Hi all,

I just had a deeper look to the Goya Fringe sails and bought a used one in 4,5.
Me 90 KG / Slingshot Infinity 76 / Wizard 125
Then I was out in marginal conditions with 8-12/13 nods as far as I guess.
In the 11/12 nods gusts I went up and flow away !!!
Crazy all the fin surfers ( also the light ones) had their biggest material.
Sure they planned earlier and longer as me with 4,5. But they had 9 square meters in avg.
Only less ones with smaller then 9 meter.

So a big success !!
Now I only don't know what I should use as biggest sail.
Currently I have a gunsails beat in 6,9 from 2014.
I'm a bit sceptical to use a 5,3 as biggest light wind sail and I#m not sure if I should take better a 5,5 or 5,7??

So I hope you can help me with your experiences.

Thanks a very lot in advance !!

Keep Flying
Michi

At 95 kg, my biggest sail is a 7.0. For freeride foiling I don't need bigger (unless I want to race). My smallest is a 5.0.

So 5.0 and 7.0 are the range that covers 97.42873% of conditions I foil in. Don't need much else.

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segler said..
At 95 kg, my biggest sail is a 7.0. For freeride foiling I don't need bigger (unless I want to race). My smallest is a 5.0.

So 5.0 and 7.0 are the range that covers 97.42873% of conditions I foil in. Don't need much else.

Yes quite the same at my end currently. BUT the Finge is a completely other sail. The early power it provides is so crazy. I assume your 7,0 is not a fringe... ;-)

My biggest wavesail for foiling is a 4.9 S2Maui Dragon. Leaves me not having to touch the water ever again in 10-13 knots with 900cm2 foil, 105L board and 91Kg. Below that I move to my race foil with racing sail. Below 10 knots a non-cammed sail loses much of its performance anyway because of the big lulls (here at least) in which the profile collapses.

I have a 5.7, but never use it, it doesnt add much lowend compared to the 4.9, mostly because the conditions get gustier in the low end and the gusts are enough to get me flying with either sail and in too minimal conditions the lulls are too big to allow me to keep flying with either sail.

The fringe is a very popular sail for foiling in the gorge ,being a three batten they have lots of low end and the newer ones hold their shape better in over powered conditions. For foiling people I know like them because they are light and come in very small size 2.8 ,Simmer also has a three batten Tricera starts with 3.4 to 5.0 and S2 Maui also offer three batten.Myself I use 4 batten almost as light as a three and hold shape a bit better for me at least.
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I use a 2018 6.3 Fringe as my largest sail. I use it for both foiling (with large foils), windSUP plus slog and ride.
I think the newer ones might be better suited to foiling but this one works nicely, I'm able to get going when other people are using 7.5-8.5m and race foils.
I don't have any smaller Fringes but I may try them once my current quiver of QU4Ds start to wear out.

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segler said..
At 95 kg, my biggest sail is a 7.0. For freeride foiling I don't need bigger (unless I want to race). My smallest is a 5.0.

So 5.0 and 7.0 are the range that covers 97.42873% of conditions I foil in. Don't need much else.

Yes quite the same at my end currently. BUT the Finge is a completely other sail. The early power it provides is so crazy. I assume your 7,0 is not a fringe... ;-)

The Fringe is amazing. I have a 5.0 (2020 model.. which I think is not that different from the earlier model except materials changed a bit).
The sail is so direct, alive, it really 'talks' to you. You immediately feel what it wants. The sail has a very clear sweetspot, and it just talks to you, tells you where that sweetspot is. If you're out of the sweetspot it is still forgiving (it just powers down), a few adjustments and you're back in it.

It also allows me to go upwind like crazy!! Everytime I am out foiling on the 5.0 there are fin windsurfers with their 8+ meter sails barely going. And I am just charging around. So much fun! Paired with the Goya skinny boom, and 85 goya mast, the rig is so light. Such a pleasure to control and learn jibes.

It took me months to gather the belief that I may need to invest in the Fringe + rig, but I tell ya.. its a constant return on investment!

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michaelpaf said..

segler said..
At 95 kg, my biggest sail is a 7.0. For freeride foiling I don't need bigger (unless I want to race). My smallest is a 5.0.

So 5.0 and 7.0 are the range that covers 97.42873% of conditions I foil in. Don't need much else.

Yes quite the same at my end currently. BUT the Finge is a completely other sail. The early power it provides is so crazy. I assume your 7,0 is not a fringe... ;-)

The Fringe is amazing. I have a 5.0 (2020 model.. which I think is not that different from the earlier model except materials changed a bit).
The sail is so direct, alive, it really 'talks' to you. You immediately feel what it wants. The sail has a very clear sweetspot, and it just talks to you, tells you where that sweetspot is. If you're out of the sweetspot it is still forgiving (it just powers down), a few adjustments and you're back in it.

It also allows me to go upwind like crazy!! Everytime I am out foiling on the 5.0 there are fin windsurfers with their 8+ meter sails barely going. And I am just charging around. So much fun! Paired with the Goya skinny boom, and 85 goya mast, the rig is so light. Such a pleasure to control and learn jibes.

It took me months to gather the belief that I may need to invest in the Fringe + rig, but I tell ya.. its a constant return on investment!

The Fringe is for me really a complete new World in Windfoiling. It opens the door to heaven.
Everything you wrote I can agree by 100%. For me new was also that with sheeting in it get's a little turbo !!

I'm only still not completely sure what is the biggest size I need.
What is your driver weight and foil setup?
This would be really interessting !
If possible it would be great to get your estimation about the windrange. I only tested the low end power with 4,5 in 8-12/13 nods.

Thanks a very lot for your experiences.
It sounds that a 5,3 would be an option.

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KDog said..
The fringe is a very popular sail for foiling in the gorge ,being a three batten they have lots of low end and the newer ones hold their shape better in over powered conditions. For foiling people I know like them because they are light and come in very small size 2.8 ,Simmer also has a three batten Tricera starts with 3.4 to 5.0 and S2 Maui also offer three batten.Myself I use 4 batten almost as light as a three and hold shape a bit better for me at least.
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I have really no clou about the pro's and con's of the tricera compared to the Fringe. Simmer seems to have more CC Mast bend curve as Goya and Gun. So I guess the masts I have will then not be compatible for all sails.
www.peterman.dk/masts-all-imcs01.htm

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WhiteofHeart said..
My biggest wavesail for foiling is a 4.9 S2Maui Dragon. Leaves me not having to touch the water ever again in 10-13 knots with 900cm2 foil, 105L board and 91Kg. Below that I move to my race foil with racing sail. Below 10 knots a non-cammed sail loses much of its performance anyway because of the big lulls (here at least) in which the profile collapses.

I have a 5.7, but never use it, it doesnt add much lowend compared to the 4.9, mostly because the conditions get gustier in the low end and the gusts are enough to get me flying with either sail and in too minimal conditions the lulls are too big to allow me to keep flying with either sail.

Very great ...Sounds incredbile!! Where do you go out? On Wave Spots or on Flat water? I guess with waves the sail can be a bit smaller as on flat water.
The difference between 5,7 and 4,9 is really so small???
When do you get flying? How many knots do you need ...estimated?

Has S2 Maui the same Mast Bend Curve with round 13,5-15 ? Tendence to a bit Flex Top?
www.peterman.dk/masts-all-imcs01.htm

Here a little video of last Saturday. 54 kms on the foil .



My setup is a AFS 95 - F800 wing foil (it's the biggest and slowest wing). Goya Bolt 127 liter board (freerace, fin, foil ready), and the fringe 5.0. I easily reach speeds of 36 km/h. My weight is 75 kg.

I have a Ezzy Hydra 6.7 sail, but it works less good than the Fringe. Less upwind, more backpains.. it's becoming annoying. And I recently tried with a Goya Nexus 6.4 freeride sail. Seems to work a bit better than the Ezzy. But again.. rig is heavy, huge.

Once you've foiled with the little and nimble yet so powerful Fringe it's a big ask to go back to the big heavier and sluggish sails.
I have the same question too: what could be my big sail.. maybe a larger Fringe the biggest is 6.3. But for now since the entire set up has not been cheap I try not to buy anymore and just to maximize with what I have, learning my jibes.

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Here a little video of last Saturday. 54 kms on the foil .

My setup is a AFS 95 - F800 wing foil (it's the biggest and slowest wing). Goya Bolt 127 liter board (freerace, fin, foil ready), and the fringe 5.0. I easily reach speeds of 36 km/h. My weight is 75 kg.

I have a Ezzy Hydra 6.7 sail, but it works less good than the Fringe. Less upwind, more backpains.. it's becoming annoying. And I recently tried with a Goya Nexus 6.4 freeride sail. Seems to work a bit better than the Ezzy. But again.. rig is heavy, huge.

Once you've foiled with the little and nimble yet so powerful Fringe it's a big ask to go back to the big heavier and sluggish sails.
I have the same question too: what could be my big sail.. maybe a larger Fringe the biggest is 6.3. But for now since the entire set up has not been cheap I try not to buy anymore and just to maximize with what I have, learning my jibes.

The Session looks great...and not to much wind ...
I'm have guessed that the 5,0 perhaps is enough for your weight as biggest sail with F800 light wind wing??

How many Wind do you think you had?

With the Nexus I have compared last weekend with a Friend. He had a Goya Nexus 7,5 on same foil comparable driver weight. The advantage in earlier flying was minimal with 3 sqm more !!

Guess a 6,3 works also not so efficient, but I'm not sure. Also it's a sail at the end of the range. And an old rule tells that this sails are mostly not as good as the rest of the offered sails. My feeling say's that a Fringe from 5,3 to 5,7 will be most efficient. But as you highlighted. The entry prices are not so cheap. So I want be really happy with that one I want to buy. Used ones are really rare....

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MProject04 said..
Here a little video of last Saturday. 54 kms on the foil .

My setup is a AFS 95 - F800 wing foil (it's the biggest and slowest wing). Goya Bolt 127 liter board (freerace, fin, foil ready), and the fringe 5.0. I easily reach speeds of 36 km/h. My weight is 75 kg.

I have a Ezzy Hydra 6.7 sail, but it works less good than the Fringe. Less upwind, more backpains.. it's becoming annoying. And I recently tried with a Goya Nexus 6.4 freeride sail. Seems to work a bit better than the Ezzy. But again.. rig is heavy, huge.

Once you've foiled with the little and nimble yet so powerful Fringe it's a big ask to go back to the big heavier and sluggish sails.
I have the same question too: what could be my big sail.. maybe a larger Fringe the biggest is 6.3. But for now since the entire set up has not been cheap I try not to buy anymore and just to maximize with what I have, learning my jibes.

The Session looks great...and not to much wind ...
I'm have guessed that the 5,0 perhaps is enough for your weight as biggest sail with F800 light wind wing??

How many Wind do you think you had?

With the Nexus I have compared last weekend with a Friend. He had a Goya Nexus 7,5 on same foil comparable driver weight. The advantage in earlier flying was minimal with 3 sqm more !!

Guess a 6,3 works also not so efficient, but I'm not sure. Also it's a sail at the end of the range. And an old rule tells that this sails are mostly not as good as the rest of the offered sails. My feeling say's that a Fringe from 5,3 to 5,7 will be most efficient. But as you highlighted. The entry prices are not so cheap. So I want be really happy with that one I want to buy. Used ones are really rare....

There was about 10-11 kts wind.. gusts probably 12-14 kts. To be honest: my pumping technique sucks totally. A more experienced rider I know (local Goya dealer) goes out in these conditions with 4.5 - 4.0 Fringes. He can pump and get going without problem.

The more I use the Fringe 5.0 the easier I get going in lower and lower winds. I am now entering the range that was previously reserved for the Ezzy Hydra 6.7 and the Nexus 6.4. So now I have quite an overlap where the Fringe works fine, and the Hydra works too but is heavier and more a pain. Just put the Hydra up for sale . The Hydra clocks maybe 2 km/h faster but the overall sensation is more pain, struggle, fatigue. The Fringe just keeps asking me for more! I ride effortlessly with it.

Yes, I am now also starting to believe the 5.0 is the biggest sail needed for the f800 wing.

My favorite part of the video was the verbal comment at 0:27. Sounds like when I jibe, or try to.

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MProject04 said..

michaelpaf said..

MProject04 said..
Here a little video of last Saturday. 54 kms on the foil .

My setup is a AFS 95 - F800 wing foil (it's the biggest and slowest wing). Goya Bolt 127 liter board (freerace, fin, foil ready), and the fringe 5.0. I easily reach speeds of 36 km/h. My weight is 75 kg.

I have a Ezzy Hydra 6.7 sail, but it works less good than the Fringe. Less upwind, more backpains.. it's becoming annoying. And I recently tried with a Goya Nexus 6.4 freeride sail. Seems to work a bit better than the Ezzy. But again.. rig is heavy, huge.

Once you've foiled with the little and nimble yet so powerful Fringe it's a big ask to go back to the big heavier and sluggish sails.
I have the same question too: what could be my big sail.. maybe a larger Fringe the biggest is 6.3. But for now since the entire set up has not been cheap I try not to buy anymore and just to maximize with what I have, learning my jibes.

The Session looks great...and not to much wind ...
I'm have guessed that the 5,0 perhaps is enough for your weight as biggest sail with F800 light wind wing??

How many Wind do you think you had?

With the Nexus I have compared last weekend with a Friend. He had a Goya Nexus 7,5 on same foil comparable driver weight. The advantage in earlier flying was minimal with 3 sqm more !!

Guess a 6,3 works also not so efficient, but I'm not sure. Also it's a sail at the end of the range. And an old rule tells that this sails are mostly not as good as the rest of the offered sails. My feeling say's that a Fringe from 5,3 to 5,7 will be most efficient. But as you highlighted. The entry prices are not so cheap. So I want be really happy with that one I want to buy. Used ones are really rare....

There was about 10-11 kts wind.. gusts probably 12-14 kts. To be honest: my pumping technique sucks totally. A more experienced rider I know (local Goya dealer) goes out in these conditions with 4.5 - 4.0 Fringes. He can pump and get going without problem.

The more I use the Fringe 5.0 the easier I get going in lower and lower winds. I am now entering the range that was previously reserved for the Ezzy Hydra 6.7 and the Nexus 6.4. So now I have quite an overlap where the Fringe works fine, and the Hydra works too but is heavier and more a pain. Just put the Hydra up for sale . The Hydra clocks maybe 2 km/h faster but the overall sensation is more pain, struggle, fatigue. The Fringe just keeps asking me for more! I ride effortlessly with it.

Yes, I am now also starting to believe the 5.0 is the biggest sail needed for the f800 wing.

Pumping technique is surely one important thing. Compared with my 6,9 beat the pumping with the goya fringe is much more easier and efficient. When I saw the Hydra first time I was sceptical about the shape and thought that it is surely bad for Duck Jibing :-)
The Fringe is really inviting for all the crazy nice manover stuff... :-)
What weight has your local Goya Dealer? And with what stuff is he outside in so marginal winds?

I readed also reviews about the Banzai, that they have also a lot of power also in the lower end.
In one review I readed that the Fringe 5,3 has same power as the Banzai 5,8.
Basing on current experiences with other sails this is very difficult to believe.
Has here someone experiences with the Banzai compared with the Fringe?
Has some experiences with a bigger Fringe in 5,3 or 5,5 or 5,7?

I have round 15 KG more than you and when I buy a new one I want to buy that one I'll have most fun.
Yes I know everything is a compromise but then let's say the best compromise ;-)

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segler said..
My favorite part of the video was the verbal comment at 0:27. Sounds like when I jibe, or try to.

I laughed there also !! :-) One tipp for the jibe:

Put your backhand before both harnes lines bevore you start with the jibe and make loooooonnnnnggggg arms....

The biggest difference between the 2018 Fringe I have and the 2019+ is where the bottom batten ends. On the newer sails it's right where the boom attaches which I think is part of why they work so well.
My 2018 is a decent foil sail but you simply can't pump it that hard without ruining the airflow which limits the bottom end. In a way it feels like pumping a bag, if you disrupt the shape it loses all drive. The constant pull suits foot pumping very well however and nothing else I've sailed is as easy in the gybe for the size (short boom does that).
My HSM QU4Ds are a totally different feel, they pump like an elastic and can handle really aggressive pumps.
If the later model Fringes can combine the two characters then I see why everyone raves about them.

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michaelpaf said..

MProject04 said..

michaelpaf said..

MProject04 said..
Here a little video of last Saturday. 54 kms on the foil .

My setup is a AFS 95 - F800 wing foil (it's the biggest and slowest wing). Goya Bolt 127 liter board (freerace, fin, foil ready), and the fringe 5.0. I easily reach speeds of 36 km/h. My weight is 75 kg.

I have a Ezzy Hydra 6.7 sail, but it works less good than the Fringe. Less upwind, more backpains.. it's becoming annoying. And I recently tried with a Goya Nexus 6.4 freeride sail. Seems to work a bit better than the Ezzy. But again.. rig is heavy, huge.

Once you've foiled with the little and nimble yet so powerful Fringe it's a big ask to go back to the big heavier and sluggish sails.
I have the same question too: what could be my big sail.. maybe a larger Fringe the biggest is 6.3. But for now since the entire set up has not been cheap I try not to buy anymore and just to maximize with what I have, learning my jibes.

The Session looks great...and not to much wind ...
I'm have guessed that the 5,0 perhaps is enough for your weight as biggest sail with F800 light wind wing??

How many Wind do you think you had?

With the Nexus I have compared last weekend with a Friend. He had a Goya Nexus 7,5 on same foil comparable driver weight. The advantage in earlier flying was minimal with 3 sqm more !!

Guess a 6,3 works also not so efficient, but I'm not sure. Also it's a sail at the end of the range. And an old rule tells that this sails are mostly not as good as the rest of the offered sails. My feeling say's that a Fringe from 5,3 to 5,7 will be most efficient. But as you highlighted. The entry prices are not so cheap. So I want be really happy with that one I want to buy. Used ones are really rare....

There was about 10-11 kts wind.. gusts probably 12-14 kts. To be honest: my pumping technique sucks totally. A more experienced rider I know (local Goya dealer) goes out in these conditions with 4.5 - 4.0 Fringes. He can pump and get going without problem.

The more I use the Fringe 5.0 the easier I get going in lower and lower winds. I am now entering the range that was previously reserved for the Ezzy Hydra 6.7 and the Nexus 6.4. So now I have quite an overlap where the Fringe works fine, and the Hydra works too but is heavier and more a pain. Just put the Hydra up for sale . The Hydra clocks maybe 2 km/h faster but the overall sensation is more pain, struggle, fatigue. The Fringe just keeps asking me for more! I ride effortlessly with it.

Yes, I am now also starting to believe the 5.0 is the biggest sail needed for the f800 wing.

Pumping technique is surely one important thing. Compared with my 6,9 beat the pumping with the goya fringe is much more easier and efficient. When I saw the Hydra first time I was sceptical about the shape and thought that it is surely bad for Duck Jibing :-)
The Fringe is really inviting for all the crazy nice manover stuff... :-)
What weight has your local Goya Dealer? And with what stuff is he outside in so marginal winds?

I readed also reviews about the Banzai, that they have also a lot of power also in the lower end.
In one review I readed that the Fringe 5,3 has same power as the Banzai 5,8.
Basing on current experiences with other sails this is very difficult to believe.
Has here someone experiences with the Banzai compared with the Fringe?
Has some experiences with a bigger Fringe in 5,3 or 5,5 or 5,7?

I have round 15 KG more than you and when I buy a new one I want to buy that one I'll have most fun.
Yes I know everything is a compromise but then let's say the best compromise ;-)

I guess the local Goya dealer is similar...75-85 kgs perhaps. Check his most recent videos on vimeo.com/mauiee
He's just received his 105 liter Goya Airbolt !!! And he uses Moses foil 1100 wing.

He foils regularly with the Goya Bounce (4.8) and Fringe's (sub 5.0 down to 3.0!)

You can see in the videos with how little wind he gets going.

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segler said..
My favorite part of the video was the verbal comment at 0:27. Sounds like when I jibe, or try to.

I laughed there also !! :-) One tipp for the jibe:

Put your backhand before both harnes lines bevore you start with the jibe and make loooooonnnnnggggg arms....

thanks!

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segler said..
My favorite part of the video was the verbal comment at 0:27. Sounds like when I jibe, or try to.

Michaelpaf I have test rode both the 2019/20 fringe in 4.7-5.0 not foiling but in crossoff waves did they get me going any sooner than my Simmer Blacktips no but they are light and with a light boom and mast they feel really fun the newer ones just look more refined than the older models.
I foil with the same 125 wizard 76 inf. my most used sail is my 4.2 then i make the jump to a 5.0 have never even tried my 5.3 its windy were I live. I think you could make a full meter jump to the 5.5 but the 5.3 might be the same power. My other fave sail for foiling is a 3.7 Naish force IV feels really light in the hands jibes real nice

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KDog said..
Michaelpaf I have test rode both the 2019/20 fringe in 4.7-5.0 not foiling but in crossoff waves did they get me going any sooner than my Simmer Blacktips no but they are light and with a light boom and mast they feel really fun the newer ones just look more refined than the older models.
I foil with the same 125 wizard 76 inf. my most used sail is my 4.2 then i make the jump to a 5.0 have never even tried my 5.3 its windy were I live. I think you could make a full meter jump to the 5.5 but the 5.3 might be the same power. My other fave sail for foiling is a 3.7 Naish force IV feels really light in the hands jibes real nice

So I'm living in the middle of Bavaria. Foiling most of time on a little lake 1,5 x 1,5 km....so wind is more some rare thing....So I need to fit my material also for light wind session 8-12 knots.
When you jump from 4,2 to 5,0 this would be quite comparable with a jump at my side from 4,5 to 5,3. Now I got a 100% 400 rdm mast. That would fit perfekt on that 5,3.
5,5 or bigger I don't find anywhere used....seems to be used very rarely...however...

If you compare the windrage between 4,2 and 5,0 what is your feeling what they have for windranges?
Can I ask for your weight?

Thx for all the information.

Yea that's hard to answer this is only my second season wind foiling and last year I did not really go enough.I know now that every session I learn more and it seems I can be more efficient with sail size me at 80kg,if i had a really good 10 to 12 knots no big holes ect. yea I could make the 5.0 work,8 knots no way. I'am kind of an old schoool windsurfer no hand held wind meter i just look at the water texture and rig what I think will work.Their are a lot of variables in foiling foil size,sail type.board ect. so one answer does not apply to everyone.

I'm really interested in the Fringe but wow they are expensive.



In the comments on this video Greg says for the fringe...
4.2 9-13knots
3.7 13-17knots
3.3 15-23 knots
2.8 23-40 knots

That seems crazy to me, I use a 5 batten wave sail and my 5.2 works from about 12knots. It's hard to know which size I should go for because it seems a direct replacement for my 5.2 would actually be something a smaller if I can keep improving my pumping skills.

Greg gave me excellent advice. When got my fringe I dm-ed him on insta for soms tuning advice . Concerning wind range listed.. I guess that is linked to pumping ability. The rig with Goya mast and skinny boom is omg feather lite! Thus I am not surprised.

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Martiin said..
I'm really interested in the Fringe but wow they are expensive.

In the comments on this video Greg says for the fringe...
4.2 9-13knots
3.7 13-17knots
3.3 15-23 knots
2.8 23-40 knots

That seems crazy to me, I use a 5 batten wave sail and my 5.2 works from about 12knots. It's hard to know which size I should go for because it seems a direct replacement for my 5.2 would actually be something a smaller if I can keep improving my pumping skills.

Hey thanks !!
This is so crazy!!!!!
One year ago with fin my biggest sail was 8,6 with 2 cams!!
Now i hate cams!!!
Sorry off topic !!

So the range posted in that Video I'm sure do Not Work for me. No clou what is their weight and if the carbon setup provides more lift??

I can only speak about my First Session.
Fringe 4,5 in 8 to 10 knots... tooo small..
For me it worked at estimated 12 knots.
So for our lower Wind days i need a bigger one...
Big question is..will a 5,3 work?
How many knots less will it need to Support me Flying??
Will this reduce the neefed Wind about 2 or 3or 4 knots??

For windfoiling imo it's possible to have bigger gaps between sail sizes, e. g. i can jump from my 6.9 Nexus to a 5.7 Banzai or from my 6.3 Fringe to a 5.0 Banzai without missing the size inbetween.
With classic windsurfing that's different.
So you may think about a 5.5 Fringe for lightwind and still have a comfortable gap to the 4.5 if you use the sails just for foiling.
For classic windsurfing i'd put a 5.0 inbetween.

Alex

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AlexF said..
For windfoiling imo it's possible to have bigger gaps between sail sizes, e. g. i can jump from my 6.9 Nexus to a 5.7 Banzai or from my 6.3 Fringe to a 5.0 Banzai without missing the size inbetween.
With classic windsurfing that's different.
So you may think about a 5.5 Fringe for lightwind and still have a comfortable gap to the 4.5 if you use the sails just for foiling.
For classic windsurfing i'd put a 5.0 inbetween.

Alex

For me it's only for foiling. :-) No reason currently to take fin. :-)

I go 6.3 Fringe to 5.2 QU4D and that gap is about perfect. I don't think I'd need or want more options and the Fringe is quite a bit more powerful by size.
If I convert my quiver to Fringes I may only use a 5.7 as the biggest however.

Maybe an idea to try contacting Goya Windsurfing and Jason Diffin? I think they'll provide you with a clear answer. If you post your question on their sail review corner on their website you may get a personal email from the man himself
They've been testing foils and windfoil boards a lot lately, no doubt with the Fringe

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MProject04 said..
Maybe an idea to try contacting Goya Windsurfing and Jason Diffin? I think they'll provide you with a clear answer. If you post your question on their sail review corner on their website you may get a personal email from the man himself
They've been testing foils and windfoil boards a lot lately, no doubt with the Fringe

Great idea!!! That I'll do before I buy Something. I gues 5,7 to 4,5 is feasable.
Perhaps for our small gusty lot of 8-11 knots day lake the better option.
Especially when I tend to a smaller Board. Wizard v3 114 instead of v2 125.
Bit really not sure if 5,7 will be a Session rescuer compared to 5,3???

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segler said..
At 95 kg, my biggest sail is a 7.0. For freeride foiling I don't need bigger (unless I want to race). My smallest is a 5.0.

So 5.0 and 7.0 are the range that covers 97.42873% of conditions I foil in. Don't need much else.

Yes quite the same at my end currently. BUT the Finge is a completely other sail. The early power it provides is so crazy. I assume your 7,0 is not a fringe... ;-)

I am using 8.2 Sailworks Flyer with infinity 99 foil as my very light days (weight 225). After this discussion, I am now wondering if I could get smaller Fringe and use a smaller set-up. I appreciate comments for comparison of the performance in between bigger foil sails with Fringe to help me with this question.

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Martiin said..
I'm really interested in the Fringe but wow they are expensive.

In the comments on this video Greg says for the fringe...
4.2 9-13knots
3.7 13-17knots
3.3 15-23 knots
2.8 23-40 knots

That seems crazy to me, I use a 5 batten wave sail and my 5.2 works from about 12knots. It's hard to know which size I should go for because it seems a direct replacement for my 5.2 would actually be something a smaller if I can keep improving my pumping skills.

The sail's mast on both boards in the video (one of the boards looks like the new 90 litre Wizard) appears to be only a few inches from the nose of the board (right at the front of the mast track).