Little machining project I've been working on to change the geometry of the Starboard surf wings to have a more windfoil appropriate geometry. Also to use the extremely light surf rear fuselage and Quick Lock attachment system along with the high aspect E-type front wing.
I'm calling it the Supercruiser+.

Not completely finished since I built it a bit oversized, also I might make a version 2 another 1.5" longer (Supercruiser++?) because I prefer lots of front foot pressure.

Took around 12 hours of design and machining, next one I could probably do in 8 if I invest in some different tooling since this has lots of hand filing for wing and tail fitment.

Had one session in marginal conditions so far. Definitely much more reactive and I think will be marvelous in swell. Not sold on the Razr 250 stab though, extremely skatey. I might look for a Surf 270 which is like the small version of the Supercruiser 370 that I enjoy.

Really clever, handy and cool Grantmac! I have admired that E type front wing. I also really dig the super light plate mast from starboard. For me I would love a longer fuse for that set up.

Yeah. Tear it up! I'm experimenting with different stabs too. Small but important part of the whole thing

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utcminusfour said..
Really clever, handy and cool Grantmac! I have admired that E type front wing. I also really dig the super light plate mast from starboard. For me I would love a longer fuse for that set up.

Which plate mast is that?! I thought they were all DT with an adapter?

Not that I envision using a plate mount at this time.

The E-type should really be marketed to Supercruiser owners as an upgrade. It's damn near as fast as the race setups (I was keeping up) but slows right down. It can only fit on the regular Supercruiser fuselage in the "forward" position, which is my preference anyways.
Starboard could make a QL front fuselage like this extremely easily but I'm guessing they want Supercruiser owners to buy they race fuselages if they want to go faster. For me I like the modularity and how light the overall setup is.

This setup is quite similar in geometry to the Race 95cm fuselage. It has a bit more abrupt stall than the Supercruiser but also pumps much more effectively. I'm hoping for a solid session this week to get a better assessment and see if I need to make a V2.

The other option I'm looking at is getting a Gong wing which can work on the QL fuselage with a little modification. In my case I'd probably just build a fuselage for it however.

I'm also going to try the regular Supercruiser 1700 wing on this. That would be more front footed and a bit more pitch stable. With the QL setup swapping a wing takes almost no time and is nearly wiggle free.

Hi Grantmac,
Is it possible to use E-Type wing with Supercruiser fuselage without any modifications? What about durability? I'm very interested in this setup because I own SB Freeride 125 foil board and Supercrusier and this combo is really back foot heavy. Not enough budget to buy GTR foil at the moment.

Regards

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AdiZi said..
Hi Grantmac,
Is it possible to use E-Type wing with Supercruiser fuselage without any modifications? What about durability? I'm very interested in this setup because I own SB Freeride 125 foil board and Supercrusier and this combo is really back foot heavy. Not enough budget to buy GTR foil at the moment.

Regards

Have you put the regular Supercruiser wing into the forward position? How much do you weigh?

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AdiZi said..
Hi Grantmac,
Is it possible to use E-Type wing with Supercruiser fuselage without any modifications? What about durability? I'm very interested in this setup because I own SB Freeride 125 foil board and Supercrusier and this combo is really back foot heavy. Not enough budget to buy GTR foil at the moment.

Regards

Have you put the regular Supercruiser wing into the forward position? How much do you weigh?

88kg dry. I haven't tried Supercruiser in forward position. I will try during next session.

Supercruiser + 2.0

Grantmac,
I am talking about the monolithic carbon mast in the wing and wave line up. I held that mast and fuse with the E-type wing in my hands when I was in Florida at Norrh Beach Windsurfing.

IT IS SO LIGHT! I am jealous and want that for windsurf foiling.

The reason is simple, monolithic plate masts have more cross sectional width right at the highest load where the foil joins the board. More width means less material and lower weight with higher stiffness. The extra width of the bolts at the connection to the board lowers the load on the board so it can be built lighter too.

I am sure some will say that mast will not be stiff enough for windsurf foiling. That may or may not be true. If a one piece plate mast were to be engineered for windfoil I am confident it would be lighter than a tuttle design with the same stiffness.

I have a bud who mills his own fuse's. He has offered to build me one. I am bandwidth limited at the moment but when I get free this may be where my spare energy and $'s go.

Super cool modification mate, keep us in the loop as you learn from it.

AdiZi,

Definitely do that and run the stabilizer either neutral or back, it's brilliant. The E-Type 1300 only fits in this position but it doesn't fit tight because only two holes are drilled and just one is countersunk. But I wanted to try it before building a fuselage.

utcminusfour,

I see what you're saying. I think for freeriding I'd look at the Project Cedrus mast with either top plate or his tuttle adapter. Making a fuselage to fit it would be dead simple since it's just a flat mount last I checked, although in my opinion that's a bit problematic.
They do say the winging masts aren't as stiff but unless you are on a +85cm wide board pushing hard to counteract a big sail I don't think it's a significant thing. Certainly not the design goal of the surf wings.
Speaking of which that E-type is definitely VERY light. The whole package is a major weight reduction even with the very bulky fuselage I built.

Unfortunately as an update I managed to clip some kelp and pull the tail off. I should have added texture to the fuselage. I was also going to seal the tail so it floated. Because I didn't do either I'm now back on the standard Supercruiser fuselage until a replacement can be found. I may also drill and counter sink a safety screw like the wing has up front.

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utcminusfour said..
Really clever, handy and cool Grantmac! I have admired that E type front wing. I also really dig the super light plate mast from starboard. For me I would love a longer fuse for that set up.

Which plate mast is that?! I thought they were all DT with an adapter?

Not that I envision using a plate mount at this time.

The E-type should really be marketed to Supercruiser owners as an upgrade. It's damn near as fast as the race setups (I was keeping up) but slows right down. It can only fit on the regular Supercruiser fuselage in the "forward" position, which is my preference anyways.
Starboard could make a QL front fuselage like this extremely easily but I'm guessing they want Supercruiser owners to buy they race fuselages if they want to go faster. For me I like the modularity and how light the overall setup is.

This setup is quite similar in geometry to the Race 95cm fuselage. It has a bit more abrupt stall than the Supercruiser but also pumps much more effectively. I'm hoping for a solid session this week to get a better assessment and see if I need to make a V2.

The other option I'm looking at is getting a Gong wing which can work on the QL fuselage with a little modification. In my case I'd probably just build a fuselage for it however.

I'm also going to try the regular Supercruiser 1700 wing on this. That would be more front footed and a bit more pitch stable. With the QL setup swapping a wing takes almost no time and is nearly wiggle free.

Hi Grantmac

Can you explain the "little modifictions" needed to put a gong front wing in a SUPERCRUISER fuselage?

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JBO83 said..

Grantmac said..

utcminusfour said..
Really clever, handy and cool Grantmac! I have admired that E type front wing. I also really dig the super light plate mast from starboard. For me I would love a longer fuse for that set up.

Which plate mast is that?! I thought they were all DT with an adapter?

Not that I envision using a plate mount at this time.

The E-type should really be marketed to Supercruiser owners as an upgrade. It's damn near as fast as the race setups (I was keeping up) but slows right down. It can only fit on the regular Supercruiser fuselage in the "forward" position, which is my preference anyways.
Starboard could make a QL front fuselage like this extremely easily but I'm guessing they want Supercruiser owners to buy they race fuselages if they want to go faster. For me I like the modularity and how light the overall setup is.

This setup is quite similar in geometry to the Race 95cm fuselage. It has a bit more abrupt stall than the Supercruiser but also pumps much more effectively. I'm hoping for a solid session this week to get a better assessment and see if I need to make a V2.

The other option I'm looking at is getting a Gong wing which can work on the QL fuselage with a little modification. In my case I'd probably just build a fuselage for it however.

I'm also going to try the regular Supercruiser 1700 wing on this. That would be more front footed and a bit more pitch stable. With the QL setup swapping a wing takes almost no time and is nearly wiggle free.

Hi Grantmac

Can you explain the "little modifictions" needed to put a gong front wing in a SUPERCRUISER fuselage?

Shimming, drilling new holes and filling others. Not difficult but not trivial either.

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svenk said..

So that's the new fitting sistem from starboard, anyone knows if the RACE one has changed to?

Yes, race and that foil will use the same saddle system called evolution.

It's smart to offer the same fitment for all wings.

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Grantmac said..
It's smart to offer the same fitment for all wings.

At last. It's been killing me to find a system where I didn't have to buy multiple fuses and even multiple masts - and expensive ones at that (looking at you, Moses) - to have a system for both freeride and freerace.

I believe Naish offers that, but their wings definitely weren't fantastic until recently and they don't offer a carbon tuttle mast.
Starboard stuff has waaay more options in terms of wing and fuselage. I'm hoping a bunch of the legacy stuff comes up cheap now that the newest hotness is available.

The super flyer looks so similar to the 1100/95+/330 set up..without having to purchase another fuselage

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RuddeBos said..
The super flyer looks so similar to the 1100/95+/330 set up..without having to purchase another fuselage

Plus, I think 1300 is a better fit for a lot of people especially heavier riders.


Grantmac, imho, Naish really don't do a freerace (or budget race) set up. Their offerings have gotten significantly better in the last couple of years, though, and deserve more attention.

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Paducah said..

RuddeBos said..
The super flyer looks so similar to the 1100/95+/330 set up..without having to purchase another fuselage

Plus, I think 1300 is a better fit for a lot of people especially heavier riders.


Grantmac, imho, Naish really don't do a freerace (or budget race) set up. Their offerings have gotten significantly better in the last couple of years, though, and deserve more attention.

The new Naish 914 is looking VERY good, but again no upgrade path in terms of masts.

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Grantmac said..

Paducah said..

RuddeBos said..
The super flyer looks so similar to the 1100/95+/330 set up..without having to purchase another fuselage

Plus, I think 1300 is a better fit for a lot of people especially heavier riders.


Grantmac, imho, Naish really don't do a freerace (or budget race) set up. Their offerings have gotten significantly better in the last couple of years, though, and deserve more attention.

The new Naish 914 is looking VERY good, but again no upgrade path in terms of masts.

Indeed, nice looking wing. Found it online in a complete set up with a 80cm fuse, though. I think that the performance windfoil market may be their bigger target. Definitely a step up for them.
www.naishsails.com/product/wind-wing-ha-914-foil-complete/