I've newly acquired a Starboard kit with both 115+ and 115++ fuses with -2 stabs

For those under 75kg (I'm about 63), what wings and stab angles (and which conditions) are you using?

Trying to prevent as much trial and error as possible as our local launches are a task for getting in and out.

Thanks

What board?
Xavier F still uses Starboard....number ONE foil racer in US, 75 kg. Course racer, 900 all around, 1000 light wind, 780 high wind.
most of the other Starboard riders are heavier

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LeeD said..
What board?
Xavier F still uses Starboard....number ONE foil racer in US, 75 kg. Course racer, 900 all around, 1000 light wind, 780 high wind.
most of the other Starboard riders are heavier

91cm freerace custom.

I weigh 75 kg, have the 115+ fuse, and 1000, 800, and 650 wings. I use the 1000 in very light wind with a 8.5 freerace sail (Flyer FR) and sometimes a two cam 6.7. I generally use the 0 shim. The +1 gives you a little bit earlier take off but I sail in a gusty place and the wing tends to get a little bit unruly with the +1 wing. The opposite for the -2: I can go a little bit faster but since it's gusty, i end up slogging a little bit more. Pick your poison or settle for the middle.
I use the 800 and the 650 with the 6.7 down to 3.7 (Goya fringe). I could use them with a 3 m sail as well. The 650 usually when it is windier. The 800 points upwind better. 0 shim for both. Flying through gybes is not tricky. Maybe the 1000 and 800 are easier than the 650 just because the 650 needs more speed but not mUc more. I find all three wings stable. I started using the 1000 and 650 wings with a formula board and the foils became much more lively when a changed the board I use them with a Roberts Flight GT 205x76 130 ish liters. I don't care about utmost upwind angles or the most speed. There is almost no swell to play with when is windy (there is awful chop though) so I settled on a freerace gear.
I am a weekend warrior. Purists may tell you that my combos are sacrilegious but they really work for me. In light wind I tend to do 1 km legs and when it's windier I gybe much more often.

I forgot to mention: a buddy of mine weighs around 65 kg, has almost the same board than me and uses the 1000 and 800 wings. I believe he always uses the 0 shim. He uses the 800 most of the time. The 1000 for very light wind in summer (no whitecaps or barely some) and a 7.5 m sail is his biggest sail.

looking forward to hear your feedback on the 115++ !!

cold be a tad too much for your weight though

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seanhogan said..
looking forward to hear your feedback on the 115++ !!

cold be a tad too much for your weight though

I've sailed a similar foil prior to this. Mast base pushed forward about 10 cm and anything over 12 kts was interesting and 14+ was downright scary. In light wind which we have all summer, it was a hoot. But, yeah, first time on it gusty day, I hadn't shimmed, adjusted enough, front foot in front of the straps and it still wasn't coming back down to earth. Kit came from a bigger fellow so he rode the ++ mostly.

Willywind, thanks much. Looks like we have similar rigs so your input is very helpful. Do you ever use any of the shorter fuses?

btw, ran across an older thread last night (which I'd actually posted in) and good comments from snides8 and cjw which I'm noting. The difference in this case is I have access to some smaller wings which really didn't seem the focus of that thread.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Starboard-Fuse-115-vs-115-?page=1#9

Paducah:

I have the 95+ but rarely use it. The 115+ is so pitch stable that I don't feel like start practicing with the short one. but, I am thinking about using the 95+ more often.

The regular 115 or the new 105+ could be a good compromise but I don't want to add more options to my foil quiver for a while.

Paducah wrote: " Mast base pushed forward about 10 cm and anything over 12 kts was interesting and 14+ was downright scary. In light wind which we have all summer, it was a hoot. But, yeah, first time on it gusty day, I hadn't shimmed, adjusted enough, front foot in front of the straps and it still wasn't coming back down to earth."

That is exactly the reason why I shim to REDUCE the stab down angle. It moves the front foot heaviness further aft toward the back foot. I prefer to let my back foot control how much above earth the thing will fly. I do this with my Moses freeride and race foils.

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segler said..
Paducah wrote: " Mast base pushed forward about 10 cm and anything over 12 kts was interesting and 14+ was downright scary. In light wind which we have all summer, it was a hoot. But, yeah, first time on it gusty day, I hadn't shimmed, adjusted enough, front foot in front of the straps and it still wasn't coming back down to earth."

That is exactly the reason why I shim to REDUCE the stab down angle. It moves the front foot heaviness further aft toward the back foot. I prefer to let my back foot control how much above earth the thing will fly. I do this with my Moses freeride and race foils.

Yes, that's why I shimmed over a degree out of it the next session. Looking back, I'd probably already shimmed out a half degree since that was my default on the regular fuse for that foil. We've lived in a happy coexistence in light air since. It's still very front footed and works delightfully that way when slammed hard in the harness.

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WillyWind said..
Paducah:

I have the 95+ but rarely use it. The 115+ is so pitch stable that I don't feel like start practicing with the short one. but, I am thinking about using the 95+ more often.

The regular 115 or the new 105+ could be a good compromise but I don't want to add more options to my foil quiver for a while.

I don't know if your comment made me save $300 or tempted to offer to buy your 95+. I have the old 115, too, and am tempted to use that for "freeride" unless someone suggests it's not worth the effort.

A buddy of mine uses the 900 115+ setup with an RRD 91 board. He weighs 75kg and always has the backwing shimmed with the +0.5 shim. The setup is paired with IQ 10.0 and 8.0. sails. It was recommended to him by local Olympic IQ foilers.

Makes sense, Dishpet.
Stock setup in '19 was 120 fuselage, 850 front wing. A very long distance waaay forward of the foil mast.
For '20, they moved front wing back, fuze 115.
We had both.

I weigh somewhere between 70-75 kgs and I always use the 900 wing on the 115+ fuse I have the old -2* 255 wing so I use the -1.5* rear shim which puts my angle at 0.5 above neutral.

Thanks all. Promising forecast for light wind session tomorrow so I have some ideas of how to set things up first time out. I'm very appreciative of your time and input.

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LeeD said..
Makes sense, Dishpet.
Stock setup in '19 was 120 fuselage, 850 front wing. A very long distance waaay forward of the foil mast.
For '20, they moved front wing back, fuze 115.
We had both.

120 ???? sure about that ?? never seen it or heard about it !
the new 120 evolution is the renamed 115++ but that's about it

I'm around 73kg
have been using the 115++ for about a year now.
mostly with a -1.5 shim and -2 stab using the 900 and mostly on the 1000.This is pretty nice in winds below 10knots.
Once it gets to 12/15knots I feel it starts to wash out a little down wind.
I then usually change to the 115+ with same stab and 900 or 1000 with the 0 shim.

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Maddlad said..
I weigh somewhere between 70-75 kgs and I always use the 900 wing on the 115+ fuse I have the old -2* 255 wing so I use the -1.5* rear shim which puts my angle at 0.5 above neutral.

Sorry, that should say I have the old 2* 255 rear stabiliser so when I use the -1.5* shim it puts the angle at 0.5 above neutral.

Sean Hogan.
RRD 120, not Starboard 115.

First ride - plus with 900 and -2 stab at zero. 6.7 freeride 2 cam at 105cm or so from the front tuttle screw. Winds maybe 8-14 with some long lulls. Bliss.

Thanks to all who gave their input. It made for an easy day - plug and play. Only downside is the foil is so fast in light air that I'm really getting backwinded hard on some super light air jibes - just not used to carrying that much speed into so little wind. I just need to concentrate a bit more on technique. Last few sessions have been on smaller kit so those skills got a little rusty. Again, appreciate all the comments.

Check the video below at 4:30. He explains what to do on those situations (being backwinded)

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WillyWind said..
Check the video below at 4:30. He explains what to do on those situations (being backwinded)

Thanks, have watched it previously and recommend to others but worth a refresher. One of the things I'm trying to reintegrate into the habit repertoire. The reaction of a 6.7 or 8 is much different than a 5.4 and now that the water is headed into the single digits, I need to pay more attention.

Yes, you can still shim for more stab down angle with a race foil if you use heavy sails, such as the 8.0 and 10.0 mentioned above. The sails provide enough mast base pressure to keep the front wing under control.

Since I foil with 5.0 to 7.0 sails exclusively, I have to shim some of the stab down angle out to prevent excessively heavy front foot. It works.