Anyone riding the new Patrick Aio foil?
Would love to hear some details about it.
Lift off speed; top speed; control; how it compares to the Aeon foil?

I can't compare it to the Aeon but I've ridden it for several days and it's at the top of my shopping list as soon as it gets off the boat to NBWindsurfing.

I tried the aluminum mast with a 105 fuse and the 95cm carbon mast with both 105 and 95 fuses. Tried both the 1300 and the 1120 wings. Hated the Aluminum mast. The Carbon mast was stiffer and more secure in the air (and much better when slogging1) The 105 fuse provides a lot of lift but was very poorly balanced on the Alien, which has the straps very far back compared to something like an IQ. The 95 fuse was much much better for me (same length as my usual Taaroa setup). The 1300 lifts early, jibes smoothly and is very easy to ride. Not all that fast - my top speed was 19kt which is the same as my Taaroa 1500. The 1120 is a different deal - foot it off, pump a couple of times and you're off. Super smooth, flew more jibes in an hour than I usually make in a week, top speed was 22kt but it'll cruise all day at 18. This was on Sailworks 8.5 and 7.0 in 10-18 mph winds.

The Tillo boys in Miami swear by the 1120 and 900 wings on the 115 fuse, but their Tillo and Starboard boards have the straps further forward. They can foil the 1120/115 in 8 (I've seen that) and claim to go in 6-7 which I'd believe.

My plan is to buy the 95 fuse/95 Carbon mast/250 stab and the 1600 wing for ultra-light wind since I spend most of the summer on an inland lake. once my wallet has recovered I'll add either the 1120 or 900 for stronger winds. I'd expect the 1120 to be my daily driver in Tampa Bay.

(I'm an intermediate foiler, 105kg, 70 years old, rarely fall, fly my jibes 20% of the time. I usually ride bigger foils and bigger sails than most others because of my weight and lousy pumping skills. My usual foils are Taaroa or Starboard. Board is a severn Alien 155.)

Have enjoyed using the AIO foil set with HM carbon mast for a few years on various boards. my current favourite is Alien 125 with 900 or 700 main wings on 105 fuse with ezzy wave sails. the 900 & 700 foils are fast free ride with good windward performance, nice turning and low stall speed for glide time in gybes. I started with the Patrik FoilOne club racing config (900 wing / 115 fuse) then added other components (1120 and 700 wings, 105 fuse, etc) to use with smaller boards. The AIO is versatile because of the various options but is not as fast or refined as the AEON or F4 foil sets.

I think the Simmer Style is the exact same foil : simmerstyle.com.au/collections/simmer-foils

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powersloshin said..
I think the Simmer Style is the exact same foil : simmerstyle.com.au/collections/simmer-foils

Yes the Simmer parts are interchangeable with Patrik AIO. Zeeko is the Original Design Manufacturer.

One of the guys at my local is doing really well on his. 700/250 set up and 115fuse? Flies his gybes but a little slower then the AEON but he is usually on wave sails when the wind picks up. Solid kit and 900 flies nice and early too. 700 take 8.0m sails too

Hi Joe, a couple of us are using this foil system where I sail. I switched to this system from the Starboard GTR+ which I never really gelled with. I can say that whilst it's not the fastest foil out there, it's pretty good for its price. I use the 95 or 105 fuselage along with 900, 700 and 550 front wings. I also recently added a wingding to my collection and with the 65 fuselage and the 1100 wing, it's working pretty good. The only negative aspect to this system is the adjustment for the stabiliser is very analogue. I say this due to the requirement to loosen the two stab screws and basically move the stab fore / aft to adjust the pitch of it. This can be quite hit and miss even though I have marked my preferred settings on the stab. Would much rather prefer the shims in 0.5 degree increments.

Hi all. Thought I would ask a question even it is a bit off-topic, the reason is that I saw some of you talk of, and have experience with, different fuse lengths and the AIO seemingly is using similar stab non-shim fore-aft stab angle adjustment as the Taaroa I'm using.

So to my question: I recently got a 105cm fuse after having used the 95cm for a while. The rest of the kit is 900, 1050, and 1250 front wings, 97cm carbon mast, and a 250 cm2 stab. Even if I absolutely love the kit with the 95cm fuse, I was hoping that I could get different sensation, with more stability at speed, using a longer 105cm fuse. After trying a few times it just does not feel balanced at all, too much lift in front and someone told me I needed a smaller stab for a long fuse like this. What is your experience?

Do you need a smaller stab with the the longer fuse, or do you simply put less downforce on the stab you already used with the shorter fuse? Can I simply put less stab power by sliding the stab forward (in case of Taaroa, stab leading edge will point tiny bit more upwards in the water) to compensate for the stab generating more downward pressure due to greater leverage of the longer fuse?
I want to avoid buying a smaller stab right now (170cm2), and it's anyhow not in stock at the moment.
What can you tell me what your experience is, please ?
Thanks and sorry for the off-topic question.

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Hi all. Thought I would ask a question even it is a bit off-topic, the reason is that I saw some of you talk of, and have experience with, different fuse lengths and the AIO seemingly is using similar stab non-shim fore-aft stab angle adjustment as the Taaroa I'm using.

So to my question: I recently got a 105cm fuse after having used the 95cm for a while. The rest of the kit is 900, 1050, and 1250 front wings, 97cm carbon mast, and a 250 cm2 stab. Even if I absolutely love the kit with the 95cm fuse, I was hoping that I could get different sensation, with more stability at speed, using a longer 105cm fuse. After trying a few times it just does not feel balanced at all, too much lift in front and someone told me I needed a smaller stab for a long fuse like this. What is your experience?

Do you need a smaller stab with the the longer fuse, or do you simply put less downforce on the stab you already used with the shorter fuse? Can I simply put less stab power by sliding the stab forward (in case of Taaroa, stab leading edge will point tiny bit more upwards in the water) to compensate for the stab generating more downward pressure due to greater leverage of the longer fuse?
I want to avoid buying a smaller stab right now (170cm2), and it's anyhow not in stock at the moment.
What can you tell me what your experience is, please ?
Thanks and sorry for the off-topic question.

So your question is actually about the Taaroa? Sure, you can alter the performance pretty strongly by altering the stab angle and I'd suggest going all the way negative to start with and then work back toward neutral. In the long run it may take a change in technique, though. The Taaroa with a 95 fuse really likes being ridden upright but the 105 may want you to heel to windward to reduce the front wing's lift.

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osk said..
Hi all. Thought I would ask a question even it is a bit off-topic, the reason is that I saw some of you talk of, and have experience with, different fuse lengths and the AIO seemingly is using similar stab non-shim fore-aft stab angle adjustment as the Taaroa I'm using.

So to my question: I recently got a 105cm fuse after having used the 95cm for a while. The rest of the kit is 900, 1050, and 1250 front wings, 97cm carbon mast, and a 250 cm2 stab. Even if I absolutely love the kit with the 95cm fuse, I was hoping that I could get different sensation, with more stability at speed, using a longer 105cm fuse. After trying a few times it just does not feel balanced at all, too much lift in front and someone told me I needed a smaller stab for a long fuse like this. What is your experience?

Do you need a smaller stab with the the longer fuse, or do you simply put less downforce on the stab you already used with the shorter fuse? Can I simply put less stab power by sliding the stab forward (in case of Taaroa, stab leading edge will point tiny bit more upwards in the water) to compensate for the stab generating more downward pressure due to greater leverage of the longer fuse?
I want to avoid buying a smaller stab right now (170cm2), and it's anyhow not in stock at the moment.
What can you tell me what your experience is, please ?
Thanks and sorry for the off-topic question.

So your question is actually about the Taaroa? Sure, you can alter the performance pretty strongly by altering the stab angle and I'd suggest going all the way negative to start with and then work back toward neutral. In the long run it may take a change in technique, though. The Taaroa with a 95 fuse really likes being ridden upright but the 105 may want you to heel to windward to reduce the front wing's lift.

Thanks, so if I understand correctly, you would continue with the 250cm2 stab and test stab angles by starting with negative (leading edge more up to reduce downforce of stab) and adjust from there, and adjust stance. If this is no good, then get a smaller stab I assume. Thanks!
Btw, back to the OP topic, I was about to invest in a new AIO foil kit and had waited for months for it to show up at the local dealer when this used but good condition Taaroa kit came my way, and it's been super, such a huge improvement over my previous starter foil (w/ alu mast) I had, so the AIO plan was cancelled
Cheers

I have been sailing with the Partik AIO foils for about 4 summers now, I started with the Ally mast 105 fuse and 1100 front wing and Exocet freeride foil board. It was great gear to learn on but found when using the 105 fuse I had to place my front foot well in front of the front foot straps and the rear stab all the way negative just to keep the board balanced (keep the nose down). I ended up changing to the 95 fuse and the board felt a little more balanced, not perfect, but found moving my mast base forward helped. As my confidence built and was managing higher speeds I switched down to the 900 and then the 700 front wing.

I really enjoy going fast on the foil and after three seasons on the freeride board and not improving on my max top end speeds (21 to 22 knots), I decided to upgrade to a 95 cm carbon mast and new Tribal Atmos foil Slalom board. The Atmos probably deserves its own review, but I love this board, and with the carbon mast it just felt super stable at speed, now I am able to comfortably cruise around at 21 to 22 knots and max top speed 25 knots (using the 700 front wing).

One thing I did note that with this new set up my back leg was getting really tired and almost cramping up on long runs, I could not work out what might be the problem, was playing with the mast base position but then realised I had not bothered to tune my rear stab to the new setup, it had been set full negative and not changed it in three years! I shifted it to neutral position and problem solved.
I am now struggling to improve my speed beyond 25 knots using my smallest 700 front wing, but rather go down to the Patrik 550, or go all out and purchase a AEON foil setup, I was looking at the AIO compatible Zeeko foils and they have a new higher speed front wing model called the Burner, so I have ordered the 540 and will be interested to see how this might further improve my average and top speeds.

Hopefully can break some PB's before the end of summer!

Got out yesterday for the first time on my 1120/100 fuse/200 rear wing/carbon mast. 11-16 kt wind increasing to 18. Top speed was 20.38 but only because I was scairt and even under my 105kg it was overlifting with the stab neutral. Faster with the mastfoot more forward than I'm used to with other foils. Next time I'll try moderate negative stab and expect to go significantly faster. Very, very smooth with a mild hum at speed.