Quick review - 2019 Slingshot Hover Glide FWIND - Infinity 76 Big Wing

Just yesterday I retired my old Bellacera foil. It was getting soft and bendy, and the epoxy carbon was starting to come apart in places. Can't complain about the 3 years of service it gave me.

Since I had three Slingshot masts for the Bellacera, I "upgraded" to the i76 and 42 and 782 fuse with parts and fasteners. Yesterday I got out on it in very light conditions. Holy cow, what a nice silky ride. Solid ride.

Today in central Florida, the wind will be a bit stronger. I plan to ride it again. Here in hyper-sailine Florida, I plan to disassemble and tefgel all connections about once a week.

That second day on the i76 had a lot more wind, so I could use a 5.0. Silky and solid ride.

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Lecum said..
Hello. Which is the suitable board range for the infinity 76? I mean can you use a 65 cm wide board or is it too narrow for this kind of foils? Why?

My primary board for the i76 is 71 cm wide. Can't see why a 65 would not work. I believe race foils need the wider boards to handle the leverage of the high aspect foils, I dont think this as much of an issue for freeride foils

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Lecum said..Hello. Which is the suitable board range for the infinity 76? I mean can you use a 65 cm wide board or is it too narrow for this kind of foils? Why?

The Infinity 76 works great with the SS Freestyle 87L which is 69 cm wide.
The narrow tail of the 87 makes gybing a little tricky at first but no probs when you get used to it.

So if your 65cm board has a wide 'ish tail you should be fine.



Infinity 76 and FS 87L

99 and 76 seem like the best combo. 84 is a lot of overlap with the 76 in terms of getting going but significantly slower.

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excav8ter said..
I was able to demo an i76 tonight. Plenty of wind for my Flyer 6.0 for power. Rigged up and set the sail mast in the center of the mast track. Had the i76 in "B" position wit the 42 rear stabilizer mounted tips up. Foil mast was mounted about ?" forward from where i normally set the i84.
I got on the water and quickly came up on foil, but was riding very nose high. The board was very hard to control and kept wanting to over foil. I moved the sail mast forward about 1" and moved the foil mast back about 3/4". Went back out and was still getting that nose up feeling and very unstable flight.

Any thoughts as to what I am doing wrong in my set-up?

6"4" 225lbs

Do you normally run the 84 in B or C? Settings (foil track, mast track and straps) were basically the same for me with 84 in C and 76 in B. The only thing I can think is that your board is set up for 84 in B and therefore the 76 in B was too far forward.

The 76 is a killer wing, when toy grade things balanced I think you will love it.

Excav8ter

I know what you mean regarding the lift on the i76 the problem is I haven't foiled it for a while and haven't tinkered with settings.

I prefer B/42 for every front wing but the 76 gives me almost too much lift and it can get squirley in certain winds... I'm thinking it must be mast base pressure as I have mine base pretty far back? and perhaps because we are heavier than most?

its interesting that the 70-85 kg crew love the i76 as there all rounder but for me the i84 is my go to when its 10-20 and at 25+ I go straight to the Time Code 68 so it leaves me with a very narrow wind window for the i76.

I watched a foiling bud bolt the i76 on his slalom board, shoot straight up, he couldn't unhook or bring the front of the board down and heard him shout "sh!tttttttt" for a good hundred yards before wiping out, so we are not the only ones, ha!

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excav8ter said..

thedoor said..

excav8ter said..
I was able to demo an i76 tonight. Plenty of wind for my Flyer 6.0 for power. Rigged up and set the sail mast in the center of the mast track. Had the i76 in "B" position wit the 42 rear stabilizer mounted tips up. Foil mast was mounted about ?" forward from where i normally set the i84.
I got on the water and quickly came up on foil, but was riding very nose high. The board was very hard to control and kept wanting to over foil. I moved the sail mast forward about 1" and moved the foil mast back about 3/4". Went back out and was still getting that nose up feeling and very unstable flight.

Any thoughts as to what I am doing wrong in my set-up?

6"4" 225lbs

Do you normally run the 84 in B or C? Settings (foil track, mast track and straps) were basically the same for me with 84 in C and 76 in B. The only thing I can think is that your board is set up for 84 in B and therefore the 76 in B was too far forward.

The 76 is a killer wing, when toy grade things balanced I think you will love it.

I use the 84 and 99 in B position and that works well for me. It felt exactly as though the wing was too far forward. Perhaps I need position A for the i76?
My board is a Levitator 160. The pictures show where I position the foil mast for the i99 and i84.

Sounds like you are one of these outliers who likes the 99 and 84 in B ;) I think bigger guys get away with this, noway I could at 75kgs. If that is the case you must have set your kit up to ride comfortably in B which likely means your straps and sail mast are further back, than if you rode the 99/84 in C. But with the 76 in B those same straps and mast track are too far back, but it looks like you cannot move the foil mast back enough to adjust.

I would not do A position for the 76. If it was me (and I liked the 99/84 in B) I would put the foil mast for the 99 all the way forward and then adjust my straps and mast base forward to balance the see-saw. Then when you ride the 76 in B you move it back in the foil track (probably 5+ inches relative to the 99 in B)

As an example with my 76 in B position and everything balanced (straps/sail mast), my board was unridable in the 99 in C position (same foil track position), 99 in B would have been much worse.

Also you may need to scoot the 84 in B back a bit relative to the 99 in B, as its lift will be more forward due to higher speeds than the 99 but no where near as much of a difference of the 76 in B

let us know

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excav8ter said..

thedoor said..

excav8ter said..

thedoor said..

excav8ter said..
I was able to demo an i76 tonight. Plenty of wind for my Flyer 6.0 for power. Rigged up and set the sail mast in the center of the mast track. Had the i76 in "B" position wit the 42 rear stabilizer mounted tips up. Foil mast was mounted about ?" forward from where i normally set the i84.
I got on the water and quickly came up on foil, but was riding very nose high. The board was very hard to control and kept wanting to over foil. I moved the sail mast forward about 1" and moved the foil mast back about 3/4". Went back out and was still getting that nose up feeling and very unstable flight.

Any thoughts as to what I am doing wrong in my set-up?

6"4" 225lbs

Do you normally run the 84 in B or C? Settings (foil track, mast track and straps) were basically the same for me with 84 in C and 76 in B. The only thing I can think is that your board is set up for 84 in B and therefore the 76 in B was too far forward.

The 76 is a killer wing, when toy grade things balanced I think you will love it.

I use the 84 and 99 in B position and that works well for me. It felt exactly as though the wing was too far forward. Perhaps I need position A for the i76?
My board is a Levitator 160. The pictures show where I position the foil mast for the i99 and i84.

Sounds like you are one of these outliers who likes the 99 and 84 in B ;) I think bigger guys get away with this, noway I could at 75kgs. If that is the case you must have set your kit up to ride comfortably in B which likely means your straps and sail mast are further back, than if you rode the 99/84 in C. But with the 76 in B those same straps and mast track are too far back, but it looks like you cannot move the foil mast back enough to adjust.

I would not do A position for the 76. If it was me (and I liked the 99/84 in B) I would put the foil mast for the 99 all the way forward and then adjust my straps and mast base forward to balance the see-saw. Then when you ride the 76 in B you move it back in the foil track (probably 5+ inches relative to the 99 in B)

As an example with my 76 in B position and everything balanced (straps/sail mast), my board was unridable in the 99 in C position (same foil track position), 99 in B would have been much worse.

Also you may need to scoot the 84 in B back a bit relative to the 99 in B, as its lift will be more forward due to higher speeds than the 99 but no where near as much of a difference of the 76 in B

let us know

I have my footstraps in the most forward position and mounted inboard, and my sail mast in the center of the mast track unless I'm getting overpowered. Then I move it ahead an inch or two.
Generally speaking I use the i99 and i84 in similar foil mast positions.

"A" position is looking like the only way to move the front wing back. Which seems weird to me, because I feel like the smaller i76 would need to be moved forward to generate lift. But I guss it makes sense that it gets slid backwards do to lift being created at higher speeds.

I checked my rear stabilizer and it is mounted tips up when foiling.... the i76 wing tips are pointed down when in the water and stab wings are pointed up.

That does seem a bit weird but maybe that is how it is for big dudes.

Is it possible that you are riding with a backfoot bias instead of front foot?

Can you foil through the lulls easy? When things are set up with wrong for me and I have a back foot bias then in the lulls I do not have the option of increasing back foot pressure to maintain flight.

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thedoor said..

excav8ter said..

thedoor said..

excav8ter said..

thedoor said..

excav8ter said..
I was able to demo an i76 tonight. Plenty of wind for my Flyer 6.0 for power. Rigged up and set the sail mast in the center of the mast track. Had the i76 in "B" position wit the 42 rear stabilizer mounted tips up. Foil mast was mounted about ?" forward from where i normally set the i84.
I got on the water and quickly came up on foil, but was riding very nose high. The board was very hard to control and kept wanting to over foil. I moved the sail mast forward about 1" and moved the foil mast back about 3/4". Went back out and was still getting that nose up feeling and very unstable flight.

Any thoughts as to what I am doing wrong in my set-up?

6"4" 225lbs

Do you normally run the 84 in B or C? Settings (foil track, mast track and straps) were basically the same for me with 84 in C and 76 in B. The only thing I can think is that your board is set up for 84 in B and therefore the 76 in B was too far forward.

The 76 is a killer wing, when toy grade things balanced I think you will love it.

I use the 84 and 99 in B position and that works well for me. It felt exactly as though the wing was too far forward. Perhaps I need position A for the i76?
My board is a Levitator 160. The pictures show where I position the foil mast for the i99 and i84.

Sounds like you are one of these outliers who likes the 99 and 84 in B ;) I think bigger guys get away with this, noway I could at 75kgs. If that is the case you must have set your kit up to ride comfortably in B which likely means your straps and sail mast are further back, than if you rode the 99/84 in C. But with the 76 in B those same straps and mast track are too far back, but it looks like you cannot move the foil mast back enough to adjust.

I would not do A position for the 76. If it was me (and I liked the 99/84 in B) I would put the foil mast for the 99 all the way forward and then adjust my straps and mast base forward to balance the see-saw. Then when you ride the 76 in B you move it back in the foil track (probably 5+ inches relative to the 99 in B)

As an example with my 76 in B position and everything balanced (straps/sail mast), my board was unridable in the 99 in C position (same foil track position), 99 in B would have been much worse.

Also you may need to scoot the 84 in B back a bit relative to the 99 in B, as its lift will be more forward due to higher speeds than the 99 but no where near as much of a difference of the 76 in B

let us know

I have my footstraps in the most forward position and mounted inboard, and my sail mast in the center of the mast track unless I'm getting overpowered. Then I move it ahead an inch or two.
Generally speaking I use the i99 and i84 in similar foil mast positions.

"A" position is looking like the only way to move the front wing back. Which seems weird to me, because I feel like the smaller i76 would need to be moved forward to generate lift. But I guss it makes sense that it gets slid backwards do to lift being created at higher speeds.

I checked my rear stabilizer and it is mounted tips up when foiling.... the i76 wing tips are pointed down when in the water and stab wings are pointed up.

That does seem a bit weird but maybe that is how it is for big dudes.

Is it possible that you are riding with a backfoot bias instead of front foot?

Can you foil through the lulls easy? When things are set up with wrong for me and I have a back foot bias then in the lulls I do not have the option of increasing back foot pressure to maintain flight.

Our lulls in the great lakes are difficult to fly through. But for the most part I am able to maintain flight. But many times the wind drops so dramatically that I cannot stay on foil.

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thedoor said..
In my opinion for freeride foiling there are multiple ways to push a lifting foil down while on a reach: front foot pressure, more weight through the harness lines, turning up wind, and stepping the back foot forward (last resort). But if you are lacking lift while reaching, because you are under powered, all you can really do is weight the back foot more, but you can only do that if you are normally riding with a heavy front foot and have weight to shift backwards. So as people acquire those skills first four skills they tend to switch their fuse and push the lift forward. I think this setup gives maximum wind range, but it's been a long time since I tried anything else so I could be biased.

There are lots of variables and if things are off you will have less fun and things will progress slowly. The best thing is to have some sessions where you keep coming back in and adjusting one thing and seeing how the change works in the same conditions, eventually you will have things dialed for your riding style and body weight.

The i76 was giving me TOO much lift. The board wanted to stand on end practically.
I76 was in position B and 1.5 inches forward of the the furthest back i can mount the foil mast, sail mast was in the middle of the mast track. Sail was a 6.0 Flyer.

By comparison, today I used the i84, 6.0 Flyer and all was well. I did notice that I am back foot heavy most of the time. Perhaps i have always been back foot heavy and never realized how much so.
The wind let up and I put my 8.0 Cheetah, and i99 wing on, this time I moved the i99 forward to approximately 2 inches forward of the rear most setting and while I flew along just fine, I was quite back foot heavy. I must have been extremely back foot heavy with the i99 at 1.5 inches.

The good part is today was AMAZINGLY FUN! Even though my set-up is off, I was still flying and hitting 18mph frequently, which I was happy about because the wind was maxing out at 18 or so.

It's a good thread,,

Just a few points. I know there is a lot a variables, but hopefully this can help.
I'm all for experimenting on the balance, and trying all the different positions.
So even if it is 'seen as wrong' , then still try it as it will give you an idea on what happen on the trim / balance

Saying this, then we had a few years on those SS setups now,,

For the SS Infinity 76cm set up. We all use position B

Never position A (this is really only for kit / surf)

We never use any washers to change the wings position. ( I can only see this might would be needed on a 'non foil board', with a different rocker line etc.)
I'ts simply plug and play

For the bigger 84 and 99cm, you will have a little more back foot pressure compare the the 76cm
So if not used in position B, then try position C. Or if sliding track then forward a little (and position B)

In general the 'extra' front foot pressure is a good thing. It is much better than to much back foot pressure as in this position you can loose control much easier in gusts, and in the lulls you can't glide efficient.

If you feeling like loosing control with to much front foot pressure when speed pick up, then sliding the mast track forward helps a lot. - Over time when you have more control, you might slide it back again.

Everybody is different, but try to leave the back foot strap off, as this allows you to place it balanced at all times (moving it depending of gust or lulls). Or at least experiment with it :)

Note: If you would like to try position A. Then use 45mm bolts ( not the 23mm)

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thedoor said..

excav8ter said..

thedoor said..
In my opinion for freeride foiling there are multiple ways to push a lifting foil down while on a reach: front foot pressure, more weight through the harness lines, turning up wind, and stepping the back foot forward (last resort). But if you are lacking lift while reaching, because you are under powered, all you can really do is weight the back foot more, but you can only do that if you are normally riding with a heavy front foot and have weight to shift backwards. So as people acquire those skills first four skills they tend to switch their fuse and push the lift forward. I think this setup gives maximum wind range, but it's been a long time since I tried anything else so I could be biased.

There are lots of variables and if things are off you will have less fun and things will progress slowly. The best thing is to have some sessions where you keep coming back in and adjusting one thing and seeing how the change works in the same conditions, eventually you will have things dialed for your riding style and body weight.

The i76 was giving me TOO much lift. The board wanted to stand on end practically.

Yeah I think that the lift on the 76 in B will be way forward than the lift on the 84 in B so if you do not adjust by moving the sail mast forward I think it gonna feel pretty off.

Ok. I'll try moving the foil mast back as far as I can and try that. Sail mast in the middle of the mast track to start and will make small adjustments with both.
I'm also going to pay more attention to the foil mast position when I use the i99 and i84 too.

Ideally.... do you try to be balanced between your front and rear foot or do you want to be heavier on one foot or the other?

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excav8ter said..

thedoor said..

excav8ter said..

thedoor said..
In my opinion for freeride foiling there are multiple ways to push a lifting foil down while on a reach: front foot pressure, more weight through the harness lines, turning up wind, and stepping the back foot forward (last resort). But if you are lacking lift while reaching, because you are under powered, all you can really do is weight the back foot more, but you can only do that if you are normally riding with a heavy front foot and have weight to shift backwards. So as people acquire those skills first four skills they tend to switch their fuse and push the lift forward. I think this setup gives maximum wind range, but it's been a long time since I tried anything else so I could be biased.

There are lots of variables and if things are off you will have less fun and things will progress slowly. The best thing is to have some sessions where you keep coming back in and adjusting one thing and seeing how the change works in the same conditions, eventually you will have things dialed for your riding style and body weight.

The i76 was giving me TOO much lift. The board wanted to stand on end practically.

Yeah I think that the lift on the 76 in B will be way forward than the lift on the 84 in B so if you do not adjust by moving the sail mast forward I think it gonna feel pretty off.

Ok. I'll try moving the foil mast back as far as I can and try that. Sail mast in the middle of the mast track to start and will make small adjustments with both.
I'm also going to pay more attention to the foil mast position when I use the i99 and i84 too.

Ideally.... do you try to be balanced between your front and rear foot or do you want to be heavier on one foot or the other?

For powered up riding I would say I am 70% front foot, more in the gusts

I used the i76 with both my Isonic 130 and my Wizard 125. In B position with the Isonic the i76 felt very balanced and easy to ride. With the Wizard I was constantly breaching until I moved the wing to A position on the fuselage (even though I was told this was not a good idea), which tamed the foil considerably. However, in A position with the Isonic I could barely get the board to lift (huge amount of back foot pressure needed) even in big gusts. I placed the sail's mast in the middle of the track with both boards -- sail mast track is located about the same distance from the Tuttle box on each board).

I now have a Levitator 150 and SS FS115 and I'm attempting to find the best setup for the i76 -- foil mast track, sail mast track etc. In my opinion the i76 has a huge amount of "extra" lift in gusty conditions when used with the SlingShot boards (at least with the Wizard 125) and needs to be tamed by either using the wing in the fuselage's A or B position along with careful foil and sail mast track positioning.

I don't have this issue with my i84 wing.

I should add that in another forum Wyatt Miller of Sling Shot noted that with the Levitator 150 the i76 should be mounted in B position with the foil's mast at the very back of the foil mast track and the sail's mast 3/4 of the way forward in its track. At the time I thought this was a bit extreme. Not anymore!

From another forum -- here's Wyatt Miller on how to set up the Levitator 150 for the i76 and i84 foil wings:

"For the Levitator I usually put:

The 76 in Fuse position B and then move it all the way back in the track (Using the outer most pedestal holes)

I have my front straps all the way forward and outboard and my back strap one hole from the back.

Mast base at 107cm from the front of mast or in the middle of the front half of the track (3/4 forward).

Then when you want to use the 84cm instead of having to flip the fuselage and remove all those bolts, I just remove the 76 and mount the 84 in the same Position B. Now if you move your pedestal mount 2 inches forward it should be just right. If you are riding with too much weight on your back foot you can move it another inch forward. Too much lift you can move it back a bit. But 2 inches forward should be perfect.

Stoked you are having fun on all the foil gear. Best tip I give people is that it is all about really moving your hips; forward over the front foot to keep it down and then back over your back foot to rise higher. Just trying to apply pressure to one foot or the other does not have a continuous effect unless you actually move your hips over that foot."