on my Freespeed 5.8!

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CoreAS said..

Sandman1221 said..

CoreAS said..

thedoor said..
Nice Dean. I have been experimenting with trying to make the i76 and a bigger sail (eg 7m v 6m) work in the marginal winds. Normally in those marginal winds I would take the i99 and 5.7 or 6m. I had been starting to wonder if the i99 was overkill.....and I find the i99 becomes a handful when the wind picks up, so wanted to experiment with the i76 and bigger sails. After a few sessions, I have concluded that the i99 gives me a lot more foil time-than i76 and a one size bigger sail-and its a lot less tiring using a smaller sail. I think this confirms what many of us have said before, but I was starting to wonder if we had gone too big with i99, I guess not :). The only way to compete with the i99 (or moses 1100) in marginal winds, would be full-on race gear.

Thank you, I agree the i99 does get a bit much over 15 knots and I have been using the i76 much more with the W130 than I ever did with the W125 board.

Lower back issues make the 9/10 meter sail, barn door foiling thing difficult for me. I went down that route in the very beginning and just uphauling a huge rig and dealing with all the rig pressure wasn't worth literally the pain.

I prefer the free-foiling route and covering 5-18 knots with one sail and handful of wings

interesting, one sail many wings, so different flight speeds depending on the wing. I agree about uphauling a 9.0, but I normally do a "easy beach start" which takes very little effort to uphaul the sail, whatever the size.

Cheaper to buy a bigger wing ;) plus a smaller rig is much more fun when the wind picks up a bit.

9.0 means buying longer mast and big boom, then you get back ache, neck ache and ass ache carrying it back and forth. The bigger sails just create weight and drag, not needed for free foiling.

If you are starting out, yes, but I had it all for windsurfing, the Freespeed 9.0 is pretty light, I can uphaul it with one hand wrapped around a strap attached to the uphaul line, and the Epic 200-260 carbon boom is not much more than my 160-220 carbon boom. But it always feels nice to be out on my Freespeed 5.8!

Say no to 7.0 let alone 9.0

My biggest sail windsurfing was 8.4 Maui sails, I didn't want to go formula and all that expense, so when I tried using the 8.4 for foiling it was like a blacksmiths anvil sitting on the board, just terrible! then switched to 7.8 NP RS: flight, F4 foil and JP135 and the amount of stress it put on my lower back meant 2 days of paying for it (2 ruptured discs and sciatica is a ball breaker), so that began the quest of efficiency...

Over the years I improved my rig and board pumping technique and got it down to a 6.4 RAF sail, then slingshot came along and I was foiling the infinity 99 wing with a 5.8 last year, that was the game changer.

Basically there are 2 camps: big sail, big board and high aspect racing foil OR small sail, efficient board and low aspect foil..you just have to choose which route you want to go down and what works for you.

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Sandman1221 said..

CoreAS said..

Sandman1221 said..

CoreAS said..

thedoor said..
Nice Dean. I have been experimenting with trying to make the i76 and a bigger sail (eg 7m v 6m) work in the marginal winds. Normally in those marginal winds I would take the i99 and 5.7 or 6m. I had been starting to wonder if the i99 was overkill.....and I find the i99 becomes a handful when the wind picks up, so wanted to experiment with the i76 and bigger sails. After a few sessions, I have concluded that the i99 gives me a lot more foil time-than i76 and a one size bigger sail-and its a lot less tiring using a smaller sail. I think this confirms what many of us have said before, but I was starting to wonder if we had gone too big with i99, I guess not :). The only way to compete with the i99 (or moses 1100) in marginal winds, would be full-on race gear.

Thank you, I agree the i99 does get a bit much over 15 knots and I have been using the i76 much more with the W130 than I ever did with the W125 board.

Lower back issues make the 9/10 meter sail, barn door foiling thing difficult for me. I went down that route in the very beginning and just uphauling a huge rig and dealing with all the rig pressure wasn't worth literally the pain.

I prefer the free-foiling route and covering 5-18 knots with one sail and handful of wings

interesting, one sail many wings, so different flight speeds depending on the wing. I agree about uphauling a 9.0, but I normally do a "easy beach start" which takes very little effort to uphaul the sail, whatever the size.

Cheaper to buy a bigger wing ;) plus a smaller rig is much more fun when the wind picks up a bit.

9.0 means buying longer mast and big boom, then you get back ache, neck ache and ass ache carrying it back and forth. The bigger sails just create weight and drag, not needed for free foiling.

If you are starting out, yes, but I had it all for windsurfing, the Freespeed 9.0 is pretty light, I can uphaul it with one hand wrapped around a strap attached to the uphaul line, and the Epic 200-260 carbon boom is not much more than my 160-220 carbon boom. But it always feels nice to be out on my Freespeed 5.8!

Say no to 7.0 let alone 9.0

My biggest sail windsurfing was 8.4 Maui sails, I didn't want to go formula and all that expense, so when I tried using the 8.4 for foiling it was like a blacksmiths anvil sitting on the board, just terrible! then switched to 7.8 NP RS: flight, F4 foil and JP135 and the amount of stress it put on my lower back meant 2 days of paying for it (2 ruptured discs and sciatica is a ball breaker), so that began the quest of efficiency...

Over the years I improved my rig and board pumping technique and got it down to a 6.4 RAF sail, then slingshot came along and I was foiling the infinity 99 wing with a 5.8 last year, that was the game changer.

Basically there are 2 camps: big sail, big board and high aspect racing foil OR small sail, efficient board and low aspect foil..you just have to choose which route you want to go down and what works for you.

I certainly do envy what those race foilers can do in marginal wind. I was hoping to find a middle ground but it seems like you have to be all in: either 8m+ sail or 2k+ foil.

G'day slingshot foilers. I took out my 130 v3 for the first time today and I feel obligated to pass on my findings. My first mistake was while setting the board up,I had the w 125 in the back of my mind....that was a "biggie". Hours later , please consider weight and age 70 kg and 74. My final ball park set up was sail mast track about mid slot or 125 mm from slot front, while the mast wing slider was 2 mm from zero mark. Front foot straps internal and one screw back. No back straps . After reading Jesper's bad luck,I must Remember tighten straps up to avoid putting foot in to far.
wind had picked up to 10 -12 knots and with a bagged out 6.0 sail I was a bit overpowered but flying level enough.
I hope these numbers help towards tuning.
Hey Jesper reach out, we are all focusing the good vibes your way.....they Work

Interesting to see your back foot in front of the back strap .... that's where I usually have mine (not running a back strap). I find the narrower stance allows me to engage my hips more and feel free to manoeuvre the board better.
Anyone tried the back strap in the more forward position ... I'm using a 114?

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G'day slingshot foilers. I took out my 130 v3 for the first time today and I feel obligated to pass on my findings. My first mistake was while setting the board up,I had the w 125 in the back of my mind....that was a "biggie". Hours later , please consider weight and age 70 kg and 74. My final ball park set up was sail mast track about mid slot or 125 mm from slot front, while the mast wing slider was 2 mm from zero mark. Front foot straps internal and one screw back. No back straps . After reading Jesper's bad luck,I must Remember tighten straps up to avoid putting foot in to far.
wind had picked up to 10 -12 knots and with a bagged out 6.0 sail I was a bit overpowered but flying level enough.
I hope these numbers help towards tuning.
Hey Jesper reach out, we are all focusing the good vibes your way.....they Work

G'Day micks1

I had initially set the W130 like the W125 as well, didn't really work out

for foil base location (and this will defer slightly depending on weight, height and sail etc) my settings so far all in B on the fuse..

Time Code 68 #2
Infinity 76 # 1.5 or 2
Infinity 84 #5
Infinity 99 # 6.5

Thanks CoreAS,
your #s will help me take the blindfold off setting up. Yesterday I had the i76 on in B position. I'll swap to the 84 also in B next time and use a much smaller sail.

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Thanks CoreAS,
your #s will help me take the blindfold off setting up. Yesterday I had the i76 on in B position. I'll swap to the 84 also in B next time and use a much smaller sail.

Dean (CoreAS) is the freeride foil light-wind guru

A few days ago iwas able to test my 130l Wizard with i76 an 5.7 in maybe 10-12 kts.
Do you also have a Lot of preasure in the Font foot? Masttrack was in the Center, fuse Position B trackbox was Set to the very Back, footstraps inboard position in the very Front.

I am hoping to be able to test again tomorrow even wegen the temperatures in germany are very low right now. As soon aus i am able to drop a Link here, i will Post an video of the first flight. You can already find it on YouTube searching for holger_testet slingshot Wizard 2021

Amy suggestions on less preasure in the Front foot? Maybe Position A right trough the Wing?

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A few days ago iwas able to test my 130l Wizard with i76 an 5.7 in maybe 10-12 kts.
Do you also have a Lot of preasure in the Font foot? Masttrack was in the Center, fuse Position B trackbox was Set to the very Back, footstraps inboard position in the very Front.

I am hoping to be able to test again tomorrow even wegen the temperatures in germany are very low right now. As soon aus i am able to drop a Link here, i will Post an video of the first flight. You can already find it on YouTube searching for holger_testet slingshot Wizard 2021

Amy suggestions on less preasure in the Front foot? Maybe Position A right trough the Wing?

I tried searching for the link but I couldn't find it?

95% foilers will probably say leave in position B, I have only tried A for winging and it was a no like from me.

If you have the back of base plate at 1.5 or 2 on the wizard 130 then that's correct, sounds like you may need to move the footstraps back to the center screw hole (I have mine inboard as well) and move the mast base back a little bit.

You also have to change your foiling stance a bit, that i76 is powerful wing and so leaning forwards a bit helps you put weight on your front leg.

Once you get it dialed in the whole combination is amazing and its my go to set up for winds 12-20

That was my Position for the i76 today. I am not shure if i can go any more backwards than this

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A few days ago iwas able to test my 130l Wizard with i76 an 5.7 in maybe 10-12 kts.
Do you also have a Lot of preasure in the Font foot? Masttrack was in the Center, fuse Position B trackbox was Set to the very Back, footstraps inboard position in the very Front.

I am hoping to be able to test again tomorrow even wegen the temperatures in germany are very low right now. As soon aus i am able to drop a Link here, i will Post an video of the first flight. You can already find it on YouTube searching for holger_testet slingshot Wizard 2021

Amy suggestions on less preasure in the Front foot? Maybe Position A right trough the Wing?

I thought the goal was to have lots of front foot pressure? Without it I have no hope of foiling through gybes.

I agree with core, no on A position and get comfortable with about 70% of your weight on the front foot. For most of my foiling I can easily lift my back heel. If you have a lot of front foot pressure and are breaching excessively then move your universal forwards, but it doesn't sound like this is the case.

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Nice, I use a 9.0 sail and AFS Wind95 foil with F800 1120 cm2 wing for those same conditions, also insert two AFS 0.5 mm stab. shims. On a Goya Bolt 135, so do have to move my front foot forward to level out the board until I get planing, since the narrow thiner tail sinks. But only need to pump the sail 1-3 times max to get up, I weigh 190 lb with gear on.

Now using an 8.0 in those conditions, takes a little pumping of the board and sail, but much lighter rig is worth it.