Mr. Smooth frothing on the 926
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Tip out, no problem
The glide on the 926 is insane yet it can be cranked hard, tip out without any cavitation
Super fun foil
Thanks again for taking time out behind the camera JJ

Wow, that's cool! It's surprising how far the wing can come out without issues

There was a guy out here last week with the wizard 114 and that same wing, and I was surprised at how well he rode it (he said his second time using it). He had some breaches that I saw but I didn't seem him crash, just smacked down and kept going.

Only thing is he did accidentally slice his hand pretty good by accidentally running it along the back of the foil. It was a lot sharper than my other foils.

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2keen said..
Tip out, no problem
The glide on the 926 is insane yet it can be cranked hard, tip out without any cavitation
Super fun foil
Thanks again for taking time out behind the camera JJ

Super impressed Simon. I know how that 926 loves to buck me off, looks like you are leaning way over the rail but still very controlled. Amazeballs

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2keen said..
Tip out, no problem
The glide on the 926 is insane yet it can be cranked hard, tip out without any cavitation
Super fun foil
Thanks again for taking time out behind the camera JJ

Out of interest where are you running the PTM926 vs the PFI730 in the tracks on your Wizard 114

I find no need to move the mast when switching between the two different foils
Running the Phantasm 103w mast at 5.5 on the Wizard 114

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2keen said..
I find no need to move the mast when switching between the two different foils
Running the Phantasm 103w mast at 5.5 on the Wizard 114

Thanks 2keen. Did you run the hoverglide on the 114 previously?. If so, did you run the mast that far forward ?.

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WsurfAustin said..

2keen said..
I find no need to move the mast when switching between the two different foils
Running the Phantasm 103w mast at 5.5 on the Wizard 114

Thanks 2keen. Did you run the hoverglide on the 114 previously?. If so, did you run the mast that far forward ?.

Yes I sailed a lot with the 114/ Hoverglide combo
Not sure how it translates but with the Hoverglide quick mount plate I ran the mast at 5.5 for the i76, and 4 for the i65

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2keen said..

WsurfAustin said..

2keen said..
I find no need to move the mast when switching between the two different foils
Running the Phantasm 103w mast at 5.5 on the Wizard 114

Thanks 2keen. Did you run the hoverglide on the 114 previously?. If so, did you run the mast that far forward ?.

Yes I sailed a lot with the 114/ Hoverglide combo
Not sure how it translates but with the Hoverglide quick mount plate I ran the mast at 5.5 for the i76, and 4 for the i65

Got it thanks.
I was curious as I have to run mine at the extreme back of the slots with the I76. My base plate is different though. All solid with no relief's cut out.

Big thanks to JJ today for saving my session after I forgot the foil mast!?Used his 114 wizard with the full carbon executive phantasm setup and 926 front wing.
Point Walter, 6.1 Ezzy Elite 4 batten 12-15knots. The 114 feels quite different to the 105 with more nose for uphauling but less volume in the tail and less width. The track mount is a definite advantage as putting the foil mast forward of the initial set up improved the balance considerably rather than fighting an unbalanced set up.
I have used the half straps before and you quickly adapt and they allow you to easily shuffle your feet into position.
The 926 wing needed to be pointed more downwind than the 105/76 set up and once it has a little speed a push with the back foot brings it up on foil easily. It has a ridiculously low stall speed and is not as height reactive when going over the rollers down wind. Glides nicely and definitely feels faster than the i76.
Gybing the set up needs the back foot right out on the rail and weight on the inside of the turn as it has a tendency to straighten up in the turn if you don't get the balance right with the larger sail. The low stall speed means you can be a little less precise when shifting feet without losing lift.
Trucks upwind nicely once powered although it did feel a little skatey in the initial mast back set up when not fully powered.
The carbon mast eliminates the minor wobbles with the old set up and does take a bit of getting used to the feeling of being safe higher off the water.
Thanks Dude!

Update on the Phantasm PTM 926 wing in light breezes.

Pops up in 11-12 knots and low drag for it's 1,233 cm2 enables quick acceleration so it becomes super-easy to exploit apparent wind.
Pretty decent speeds in 10-15 knot winds - 21.1 knot peak and cruising at 18 knots with a 5.9m wavesail

Carves brilliantly when you get used to pushing your weight forward and through the rail.
A joy to use in gusty conditions as it glides through 8-10 lulls with ease.

Wizard 114L, 103W mast

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azymuth said..
Update on the Phantasm PTM 926 wing in light breezes.

Pops up in 11-12 knots and low drag for it's 1,233 cm2 enables quick acceleration so it becomes super-easy to exploit apparent wind.
Pretty decent speeds in 10-15 knot winds - 21.1 knot peak and cruising at 18 knots with a 5.9m wavesail

Carves brilliantly when you get used to pushing your weight forward and through the rail.
A joy to use in gusty conditions as it glides through 8-10 lulls with ease.

Wizard 114L, 103W mast

Wow, thats an impressive board to wind speed ratio. Thanks for posting.

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azymuth said..
Update on the Phantasm PTM 926 wing in light breezes.

Pops up in 11-12 knots and low drag for it's 1,233 cm2 enables quick acceleration so it becomes super-easy to exploit apparent wind.
Pretty decent speeds in 10-15 knot winds - 21.1 knot peak and cruising at 18 knots with a 5.9m wavesail

Carves brilliantly when you get used to pushing your weight forward and through the rail.
A joy to use in gusty conditions as it glides through 8-10 lulls with ease.

Wizard 114L, 103W mast

I had a buddy try my foilx145/i76 combo after he was riding his wizard114/phantasm 926 as the wind had dropped and we were both struggling with the current after the wind dropped. He took noticeably more effort to get foiling on the i76 than the 926. I don't think I ever saw him pump that long before to get flying. He had used the i84 before but never the i76. His thoughts were that the 926 does get flying earlier. I was thinking about the superflyer as well and after seeing that and checking out both wings, and talking to a few others, that sold me on the 926. The 926 looks a lot more slippery and the availability of those wide masts in longer length in aluminum sold me. I may eventually get the super long (125cm) wide carbon one but we'll see, these things start to add up to real money . Hopefully my girlfriend will be able to ride the 76 soon on one of my other boards but I want her to get a foil lesson first.

He also really liked the 6.3 freek. I think I'm about 20lbs heavier than him and he was using a 6.0 Naish lift?

At 200lbs/90kg my biggest sail is now a 5.0 because of the PTM 926.
It's very comfortable pumping up in 10/11 mph and glides through glassy holes. It's also very quick for both wind and wing foil. I've had several foilers say recently that I'm the quickest on the water, it's almost a one can do it all front wing, an incredible foil.

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CoreAS said..
At 200lbs/90kg my biggest sail is now a 5.0 because of the PTM 926.
It's very comfortable pumping up in 10/11 mph and glides through glassy holes. It's also very quick for both wind and wing foil. I've had several foilers say recently that I'm the quickest on the water, it's almost a one can do it all front wing, an incredible foil.

I managed a short session today with my first time on the 926/6.3 freek. Felt much more responsive to pumping than the infinity 76, more like the SB 900, but got flying quicker. I didn't have a whole lot of flight time because of conditions before a shower but it was able to fly slower than I thought it would as well as accelerate faster as well. I think it points higher but I can't really verify that right now. The only downside is that when it stalls it felt like the bottom fell out instead of the gradual mush of the 76, but that edge will probably get more obvious with more time on it.

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2keen said..
Tip out, no problem
The glide on the 926 is insane yet it can be cranked hard, tip out without any cavitation
Super fun foil
Thanks again for taking time out behind the camera JJ

Super impressed Simon. I know how that 926 loves to buck me off, looks like you are leaning way over the rail but still very controlled. Amazeballs

CoreAs, The 730 did the same to me. Throwing me off. I used the 926 there after.. Until I saw in the forms a guy showing how to remove the excess buildup of factory material on the underside edge front wing. Three scrapes with a long Stanley blade did the trick. I now love my 730.

Just call me the foil collector...

The PTM fuse/wing/tail set feels much lighter than the infinity 76 set. I noticed a lot of anhedral built into the wing, which makes it a lot easier to turn. This is opposite of the starboard race foils, which have an initial dihedral at the wing root, which stabilizes it for that locked-in feeling.

The tail looks much more refined than the slingshot one. Some sweep and chord makes it look much quicker. In general, the trailing edge of the phantasm set is a lot sharper than either the slingshot or the starboard race foils. I did notice some manufacturing asymmetry in the root of the 926 wing (not shown), but that can be expected and I don't think it'll cause a severe performance hit.

Hoping to go out again soon and give jibing a better try in flatter water than my first rides.

That's the IQFoil 900/115+ fuse. You can see how much tamer the power is set on the phantasm with the front wing being further back. My initial rides were with the jack plate set such that the tuttle box is in line with the front of the mast. There's adjustability there to put it more forward but it felt okay with that setting, which looked to be close to where the balance on the infinity was.

Which board/sail combination are you using for the Phantasm 926? And in what level winds are you able to foil?

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Foulweatherjack said..
Which board/sail combination are you using for the Phantasm 926? And in what level winds are you able to foil?

I can only speak for myself. Haven't hit lower limits yet but on the Foil X 145 probably down to 10ish knots with a 6.3 freek. That's the only board I'm planning on using it with for the time being. I may go up to a 7.0 foil glide 2 for really light wind stuff but I think I'd rather be race foiling with a 9.0 at that point.

I've gone down to a 4.4 with the same board and I really liked the way it felt, but that was with the infinity 76. Still need more TOW with this new foil setup.

Wizard 114 and ptm 926 is also a common setup here and what I've seen IRL.

I too have a FoilX 145, and have been foiling now for a year with a Slingshot i76 and i99 hoverglide.

I weigh 75 kg, and have two sails, a 5.2 and a 7.0 Severne FoilGlide. The river on which I live tends to get a light seabreeze most afternoons from around 8-12 mph (as measured with an amenometer) so I'm trying to maximize my experience in light air.

I've been thinking about getting one of the newer Phantasm foils and have been trying to decide between the PTM 926 and the PFI 928. Others have commented that the 928, as compared to the i99, would be essentially "more of the same" and I'm intrigued by the higher aspect ratio of the 926 with its potential for better glide in the cyclical gusting winds that I have to deal with on my river.

For now, I'm finding that I do better with the 99 than the 76, mainly, I suspect, because my pumping skills are not what they should be (I'm a work in progress).

I appreciate your analytic approach; it is much appreciated. Given your forum handle, I suspect you have a background in aerospace engineering. Can you elaborate upon your experience?

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aeroegnr said..

Foulweatherjack said..
Which board/sail combination are you using for the Phantasm 926? And in what level winds are you able to foil?

I can only speak for myself. Haven't hit lower limits yet but on the Foil X 145 probably down to 10ish knots with a 6.3 freek. That's the only board I'm planning on using it with for the time being. I may go up to a 7.0 foil glide 2 for really light wind stuff but I think I'd rather be race foiling with a 9.0 at that point.

I've gone down to a 4.4 with the same board and I really liked the way it felt, but that was with the infinity 76. Still need more TOW with this new foil setup.

Wizard 114 and ptm 926 is also a common setup here and what I've seen IRL.

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Foulweatherjack said..
I too have a FoilX 145, and have been foiling now for a year with a Slingshot i76 and i99 hoverglide.

I weigh 75 kg, and have two sails, a 5.2 and a 7.0 Severne FoilGlide. The river on which I live tends to get a light seabreeze most afternoons from around 8-12 mph (as measured with an amenometer) so I'm trying to maximize my experience in light air.

I've been thinking about getting one of the newer Phantasm foils and have been trying to decide between the PTM 926 and the PFI 928. Others have commented that the 928, as compared to the i99, would be essentially "more of the same" and I'm intrigued by the higher aspect ratio of the 926 with its potential for better glide in the cyclical gusting winds that I have to deal with on my river.

For now, I'm finding that I do better with the 99 than the 76, mainly, I suspect, because my pumping skills are not what they should be (I'm a work in progress).

I appreciate your analytic approach; it is much appreciated. Given your forum handle, I suspect you have a background in aerospace engineering. Can you elaborate upon your experience?

aeroegnr said..

Foulweatherjack said..
Which board/sail combination are you using for the Phantasm 926? And in what level winds are you able to foil?

I can only speak for myself. Haven't hit lower limits yet but on the Foil X 145 probably down to 10ish knots with a 6.3 freek. That's the only board I'm planning on using it with for the time being. I may go up to a 7.0 foil glide 2 for really light wind stuff but I think I'd rather be race foiling with a 9.0 at that point.

I've gone down to a 4.4 with the same board and I really liked the way it felt, but that was with the infinity 76. Still need more TOW with this new foil setup.

Wizard 114 and ptm 926 is also a common setup here and what I've seen IRL.

Thank you, yes that board is great. Honestly with your weight you should be able to pump up pretty well with the 5.2 but it will take some experimentation. Is there a lot of chop and swell in that river? The biggest obstacle I have with pumping in light wind in bays here is smacking into irregular swell/chop and killing momentum, or fighting tidal currents that rob me of speed.

Seeing a friend ride my board and seeing him struggle to fly on the 76 vs. his usual quick pops on the 926 was very informative. It really does feel like it flies earlier due to less drag. And the longer 103W mast is going to help in swells vs. the 85 that I got with the infinity.

Yes my degree is in aerospace engineering. I worked mostly in the space and aeronautical industry doing stress analysis and design, but now in a different field that is much more complex but not really related to flying or wingy things. I've got a few spreadsheets that I'm playing around with when I can to get more of the numbers down with foiling and windsurfing but I don't get to play with it as much as I want. I've learned something from it but I can't quite articulate it well without finishing a few things.

Are you using the Jake plate on the FoilX 145 to mount the Phantasm mast to the board? I like the idea of having some adjustability, but I wonder how structurally sound the Jake plate is.

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Foulweatherjack said..
Are you using the Jake plate on the FoilX 145 to mount the Phantasm mast to the board? I like the idea of having some adjustability, but I wonder how structurally sound the Jake plate is.

Yep, I ended up going with the jack plate. I'm not sure there is another option with this foil and the wide mast at the moment. Here is how I set it up for my one session on it so far. I kept the tuttle inline with the front of the mast. I used the smaller tuttle fitting because it's drilled for m10 and used the m6 adapters.

The amount of adapters is off-putting to me too. However, after putting tefgel on everything and tightening it up, it doesn't wobble anywhere. The plate has a thin pad on top that is hard to see but it cushions the board contact.

The m10 to m6 adapter sticks out on the back and it works but it's hard to align the screw when fitting it up with the board. I also got some m8s to go with the deep tuttle adapter, but I haven't used those yet. I'll have to swap out the tuttle adapter and drill out the board a little to get the m8s in. I ended up doing similar on my Blast and didn't have problems.

8mm bit then some light file work and I got it mounted with m8s and deep tuttle. 60mm length was too much and was bottoming out so I used a few washers.

I see the utility of leaving it fixed and just using the slot plate screws to attach the foil. I'll probably leave it on and wash periodically and reapply tefgel.

Let us know how it works out with your next session with the 926. I'm thinking about getting one myself.

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Foulweatherjack said..
Let us know how it works out with your next session with the 926. I'm thinking about getting one myself.

Well I got it out yesterday but the wind this time of year is garbage and then I had a sail/board separation issue. The foil/board joint is solid. Hoping to get more TOW soon...