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D2 vs Foil in 6 knots

Created by cammd cammd  > 9 months ago, 3 Jul 2017
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cammd
cammd

QLD

4331 posts

3 Jul 2017 11:53am
Would a D2 or a foil be quicker around a windward/leeward course in 6 knots.
Can10
Can10

173 posts

3 Jul 2017 11:57am
Foil will be faster in that wind if it can fly despite lack of heading...but what's the point?
AUS 814
AUS 814

NSW

453 posts

3 Jul 2017 2:14pm
As soon as the foil is up and flying it would win, but only if its a consistent breeze
cammd
cammd

QLD

4331 posts

3 Jul 2017 2:26pm
There's no point, was just curious about how great the light wind performance of foils are against other classes. There's so much hype around them but whats the reality.

In light winds the holes don't need to be very big to lose 50% of your power, would slow and steady win the race.
Capie
Capie

45 posts

3 Jul 2017 3:33pm
Once a foil gets going, it will generally do around 15 knots without too much effort. Not sure how fast a D2 is but doubt it could keep up.
cammd
cammd

QLD

4331 posts

3 Jul 2017 6:04pm
Yes once the foil is going its obvious it will have greater straight line speed but over an entire course there is rarely consistent pressure.

In a very light breeze, to light for formula, will the foil be able to keep flying both up and downwind with good angles and produce better vmg than a d2, ie how much better is the performance in reality compared to the hype.

Getting up and flying for a hundred or so metres does not equal awesome light wind performance, flying around the entire course on the foil would, is that a reality in 6 knots.
jusavina
jusavina

QLD

1494 posts

3 Jul 2017 6:11pm
You need a D2 with foils
Problem solved.
NelsonFoils
NelsonFoils

190 posts

3 Jul 2017 6:20pm
Soon we will know....




da vecta
da vecta

QLD

2515 posts

3 Jul 2017 8:23pm
Careful what you wish for Jusavina

...I thought they already exploded the MOAB.
jusavina
jusavina

QLD

1494 posts

4 Jul 2017 1:14am
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NelsonFoils said..
Soon we will know....





Is that thing real???
seanhogan
seanhogan

QLD

3424 posts

4 Jul 2017 6:26am
worse ....it's french
Can10
Can10

173 posts

4 Jul 2017 5:10am
Foils on long boards has been tried already back in the 80s as well as recently on D2.
(round or flat hull, who cares once board flies?)

You don't need wind to make a foil working...you just need to "marsouin" as dolphin do...see SUPs!

Again, no point to compare a board that flies against another which hull stays on water.....
cammd
cammd

QLD

4331 posts

4 Jul 2017 7:51am
the point is to create conversation on this forum about stuff we are all interested in
NelsonFoils
NelsonFoils

190 posts

4 Jul 2017 6:19am
Also French










Al Planet
Al Planet

TAS

1548 posts

4 Jul 2017 9:22am
The boat that does the gate start at the Defi Wind is a pretty low sided inflatable .....so there is a good chance that a foil board that misjudged the start could end up on top of the start boat .....something to look forward to, though the start is pretty crazy already!

azuli
azuli

QLD

368 posts

7 Jul 2017 12:34pm
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cammd said..
Would a D2 or a foil be quicker around a windward/leeward course in 6 knots.


If the foil main wing is large enough to keep the board flying consistently in 6kns then it should be faster around the course than the D2. May need a larger foil than the standard 800mm ones currently on offer, but it will have more drag as speed increases.

On the other end of the spectrum it seems that current windfoils max speed is around 27kns.

This article provides some explanation why:
boards.co.uk/how-to/how-fast-can-we-go-the-science-of-speed.html

"The hope to use hydrofoils in order to get higher speeds is not very realistic.By using an hydrofoil the foil drag increases with the square of speed. This is a big disadvantage compared to a planing surface where the drag is nearly independent of speed."
Gorgo
Gorgo

VIC

5108 posts

7 Jul 2017 2:22pm
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AUS 814 said..
As soon as the foil is up and flying it would win, but only if its a consistent breeze


Why do you say that? One of the joys of foils is how they glide through lulls that would cause a non-foiling craft to stop.
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