Racing starts today in Lanzarote. Ends Sat 3rd.

www.iqfoilclassofficial.org/allinfoworlds24

94 women and 118 men.

Winds look very light today, better tomorrow then strong for a few days.
www.windguru.cz/49319

Not much interaction going on in the IQ Foil FB page.
YT preview (of sorts) here.
?si=7HeAJ6plIR_kRd8N

Anyone know if there will be a stream?

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Dishpet said..
Anyone know if there will be a stream?

Their youtube page says yes for at least day 4, 5 and finals
www.youtube.com/@iqfoilclass
scroll down to "Upcoming live streams". There's also the option to get notifications of the upcoming stream

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PhilUK said..
94 women and 118 men.

Is this a significant reduction in participants from last year's worlds?

From TomS

Today starts IQFOiL World Championships. Australia will be represented by Sammie Costin, Grae Morris, Harry Joyner and Jarrod Jones. We hope to keep you informed on the racing as the week progresses. There will be 94 women and 118 men competing in Lanzarote for the world titles. This will be the last World Championship before IQfoil's Olympic debut this July at the Paris 2024 Olympics.

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John340 said..

PhilUK said..
94 women and 118 men.

Is this a significant reduction in participants from last year's worlds?

The participant numbers are slightly more than 2023

I think The Hague had a restriction to 100 per class. It was part of the World Sailing Championship with about 8-10 different classes.
There were more in 2022 at Brest.
Perhaps people who haven't made the cut for their country for the Olympics have stopped. Auch as Lena Erdil.
The Hague & Brest were cheaper to get to as well, for Europeans. Although Lanzarote would have lots of cheaper accommodation at this time of year.

The forecast hasnt changes much, so hopefully a decent amount of wind.

thank you for these updates. Can one of you try and summarize the olympic selection procedure for this geezer?

PS: did some googling

stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Olympic-Games/Paris-2024/Paris2024-QS-Sailing.pdf

24 spots total for men and women.

Anyone know how many spots are unfilled as of now?

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thedoor said..
thank you for these updates. Can one of you try and summarize the olympic selection procedure for this geezer?

PS: did some googling

stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Olympic-Games/Paris-2024/Paris2024-QS-Sailing.pdf

24 spots total for men and women.

Anyone know how many spots are unfilled as of now?

paris2024.sailing.org/qualification-2/whos-qualified/

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Paducah said..

thedoor said..
thank you for these updates. Can one of you try and summarize the olympic selection procedure for this geezer?

PS: did some googling

stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Olympic-Games/Paris-2024/Paris2024-QS-Sailing.pdf

24 spots total for men and women.

Anyone know how many spots are unfilled as of now?

paris2024.sailing.org/qualification-2/whos-qualified/

Thanks!

Thanks for the links to this. There's a guy here in Austin training for the IQ foil Olympics. I've chased him a few times. Like a hummingbird chasing an eagle . His upwind angles are crazy high compared to mine.

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John340 said..

Is this a significant reduction in participants from last year's worlds?

Standings/results It's a super competitive fleet

2024iqworldslanzarote.sailti.com/en/default/races/race-resultsall

For both fleets and even more in the women's fleet, a lot of names that were top dogs a couple of years back are seeing stiff competition. The level has really gone up and a decent amount of U23 names are placing well.

Looks like Maciek is out. Seeing lots of crash footage on IG

www.instagram.com/reel/C22UvIhInnK/?igsh=MWQ3MDQyMDB2NzkyYg==

Maciek's best result was 13th before the cut, which he didnt make. It just goes to show that as talented as he is, the IQ Foil full timers spend so much time on the kit you cant compete with them.

Luuc Van Opzeeland and Emma Wilson dominating their fleets.

2024iqworldslanzarote.sailti.com/en/default/races/race-resultsall

Agree. And also underscores how impressive a sailor Nico is, the only one who has consistently sailed top 10 (& higher) in both iQ and PWA foil racing over the past few years.

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PhilUK said..
Maciek's best result was 13th before the cut, which he didnt make. It just goes to show that as talented as he is, the IQ Foil full timers spend so much time on the kit you cant compete with them.

Or, in other words, they are better than he is.
Not many pwa sailors can mix it in a professional fleet like iqfoil.

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PhilUK said..
Luuc Van Opzeeland and Emma Wilson dominating their fleets.

Luuc is 3rd in the final, after a wind shift on an upwind leg.
Emma is 2nd, after over early. In previous years with this format, she would have been DSQ'd. But after the farce before where 2 (or was it all 3) were over early and DSQ'd, they have changed the rules for in the final you get a 5 second penalty and go again.
During the week we had slalom and course racing. The medal race was 1 course race.

There is nothing wrong with the previous Olympic format of the top 10 going through to a double point medal race. With that, the races in the week counted, and the final race carried added value and importance.

This current medal race format is just to make it a bit more sexy for TV, and does nothing for the athletes.

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sheddweller said..

PhilUK said..
Maciek's best result was 13th before the cut, which he didnt make. It just goes to show that as talented as he is, the IQ Foil full timers spend so much time on the kit you cant compete with them.

Or, in other words, they are better than he is.
Not many pwa sailors can mix it in a professional fleet like iqfoil.

Its different kit. If you dont train as much on IQ Foil in strong winds you wont have the experience. In PWA Maciek would be on a small front wing and 6m sail.

I think also perhaps the better IQ Foilers have a lot more financial backing and coaching than most PWA sailors.

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PhilUK said..

sheddweller said..

PhilUK said..
Maciek's best result was 13th before the cut, which he didnt make. It just goes to show that as talented as he is, the IQ Foil full timers spend so much time on the kit you cant compete with them.

Or, in other words, they are better than he is.
Not many pwa sailors can mix it in a professional fleet like iqfoil.

Its different kit. If you dont train as much on IQ Foil in strong winds you wont have the experience. In PWA Maciek would be on a small front wing and 6m sail.

I think also perhaps the better IQ Foilers have a lot more financial backing and coaching than most PWA sailors.

Hit the nail on the head.
Whilst Maciek (and other PWA sailors) might be at a disadvantage at getting around an upwind downwind course in IQ, an IQ sailor would be at a disadvantage getting down a slalom course in 30knots of breeze on slalom foil equipment.

there's some baseline differences in how the equipment for each discipline works, but also different tactics at play in each game. The PWA sailors work just as hard at what they do as the IQ foilers do. One discipline does not churn out superior sailors to the other, just sailors with different skill sets.

it's not to say sailors can't cross over and get good at the other discipline, just that there is a respective learning curve to each.

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Subsonic said..

PhilUK said..

sheddweller said..

PhilUK said..
Maciek's best result was 13th before the cut, which he didnt make. It just goes to show that as talented as he is, the IQ Foil full timers spend so much time on the kit you cant compete with them.

Or, in other words, they are better than he is.
Not many pwa sailors can mix it in a professional fleet like iqfoil.

Its different kit. If you dont train as much on IQ Foil in strong winds you wont have the experience. In PWA Maciek would be on a small front wing and 6m sail.

I think also perhaps the better IQ Foilers have a lot more financial backing and coaching than most PWA sailors.

Hit the nail on the head.
Whilst Maciek (and other PWA sailors) might be at a disadvantage at getting around an upwind downwind course in IQ, an IQ sailor would be at a disadvantage getting down a slalom course in 30knots of breeze on slalom foil equipment.

there's some baseline differences in how the equipment for each discipline works, but also different tactics at play in each game. The PWA sailors work just as hard at what they do as the IQ foilers do. One discipline does not churn out superior sailors to the other, just sailors with different skill sets.

it's not to say sailors can't cross over and get good at the other discipline, just that there is a respective learning curve to each.

The olympic fleet is serious, professional and often with the backing of national governing bodies with sports science and medecine availability and proper international training regimes.
The pwa is the best of the rest but is micky mouse in comparison.

that being said... there is 4 PWA guys going to the Olympics:

Sebastian Kordell (2023 IQ Foil World Champion)
Ethan Westera
Johan Soe
Mateus Isaac

but yeah there's been plenty of Olympic class guys jump in to a PWA event and do pretty well (Kiran Badloe was on track for a podium in PWA Japan a few years back but crashed in his last heat) but virtually no PWA guy has ever crossed over to Olympic classes and done well apart from Kordell. It's definitely a completely different level of training and fitness in Olympic classes. On the PWA you need spend much more time figuring out the ins and outs of what equipment combinations work in specific scenarios (which is a LOT of gear combos to test if you combine fin and foil).... you would get more out of choosing the right fin than being 5% fitter (sad but true).

any iq foiler would do well at pwa in 30 knots because they have to use 9.0 and 900 foil in 30 knots with the finale races, marathon, some course races and slalom. (slalom isn't only for light days)

Furthermore you would find that most of the sailors will be able to use that iq kit in up to 40 knots of wind + 3m waves and control it so i think they would have no problem on the much smaller pwa gear even at somewhere like pozo. they are just the best athletes and pwa riders just wouldn't be able to keep up with the training the iq guys put in.

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len024 said..
any iq foiler would do well at pwa in 30 knots because they have to use 9.0 and 900 foil in 30 knots with the finale races, marathon, some course races and slalom. (slalom isn't only for light days)

Furthermore you would find that most of the sailors will be able to use that iq kit in up to 40 knots of wind + 3m waves and control it so i think they would have no problem on the much smaller pwa gear even at somewhere like pozo. they are just the best athletes and pwa riders just wouldn't be able to keep up with the training the iq guys put in.

I know you race IQ, but 40knots of wind? With 3m swell on top of that? On IQ gear? I think you're stretching the truth a bit there.

I've watched enough live IQ races with not anywhere near those conditions, and they're looking sketchy. Don't get me wrong the guys at the top end of IQ are top notch, they can handle a lot more breeze than average joe on the IQ kit, but there's "handling it" and there's surviving it (with a fair bit of luck thrown in.).

Im yet to see an IQ event being held in 40knots, but i'd be happy to watch as a spectator if it did happen.

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Subsonic said..

len024 said..
any iq foiler would do well at pwa in 30 knots because they have to use 9.0 and 900 foil in 30 knots with the finale races, marathon, some course races and slalom. (slalom isn't only for light days)

Furthermore you would find that most of the sailors will be able to use that iq kit in up to 40 knots of wind + 3m waves and control it so i think they would have no problem on the much smaller pwa gear even at somewhere like pozo. they are just the best athletes and pwa riders just wouldn't be able to keep up with the training the iq guys put in.

I know you race IQ, but 40knots of wind? With 3m swell on top of that? On IQ gear? I think you're stretching the truth a bit there.

I've watched enough live IQ races with not anywhere near those conditions, and they're looking sketchy. Don't get me wrong the guys at the top end of IQ are top notch, they can handle a lot more breeze than average joe on the IQ kit, but there's "handling it" and there's surviving it (with a fair bit of luck thrown in.).

Im yet to see an IQ event being held in 40knots, but i'd be happy to watch as a spectator if it did happen.

Brest was as close as we got to those 40 knots, they managed to do the races albeit with crashing downwind.


Imo the IQ foilers are better than the PWA guys, TOW year round, financial backing from yacht clubs, coaches on boats etc.
If the 10 best IQers joined the PWA it would suddenly be like 10 Goyards joined in.

Each have transferable skills for the other's discipline - and both have proven to be able to do (very!) well in the other's - but both disciplines are so specialized that neither would always dominate the other on their own turf.

wondering how much of IQ is strategy reading windshifts etc versus PWA which seems to be balls out, and if that may explain why the PWA guys don't dominate IQ outside of goyard

Definitely agree that kit familiarity plays a huge roll in successful foiling and I can see the challenge of switching from PWA gear to IQ.

they would they train in up to 40 knots so in 30 they aren't thinking about it and just focussing on going the right way.

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thedoor said..
wondering how much of IQ is strategy reading windshifts etc versus PWA which seems to be balls out, and if that may explain why the PWA guys don't dominate IQ outside of goyard

Definitely agree that kit familiarity plays a huge roll in successful foiling and I can see the challenge of switching from PWA gear to IQ.

Definitely completely different strategy wise. Having done both slalom and iqfoil racing, my skiff racing background helps me be competitive in Foil racing (upwind/downwind) where-as slalom is more about speed & gybing well imo.