Looks like windsurfing to me. From the footstraps up, most casual windsurfers would be hard-pressed to notice the difference.

from the PWA website: www.pwaworldtour.com/index.php?id=2298

There are so many videos, tutorials to explain how the windfoil gybe is so different ... But when you look at the pros, it's hard to see the difference from fin slalom: they arrive very fast at the buoy, sheet in the sail like power gybe, engage their body in the carve, put their back foot straight to the other edge, no intermediate steps, etc. Even some of them were doing duck gybe in PWA Pozo event with small sail!!

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Lezardo said..
There are so many videos, tutorials to explain how the windfoil gybe is so different ... But when you look at the pros, it's hard to see the difference from fin slalom: they arrive very fast at the buoy, sheet in the sail like power gybe, engage their body in the carve, put their back foot straight to the other edge, no intermediate steps, etc. Even some of them were doing duck gybe in PWA Pozo event with small sail!!

As a mediocre foiling jiber that sometimes comes through flying, I love the feeling of carving into a foiling jibe on race gear and stepping into the new front and doing the flip. I've even come close to a similar style on freeride gear with a larger cammed sail, slower foil, and narrower board, but there's something about that whole motion that's exciting. Feeling the carve hold you up as turn and steer to the right angle before flipping and carving back upwind...fun!

There seems to be two main styles (step vs. strap) and types (fin vs. foil), so at least 4 main branches of jibes with lots of permutations on other things (like ducking, etc.). But learning foiling jibes is helping me out with my fin jibes because the feel and timing are still very similar, but fin jibes are noisier with the bouncing on plane...fundamentals seem to help regardless of the variant.

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Paducah said..
Looks like windsurfing to me. From the footstraps up, most casual windsurfers would be hard-pressed to notice the difference.

from the PWA website: www.pwaworldtour.com/index.php?id=2298

They are both sailing vessels, but other than using a two sided boom i do not see much else in common btw windsurfing and windfoiling ...

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duzzi said..
They are both sailing vessels, but other than using a two sided boom i do not see much else in common btw windsurfing and windfoiling ...

Boy, are you going to be disappointed when you find out about the Windsurfer LT. Pretty much a sailing SUP with a two sided boom.

aeroegnr, yes, I too find those kind of jibes very fun.

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duzzi said..
They are both sailing vessels, but other than using a two sided boom i do not see much else in common btw windsurfing and windfoiling ...

Boy, are you going to be disappointed when you find out about the Windsurfer LT. Pretty much a sailing SUP with a two sided boom.

aeroegnr, yes, I too find those kind of jibes very fun.

I started on the original windsurfer, with wood boom and triangular sail! And sure a board that is designed mostly for displacement sailing is quite different from the boards that were originally called "fun boards", and that most of us sail nowadays. Still once a windsurf is planing it is planing, and a very big finned board planing is just ... a very big finned board planing, not fundamentally different from a modern slalom or fsw or wave board.

An hydrofoil instead seems to me just a different object.

IMO, As soon as the board leaves the water, your not windsurfing any more. Otherwise it's wouldn't have taken me so long to figure it out.

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Paducah said..
Looks like windsurfing to me. From the footstraps up, most casual windsurfers would be hard-pressed to notice the difference.

from the PWA website: www.pwaworldtour.com/index.php?id=2298

They are both sailing vessels, but other than using a two sided boom i do not see much else in common btw windsurfing and windfoiling ...

Seriously? Come on mate. Everything you use on your slapper is the same on a foiler apart from whats under the water. You're just being intentionally disingenuous.

So is winging the same as kite foiling but with out the string ??

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nerdycross said..
So is winging the same as kite foiling but with out the string ??

Or is it windsurfing without the UJ? (See iRig for comparison)

Still amusing to me

When you compare the types and boards and foils, you quickly conclude that winging is kiting without the string. Both have only two points of downforce (feet) while windfoiling adds a u/j.

Adding a u/j changes the entire geometry of everything. Boards are different, and foils have longer fuses and--generally--smaller wings.

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segler said..
When you compare the types and boards and foils, you quickly conclude that winging is kiting without the string. Both have only two points of downforce (feet) while windfoiling adds a u/j.

Adding a u/j changes the entire geometry of everything. Boards are different, and foils have longer fuses and--generally--smaller wings.

Yes, but, most windsurfers can step on to a SUP with a wing and figure things out in about 2 minutes (just remember to push, not pull when the tip hits the water). Same thing when you get on a foil - it's not that different. I've never touched a kite (except to help launch/land) in my life. And, as winging grows up, advanced wingers are using similar size foil wings as freeride windfoilers, too.

The wing has a lot in common with both windsurf and kite. And, all three are sailing sports so there's a common root and core concepts.

Windsurfing is also called sailboarding, the use of a sail and a board together, no mention of whether on a fin or foil. So it stands to reason that windfoiling is sailboarding and hence windsurfing.
The main difference between foiling and finning in any discipline is the finners tend to spend a lot of time on the beach waiting for enough wind while the foilers are out on the water enjoying themselves.

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airsail said..
Windsurfing is also called sailboarding, the use of a sail and a board together, no mention of whether on a fin or foil. So it stands to reason that windfoiling is sailboarding and hence windsurfing.
The main difference between foiling and finning in any discipline is the finners tend to spend a lot of time on the beach waiting for enough wind while the foilers are out on the water enjoying themselves.

Kind of agree with that, wanted to add that original sailboards had dagger boards, and mainly worked in displacement mode, foiling to me is next step pass planning...

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airsail said..
The main difference between foiling and finning in any discipline is the finners tend to spend a lot of time on the beach waiting for enough wind while the foilers are out on the water enjoying themselves.

That depends. I am now spending just as much time the beach waiting for the wind to get up, but in lighter winds.

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WsurfAustin said..
IMO, As soon as the board leaves the water, your not windsurfing any more. Otherwise it's wouldn't have taken me so long to figure it out.

I agree. 2 different sports.

Has anyone taken up windfoiling who hasnt done windsurfing 1st?

Well yeah. There are foilers competing at high levels who have never windsurfed