I got my hands on a few 2018 flyers, with the intention of doing some flatwater blasting. Anyway after one session I am sold.

The 6.0 flyer didn't seem to pump up onto the foil as easy as my 5.7 Lift, but this could be a technique/skill issue. Unlike the lift, the flyer didn't become unmanageable with increasing windspeed + board speed. And it provides a very consistent pull, during gusts. Also it was able to maintain power on a broad reach much better. Rigging is super easy, the hardest thing is to remember to zip up the cam pockets before getting on the water.

Although the flyer doesn't really compare to a race sail, I am getting a sense of why slalom and racer dudes are willing to put up with the hassle and weight of big cambered sails.

All my foiling sails are Flyers -- 7, 6, 5.2 and 4.5 and I'm thinking of a 3.9. Before these I used Retros and a 4.8 Hucker. I like the Flyers much better (much better control).

I aspire to become as good a foiler as thedoor and some others on this forum.

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All my foiling sails are Flyers -- 7, 6, 5.2 and 4.5 and I'm thinking of a 3.9. Before these I used Retros and a 4.8 Hucker. I like the Flyers much better (much better control).

I aspire to become as good a foiler as thedoor and some others on this forum.

Haha, thanks.

Currently, I own three lifts, three flyers, 2 wave sails with 3 more on order. They all have different strengths and weaknesses.

I don't use the smaller lifts much anymore. The bigger lift will probably be my light wind swell riding sail (i99/big board) because it pumps so good and the i99 doesn't go fast enough to create the apparent wind to overpower the lift. Wave sails for when there is good swell and good wind and flyers for flatwater blasting.

Seems to me that I dig every style of wind foiling I have tried so far (big lifty foils in light wind, high wind swell riding, flatwater blasting). Next thing on the list might be some of this

windsurf.star-board.com/products-2020/iqfoil/

Anyone tried the Flyer 3.9? My smallest flyer is the 5.2m and I'm wondering if cams help in the smaller sizes. My wave sails 3.0, 3.7 & 4.2 seem to work well in stronger winds.

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thedoor said..

dejavu said..
All my foiling sails are Flyers -- 7, 6, 5.2 and 4.5 and I'm thinking of a 3.9. Before these I used Retros and a 4.8 Hucker. I like the Flyers much better (much better control).

I aspire to become as good a foiler as thedoor and some others on this forum.

Haha, thanks.

Currently, I own three lifts, three flyers, 2 wave sails with 3 more on order. They all have different strengths and weaknesses.

I don't use the smaller lifts much anymore. The bigger lift will probably be my light wind swell riding sail (i99/big board) because it pumps so good and the i99 doesn't go fast enough to create the apparent wind to overpower the lift. Wave sails for when there is good swell and good wind and flyers for flatwater blasting.

Seems to me that I dig every style of wind foiling I have tried so far (big lifty foils in light wind, high wind swell riding, flatwater blasting). Next thing on the list might be some of this

windsurf.star-board.com/products-2020/iqfoil/

Maybe 10 years ago I might have been interested in something like the IQ; however, I've sworn off big sails (9.0 metre is what I consider big, although I used to sail a 12.5 metre -- good way to end up with back issues). I'm going the other way -- I'm going to keep it as simple as possible so I can keep foiling for as long as possible.

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dejavu said..

thedoor said..

dejavu said..
All my foiling sails are Flyers -- 7, 6, 5.2 and 4.5 and I'm thinking of a 3.9. Before these I used Retros and a 4.8 Hucker. I like the Flyers much better (much better control).

I aspire to become as good a foiler as thedoor and some others on this forum.

Haha, thanks.

Currently, I own three lifts, three flyers, 2 wave sails with 3 more on order. They all have different strengths and weaknesses.

I don't use the smaller lifts much anymore. The bigger lift will probably be my light wind swell riding sail (i99/big board) because it pumps so good and the i99 doesn't go fast enough to create the apparent wind to overpower the lift. Wave sails for when there is good swell and good wind and flyers for flatwater blasting.

Seems to me that I dig every style of wind foiling I have tried so far (big lifty foils in light wind, high wind swell riding, flatwater blasting). Next thing on the list might be some of this

windsurf.star-board.com/products-2020/iqfoil/

Maybe 10 years ago I might have been interested in something like the IQ; however, I've sworn off big sails (9.0 metre is what I consider big, although I used to sail a 12.5 metre -- good way to end up with back issues). I'm going the other way -- I'm going to keep it as simple as possible so I can keep foiling for as long as possible.

Yeah uphauling and pumping 9m probably ain't gonna be fun. I guess it all depends how well the iq gybes. Every made gybe is one less water starting or uphaul and pumping effort.

But at least the board fits in an xray scanner
PS: what do you think about adjustable outhaul on the flyer?

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thedoor said..
PS: what do you think about adjustable outhaul on the flyer?

Use it on my Flyer 7.0 and like it. It has significant impact on the sail shape and I adjust few times during a session.

I don't have it yet on my Flyer 5.2 and 4.5, and I have to swim to adjust the outhaul. I believe I will install an adjustable one here also.

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thedoor said..

dejavu said..

thedoor said..

dejavu said..
All my foiling sails are Flyers -- 7, 6, 5.2 and 4.5 and I'm thinking of a 3.9. Before these I used Retros and a 4.8 Hucker. I like the Flyers much better (much better control).

I aspire to become as good a foiler as thedoor and some others on this forum.

Haha, thanks.

Currently, I own three lifts, three flyers, 2 wave sails with 3 more on order. They all have different strengths and weaknesses.

I don't use the smaller lifts much anymore. The bigger lift will probably be my light wind swell riding sail (i99/big board) because it pumps so good and the i99 doesn't go fast enough to create the apparent wind to overpower the lift. Wave sails for when there is good swell and good wind and flyers for flatwater blasting.

Seems to me that I dig every style of wind foiling I have tried so far (big lifty foils in light wind, high wind swell riding, flatwater blasting). Next thing on the list might be some of this

windsurf.star-board.com/products-2020/iqfoil/

Maybe 10 years ago I might have been interested in something like the IQ; however, I've sworn off big sails (9.0 metre is what I consider big, although I used to sail a 12.5 metre -- good way to end up with back issues). I'm going the other way -- I'm going to keep it as simple as possible so I can keep foiling for as long as possible.

Yeah uphauling and pumping 9m probably ain't gonna be fun. I guess it all depends how well the iq gybes. Every made gybe is one less water starting or uphaul and pumping effort.

But at least the board fits in an xray scanner
PS: what do you think about adjustable outhaul on the flyer?

I'm no longer interested in using adjustable outhauls etc. -- I did that for years. Winging on the other hand is so simple equipment wise and that makes it very appealing. Wind foiling needs to also keep it simple -- if it becomes too complicated most will lose interest and move on (to some extent that happened with windsurfing and I think also now with kiting and that's one reason winging is growing so fast).

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thedoor said..
PS: what do you think about adjustable outhaul on the flyer?

Use it on my Flyer 7.0 and like it. It has significant impact on the sail shape and I adjust few times during a session.

I don't have it yet on my Flyer 5.2 and 4.5, and I have to swim to adjust the outhaul. I believe I will install an adjustable one here also.

Any tips on how to add the adjustable outhaul to the boom?

For the Flyer 7.0, I have a boom with 2 rolls. I use the Sailworks kit: www.sailworks.com/the-gear/adjustable-outhaul-double-side.html

I use the 5.2 and 4.5 on a North Silver boom with no "rolls". I have to try to set an half outhaul kit on the boom, as described in that loftsail video:

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For the Flyer 7.0, I have a boom with 2 rolls. I use the Sailworks kit: www.sailworks.com/the-gear/adjustable-outhaul-double-side.html

I use the 5.2 and 4.5 on a North Silver boom with no "rolls". I have to try to set an half outhaul kit on the boom, as described in that loftsail video:

thanks. What do you mean by rolls? Pullies?

This is my boom end. Maybe I can do the double sided one

I have a Flyer 7.0 4-batten and like it for light winds. When the wind picks up it turns into a more difficult handful. The later version with the 5 battens pretty much solves this problem of stability.

The Flyer 6.0 seems to be the sweet spot for foiling joy.

I noticed in a Sailworks video that foilers who were not on Flyers were on Revolutions. Pretty much the same sail without the cambers.

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jmf1 said..
For the Flyer 7.0, I have a boom with 2 rolls. I use the Sailworks kit: www.sailworks.com/the-gear/adjustable-outhaul-double-side.html

I use the 5.2 and 4.5 on a North Silver boom with no "rolls". I have to try to set an half outhaul kit on the boom, as described in that loftsail video:

thanks. What do you mean by rolls? Pullies?

This is my boom end. Maybe I can do the double sided one

Yes: pullies. I have the same configuration and use the top 2 pullies.

I had given a look at the gunsails website and they user "rolls" wording. Maybe not so common.

I have the 5 battens 7.0 Flyer and I'm happy with it.

For a long time I didn't put enough downhaul on my Flyers. I was tuning on the beach so that the tension was "starting to lower" at the mark. It was not enough. Seems that when going on the water either my line was giving a bit, or the sail... Now I pull for being clearly at/after the mark. Sail is much lighter.

JMF

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jmf1 said..

thedoor said..

jmf1 said..
For the Flyer 7.0, I have a boom with 2 rolls. I use the Sailworks kit: www.sailworks.com/the-gear/adjustable-outhaul-double-side.html

I use the 5.2 and 4.5 on a North Silver boom with no "rolls". I have to try to set an half outhaul kit on the boom, as described in that loftsail video:

thanks. What do you mean by rolls? Pullies?

This is my boom end. Maybe I can do the double sided one

Yes: pullies. I have the same configuration and use the top 2 pullies.

I had given a look at the gunsails website and they user "rolls" wording. Maybe not so common.

I have the 5 battens 7.0 Flyer and I'm happy with it.

For a long time I didn't put enough downhaul on my Flyers. I was tuning on the beach so that the tension was "starting to lower" at the mark. It was not enough. Seems that when going on the water either my line was giving a bit, or the sail... Now I pull for being clearly at/after the mark. Sail is much lighter.

JMF

Cool thanks

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I have a Flyer 7.0 4-batten and like it for light winds. When the wind picks up it turns into a more difficult handful. The later version with the 5 battens pretty much solves this problem of stability.

The Flyer 6.0 seems to be the sweet spot for foiling joy.

I noticed in a Sailworks video that foilers who were not on Flyers were on Revolutions. Pretty much the same sail without the cambers.

My 6.0 Flyer is my FAVORITE sail in my quiver.

The new larger free races Flyers are on the Sailworks site - the should be pretty nice. I have the 8.2 fantastic light wind sail, I'll prob go for the 10!
www.sailworks.com/the-gear/sails/flyer/2020-flyer-fr-10-0-sail.html

10mtr Flyer free/race on its way - 5 days door to door. I am using it with a SB Millenium wing on SB iSonic vol 160. I post thoughts when I had a good session or two.

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segler said..
I have a Flyer 7.0 4-batten and like it for light winds. When the wind picks up it turns into a more difficult handful. The later version with the 5 battens pretty much solves this problem of stability.

The Flyer 6.0 seems to be the sweet spot for foiling joy.

I noticed in a Sailworks video that foilers who were not on Flyers were on Revolutions. Pretty much the same sail without the cambers.

I have both Flyers (6.0 & 7.0) and Revos (5.2 and down) and they are excellent for foiling. Agree with the point about down hauling the Flyers: make sure you go AT LEAST to the cog marker. Any tiny bit of instability in the Flyer kills the upper end range and feel.

I also think the Revos is an underrated foiling sail. I used to have these for high wind slapper days doing bump and jump because as a Gorge sail had more tension and stability than other wave sails. For foiling I find them soft enough to pump (esp for low aspect wings) and rigid enough for speed w/ control. I am about as fast as free-riders in 20+knots using SS i76 and Revos.

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segler said..
I have a Flyer 7.0 4-batten and like it for light winds. When the wind picks up it turns into a more difficult handful. The later version with the 5 battens pretty much solves this problem of stability.

The Flyer 6.0 seems to be the sweet spot for foiling joy.

I noticed in a Sailworks video that foilers who were not on Flyers were on Revolutions. Pretty much the same sail without the cambers.

I have both Flyers (6.0 & 7.0) and Revos (5.2 and down) and they are excellent for foiling. Agree with the point about down hauling the Flyers: make sure you go AT LEAST to the cog marker. Any tiny bit of instability in the Flyer kills the upper end range and feel.

I also think the Revos is an underrated foiling sail. I used to have these for high wind slapper days doing bump and jump because as a Gorge sail had more tension and stability than other wave sails. For foiling I find them soft enough to pump (esp for low aspect wings) and rigid enough for speed w/ control. I am about as fast as free-riders in 20+knots using SS i76 and Revos.

ok so are you suggesting more downhaul versus less

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thedoor said..

tswei99 said..

segler said..
I have a Flyer 7.0 4-batten and like it for light winds. When the wind picks up it turns into a more difficult handful. The later version with the 5 battens pretty much solves this problem of stability.

The Flyer 6.0 seems to be the sweet spot for foiling joy.

I noticed in a Sailworks video that foilers who were not on Flyers were on Revolutions. Pretty much the same sail without the cambers.

I have both Flyers (6.0 & 7.0) and Revos (5.2 and down) and they are excellent for foiling. Agree with the point about down hauling the Flyers: make sure you go AT LEAST to the cog marker. Any tiny bit of instability in the Flyer kills the upper end range and feel.

I also think the Revos is an underrated foiling sail. I used to have these for high wind slapper days doing bump and jump because as a Gorge sail had more tension and stability than other wave sails. For foiling I find them soft enough to pump (esp for low aspect wings) and rigid enough for speed w/ control. I am about as fast as free-riders in 20+knots using SS i76 and Revos.

ok so are you suggesting more downhaul versus less

Mine works best downhauled to about 10cm PAST the half-cog and then outhauled maybe 2-3cm. It's the four batten 7.0 but I have it on a cut-down 460 so it's slightly stiffer than the intended mast. Not awful on a fin in 20 either!

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Awalkspoiled said..

thedoor said..

tswei99 said..

segler said..
I have a Flyer 7.0 4-batten and like it for light winds. When the wind picks up it turns into a more difficult handful. The later version with the 5 battens pretty much solves this problem of stability.

The Flyer 6.0 seems to be the sweet spot for foiling joy.

I noticed in a Sailworks video that foilers who were not on Flyers were on Revolutions. Pretty much the same sail without the cambers.

I have both Flyers (6.0 & 7.0) and Revos (5.2 and down) and they are excellent for foiling. Agree with the point about down hauling the Flyers: make sure you go AT LEAST to the cog marker. Any tiny bit of instability in the Flyer kills the upper end range and feel.

I also think the Revos is an underrated foiling sail. I used to have these for high wind slapper days doing bump and jump because as a Gorge sail had more tension and stability than other wave sails. For foiling I find them soft enough to pump (esp for low aspect wings) and rigid enough for speed w/ control. I am about as fast as free-riders in 20+knots using SS i76 and Revos.

ok so are you suggesting more downhaul versus less

Mine works best downhauled to about 10cm PAST the half-cog and then outhauled maybe 2-3cm. It's the four batten 7.0 but I have it on a cut-down 460 so it's slightly stiffer than the intended mast. Not awful on a fin in 20 either!

OK thanks

I might hit you up for more rigging tips in the future

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Mine works best downhauled to about 10cm PAST the half-cog and then outhauled maybe 2-3cm. It's the four batten 7.0 but I have it on a cut-down 460 so it's slightly stiffer than the intended mast. Not awful on a fin in 20 either!

Ok, so we are seveval Flyer users to have the same understanding about the downhaul. Abd up to where do you downhaul "Max" ?

In my case I only went to 10-15 cm past the half-cog.

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thedoor said..
I got my hands on a few 2018 flyers, with the intention of doing some flatwater blasting. Anyway after one session I am sold.

The 6.0 flyer didn't seem to pump up onto the foil as easy as my 5.7 Lift, but this could be a technique/skill issue. Unlike the lift, the flyer didn't become unmanageable with increasing windspeed + board speed. And it provides a very consistent pull, during gusts. Also it was able to maintain power on a broad reach much better. Rigging is super easy, the hardest thing is to remember to zip up the cam pockets before getting on the water.

Although the flyer doesn't really compare to a race sail, I am getting a sense of why slalom and racer dudes are willing to put up with the hassle and weight of big cambered sails.

From the picture it looks like you're using the Apollo front wing a lot. Still your favourite? Any idea how it cross overs to winging? If it also works well for winging I'd seriously consider one. Can it be used in 15 to 25 m.p.h. winds?

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Awalkspoiled said..

Mine works best downhauled to about 10cm PAST the half-cog and then outhauled maybe 2-3cm. It's the four batten 7.0 but I have it on a cut-down 460 so it's slightly stiffer than the intended mast. Not awful on a fin in 20 either!

Ok, so we are seveval Flyer users to have the same understanding about the downhaul. Abd up to where do you downhaul "Max" ?

In my case I only went to 10-15 cm past the half-cog.

That's what Phil Soltysiak says he does too - 10-15cm - for normal sailing. I think he goes further for overpowered but of course most of the Sailworks guys don't have to sail overpowered because the van is full of smaller sails!.

To be honest, though, I don't pay all that much attention to the cog while I'm rigging because I'm not on a standard mast. I'm mostly looking at the entry, which should be fine and not at all knuckled up by the leading edge, and the leech, which should be falling away down to the batten above the boom. This gives a little less oomph when getting going, but means that once you're flying the whole thing goes very light and doesn't overpower. The picture in the first post looks to me like it's under-downhauled for instance (too much knuckle), and not enough batten tension either (wrinkles in the batten pocket).

According to Bruce P, the solution to the 4-batten 7.0 becoming a handful in stronger winds is the 5th batten on the later models.

So, I just use the 4-batten 7.0 in lighter winds (13-16 mph), where it is very nice to foil with. If the wind gets stronger, I just go all the way down to a 5.0 Revolution.

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jmf1 said..

Awalkspoiled said..

Mine works best downhauled to about 10cm PAST the half-cog and then outhauled maybe 2-3cm. It's the four batten 7.0 but I have it on a cut-down 460 so it's slightly stiffer than the intended mast. Not awful on a fin in 20 either!

Ok, so we are seveval Flyer users to have the same understanding about the downhaul. Abd up to where do you downhaul "Max" ?

In my case I only went to 10-15 cm past the half-cog.

That's what Phil Soltysiak says he does too - 10-15cm - for normal sailing. I think he goes further for overpowered but of course most of the Sailworks guys don't have to sail overpowered because the van is full of smaller sails!.

To be honest, though, I don't pay all that much attention to the cog while I'm rigging because I'm not on a standard mast. I'm mostly looking at the entry, which should be fine and not at all knuckled up by the leading edge, and the leech, which should be falling away down to the batten above the boom. This gives a little less oomph when getting going, but means that once you're flying the whole thing goes very light and doesn't overpower. The picture in the first post looks to me like it's under-downhauled for instance (too much knuckle), and not enough batten tension either (wrinkles in the batten pocket).

Cheers. This is highly likely, as with other sails I am in the habit of downhauling until the top batten falls off sounds like I need at least the top two battens fall off.

Not sure what you meant by entry?

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thedoor said..
I got my hands on a few 2018 flyers, with the intention of doing some flatwater blasting. Anyway after one session I am sold.

The 6.0 flyer didn't seem to pump up onto the foil as easy as my 5.7 Lift, but this could be a technique/skill issue. Unlike the lift, the flyer didn't become unmanageable with increasing windspeed + board speed. And it provides a very consistent pull, during gusts. Also it was able to maintain power on a broad reach much better. Rigging is super easy, the hardest thing is to remember to zip up the cam pockets before getting on the water.

Although the flyer doesn't really compare to a race sail, I am getting a sense of why slalom and racer dudes are willing to put up with the hassle and weight of big cambered sails.

From the picture it looks like you're using the Apollo front wing a lot. Still your favourite? Any idea how it cross overs to winging? If it also works well for winging I'd seriously consider one. Can it be used in 15 to 25 m.p.h. winds?

That is actually the infinity 76. But I love my sessions on the Apollo 60. However, I generally only use it when it is 20+ and then I will rig biggish. The 76 handles the same wind as the apollo 60, but has better low end. I prefer how the apollo carves though, and how it's low stall speed works for how I ride swell. I need to do a back to back comparison between apollo 60 and infinity 65.

No winging for me yet so I can't really comment, but it seems to me that most wingers are going big with their foils.

I have been using Flyer 7 and 8.2 for low wind conditions with infinity 99. Recently, I got Goya Fringe X 6.3 after youtube description of the performance. I feel this sail is better than Flyer as I feel easier for pumping and better control during foiling.

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thedoor said..

Awalkspoiled said..

jmf1 said..

Awalkspoiled said..

Mine works best downhauled to about 10cm PAST the half-cog and then outhauled maybe 2-3cm. It's the four batten 7.0 but I have it on a cut-down 460 so it's slightly stiffer than the intended mast. Not awful on a fin in 20 either!

Ok, so we are seveval Flyer users to have the same understanding about the downhaul. Abd up to where do you downhaul "Max" ?

In my case I only went to 10-15 cm past the half-cog.

That's what Phil Soltysiak says he does too - 10-15cm - for normal sailing. I think he goes further for overpowered but of course most of the Sailworks guys don't have to sail overpowered because the van is full of smaller sails!.

To be honest, though, I don't pay all that much attention to the cog while I'm rigging because I'm not on a standard mast. I'm mostly looking at the entry, which should be fine and not at all knuckled up by the leading edge, and the leech, which should be falling away down to the batten above the boom. This gives a little less oomph when getting going, but means that once you're flying the whole thing goes very light and doesn't overpower. The picture in the first post looks to me like it's under-downhauled for instance (too much knuckle), and not enough batten tension either (wrinkles in the batten pocket).

Cheers. This is highly likely, as with other sails I am in the habit of downhauling until the top batten falls off sounds like I need at least the top two battens fall off.

Not sure what you meant by entry?

By "entry" I mean the general shape of the leading edge up by the mast. An under-downhauled sail will exhibit a "knuckle" where the very front of the sail projects out at an almost 90? angle to the line between the mast and clew. It's looks powerful but it really isn't - the center of lift is too far forward and there's too much turbulence on both sides of the sail for maximum efficiency. All the depth of the sail is concentrated in the front 10% of the surface. It's also really harsh to rotate from tack to tack and the cams are prone to breaking...

So, I look for a "fine" entry where the leading edge of the sail blends smoothly into the rest of the curvature in the draft. It's hard to know just by looking when you've overdownhauled for a given mast but one cue is that the bottom batten will start to bend in an "S" curve (on some HSM sails this is actually an intended design feature - allows depowering).

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Awalkspoiled said..

thedoor said..

Awalkspoiled said..

jmf1 said..

Awalkspoiled said..

Mine works best downhauled to about 10cm PAST the half-cog and then outhauled maybe 2-3cm. It's the four batten 7.0 but I have it on a cut-down 460 so it's slightly stiffer than the intended mast. Not awful on a fin in 20 either!

Ok, so we are seveval Flyer users to have the same understanding about the downhaul. Abd up to where do you downhaul "Max" ?

In my case I only went to 10-15 cm past the half-cog.

That's what Phil Soltysiak says he does too - 10-15cm - for normal sailing. I think he goes further for overpowered but of course most of the Sailworks guys don't have to sail overpowered because the van is full of smaller sails!.

To be honest, though, I don't pay all that much attention to the cog while I'm rigging because I'm not on a standard mast. I'm mostly looking at the entry, which should be fine and not at all knuckled up by the leading edge, and the leech, which should be falling away down to the batten above the boom. This gives a little less oomph when getting going, but means that once you're flying the whole thing goes very light and doesn't overpower. The picture in the first post looks to me like it's under-downhauled for instance (too much knuckle), and not enough batten tension either (wrinkles in the batten pocket).

Cheers. This is highly likely, as with other sails I am in the habit of downhauling until the top batten falls off sounds like I need at least the top two battens fall off.

Not sure what you meant by entry?

By "entry" I mean the general shape of the leading edge up by the mast. An under-downhauled sail will exhibit a "knuckle" where the very front of the sail projects out at an almost 90? angle to the line between the mast and clew. It's looks powerful but it really isn't - the center of lift is too far forward and there's too much turbulence on both sides of the sail for maximum efficiency. All the depth of the sail is concentrated in the front 10% of the surface. It's also really harsh to rotate from tack to tack and the cams are prone to breaking...

So, I look for a "fine" entry where the leading edge of the sail blends smoothly into the rest of the curvature in the draft. It's hard to know just by looking when you've overdownhauled for a given mast but one cue is that the bottom batten will start to bend in an "S" curve (on some HSM sails this is actually an intended design feature - allows depowering).

Entry would mostly be a function of outhaul?

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SA_AL said..
I have been using Flyer 7 and 8.2 for low wind conditions with infinity 99. Recently, I got Goya Fringe X 6.3 after youtube description of the performance. I feel this sail is better than Flyer as I feel easier for pumping and better control during foiling.

My Flyer 7.0 is the 4-batten version and I have no trouble with stability as long as it is sufficiently down hauled. Agree that were the cog is not the issues as much as a taut leading edge, at the top half of the sail especially in case you are using a non-std mast. I also look for tension throughout the front of the lower half of the sail, there should be no slop in the front of the sail where the draft is.

I demo'd the Fringe 6.3 and while it had heaps of power (similar to 7.0 Flyer, maybe more) and very pump-able it tops out quickly. I can take my Flyer from 12-20 knots with my AFS 2, maybe 10-16 with Slingshot I84. The Fringe range is maybe half that. So Fringe is great for freestyle, but if you want to blast around and cover some distance in low winds, I would still rec a cambered sail. Even better is a cam sail on the rec'd mast, as high carbon as possible within your budget.