This is probably a known thing, but I have been putting some thought to what I do exactly with the sail during the gybe. Seems to me that the sail flip is much less disruptive if I put the mast to the outside of the turn first, but to be able to do this I need to counterbalance it's weight by moving my hips inside. This is my prefered gybe, oversheet followed by later sail flip, but if I am OP sometimes I need to resort to the emiltron early clew release slow flip.

This is my prefered technique.

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coolmove said..
This is my prefered technique.

Looks so effortless. Kind of like an emiltron gybe but instead of waiting to catch up with the sail you are accelerating the flip by pulling on the old front hand. Your mast also stays real vertical so less likely to throw off your balance.

I always try to stay with body and mast in the same direction than the foil mast while jibing.
I think this is only possible with small sails. I don,t use sails bigger than 5,9. Mostly used is 4,8.
Sail in the picture is 4,4

@Coolmove - nice to see another "low boom" sailer. When you put your hand on the mast, do you then let the sail go and let the mast rotate in your hand? (Reaching over with the new front hand?)

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BullroarerTook When you put your hand on the mast, do you then let the sail go and let the mast rotate in your hand? (Reaching over with the new front hand?)

Yes I do. Sometimes when I carve hard for a small turn, I pull the mast to me, let it go and the sail flips itself. Then I catch it at the other side. If you pull hard, the sail flips very fast and stable.
Wider turns I hold the boom or the Mast.
I hope you can understand me, my english is very bad.

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coolmove said..

BullroarerTook When you put your hand on the mast, do you then let the sail go and let the mast rotate in your hand? (Reaching over with the new front hand?)

Yes I do. Sometimes when I carve hard for a small turn, I pull the mast to me, let it go and the sail flips itself. Then I catch it at the other side. If you pull hard, the sail flips very fast and stable.
Wider turns I hold the boom or the Mast.
I hope you can understand me, my english is very bad.

I think I understand. Thanks.

Mostly the same with small sail and small board with inboard straps. Straps to straps jibe, trying to maintain right over the board, and flip the sail first.

When using larger sail race typed, I use the step jibe method (first switch the feet, then flip the sail). But always trying to stay balanced on the board. But I don't sail much with this style.

Jibe avalanche


Also, I don't jibe symmetrically...

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6u1d0 said..
Mostly the same with small sail and small board with inboard straps. Straps to straps jibe, trying to maintain right over the board, and flip the sail first.

When using larger sail race typed, I use the step jibe method (first switch the feet, then flip the sail). But always trying to stay balanced on the board. But I don't sail much with this style.

Jibe avalanche

Also, I don't jibe symmetrically...

Supersmooth

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coolmove said..

BullroarerTook When you put your hand on the mast, do you then let the sail go and let the mast rotate in your hand? (Reaching over with the new front hand?)

Yes I do. Sometimes when I carve hard for a small turn, I pull the mast to me, let it go and the sail flips itself. Then I catch it at the other side. If you pull hard, the sail flips very fast and stable.
Wider turns I hold the boom or the Mast.
I hope you can understand me, my english is very bad.

That's pretty much matches my method. The harder/tighter radius turn, the faster the flip. Mast perpendicular to board, hand on mast 4-5" above the boom. My favorite method with high wind, small sail. Larger sail, I have to tilt the rig more forward and slow things down a bit.

BTW, your english is fine.

My attempt at explaining the flying gybes.

Gybe Fest

Bend knees and get low. Back hand reaches back along the boom. When moving sail forward just befor the flip bring hands back towards the mast to allow a more upright flip. I try to fly low and maintain that height & speed. PS - I'm still crap at them LOL. Watch more vids on the subject

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BSN101 said..
Bend knees and get low. Back hand reaches back along the boom. When moving sail forward just befor the flip bring hands back towards the mast to allow a more upright flip. I try to fly low and maintain that height & speed. PS - I'm still crap at them LOL. Watch more vids on the subject

Straight front arm really worked well today with plenty of great gybes with plenty of speed. Give it a crack.

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berowne said..
My attempt at explaining the flying gybes.

Gybe Fest

This really helped my race sail gybes. Yesterday i was on my 6.2 3 cam race sail and it seems like gybing requires more precision than my single cam freeride sail. Although things seemed to improve during that session especially by focussing on the timing of these three steps
1) lean sail to outside of turn

2) switch feet

3) flip sail by pulling on mast hand


Seems like you have some time to chill after initiating the carve but things seemed to go much better when i did the above the steps one after the other. Any chilling in-between 1 and 2 or 2 and 3 usually ended in a spill.

Berowne:
Great video: if we ever get any wind here, I'm looking forward to putting these tips into action

More progress with race sail gybes today. Seems like waiting about longer before i do those three steps seems to work out better. Guess this is what berowne meant by waiting until dead downwind

You can one of my race sail gybes from yesterday. Black sail at 4:15. Lots of foiling in the rest of the video too

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coolmove said..

Really cool how little the rig moves during the gybe. Stays perpendicular to the board at all times

Reminds me of the andy Brandt joystick analogy

Cool moves mast posotion during gybe also reminds me a lot of Greg glaziers gybe

www.instagram.com/reel/CkfF2lLjF_I/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

I found it on YT

Has his gear wired, thanks for sharing

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coolmove said..
I found it on YT

Cool vid

At the risk of using an over-used phrase: that really is next level.

I'm really comfortable with my jibes and I saw a bunch of stuff to inspire me.

Nice vid that must have been early oct. still in short sleeves this last week east winds have been raging 40knts. And so cold only the mentally ill go out!

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thedoor said..

This is probably a known thing, but I have been putting some thought to what I do exactly with the sail during the gybe. Seems to me that the sail flip is much less disruptive if I put the mast to the outside of the turn first, but to be able to do this I need to counterbalance it's weight by moving my hips inside. This is my prefered gybe, oversheet followed by later sail flip, but if I am OP sometimes I need to resort to the emiltron early clew release slow flip.

Moving the mast to the outside of the turn means the headwind halfway through the jibe actually helps the sail flip making it more efficient than trying to push the clew around the mast. Ofcourse if there's enough wind thats no longer an issue and you end up with the emiltronish jibe.

Its very similar to the technique / physics which allows for high wind sailbody 360s, or more closely, flipping from backwinded to clew first like in a helitack (and loads of other flowstyling tricks) in 16+ knots.

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WhiteofHeart said..

thedoor said..

This is probably a known thing, but I have been putting some thought to what I do exactly with the sail during the gybe. Seems to me that the sail flip is much less disruptive if I put the mast to the outside of the turn first, but to be able to do this I need to counterbalance it's weight by moving my hips inside. This is my prefered gybe, oversheet followed by later sail flip, but if I am OP sometimes I need to resort to the emiltron early clew release slow flip.

Moving the mast to the outside of the turn means the headwind halfway through the jibe actually helps the sail flip making it more efficient than trying to push the clew around the mast. Ofcourse if there's enough wind thats no longer an issue and you end up with the emiltronish jibe.

Its very similar to the technique / physics which allows for high wind sailbody 360s, or more closely, flipping from backwinded to clew first like in a helitack (and loads of other flowstyling tricks) in 16+ knots.

Really interesting comment. I'm getting humbled layely being in overpowered gusty conditions with small (5.6, 4.4) sails and I've had to adapt my jibe technique significantly.

It makes me think that trying more things like helitacks and ducks, etc. can really improve the feel for things. I've accepted that my feel for flipping was extremely crap and now it's still crap but improved after practicing those a bunch.

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WhiteofHeart said..
Moving the mast to the outside of the turn means the headwind halfway through the jibe actually helps the sail flip making it more efficient than trying to push the clew around the mast.

If you are getting swatted off the board on a lightwind jibe by a backwinded sail, that's a sure sign that you aren't moving the sail enough to the outside. Sometimes I get lazy in light winds and my sail "gently" reminds me.

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aeroegnr said..
It makes me think that trying more things like helitacks and ducks, etc. can really improve the feel for things. I've accepted that my feel for flipping was extremely crap and now it's still crap but improved after practicing those a bunch.

+1