Okay, here's a question. When breaching, what percentage of your breaches are recoverable?

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1. Mention your foil/board setup
2. rough order as to percentage of recovery you think you're doing? recovery = still on the board sailing after the breach.
3. any other comments welcome.

I'm asking this, because, for some reason when I breach, i've learned to recover most, if not all of them. In fact, I used it to slow down faster (than landing) in one instance.

I can't see why you wouldn't be able to recover most of them, assuming you aren't massively overpowered, and have you sail under control. If you are overpowered, and halfway through a catapult, then you probably have a fairly low chance. Here's one I got super sideways on and managed to pull together. Tho I think this might have been a really bad jump attempt, but same thing, a breach is just a really bad jump attempt. I've got the sail pretty raked back here, so even tho I fully bury the nose, I sail out of it.

I think the key is to not be scared to try them! Slowly fly higher until you breach in nicely powered conditions, that way when you do get overcooked, and breach accidentally, the recovery becomes instinctive.

This is Fanatic Flow 1000 and Severne Alien 115. Did a fair few with the Hover 122 and Naish WS1 as well. Main difference is nose first re-entries with the Naish usually means a lot more speed loss and some more effort to stay on the board. With the Alien if its not too bad you just bounce off and keep sailing.

Naish.
About 50% saved, most totally coming off a plane..and foil.

Good topic! I haven't recovered any breaches. Maybe because I sail strapless??? I don't seem to breach much anymore, but I did want to test the limits with my gear, by carving tight turns and surfing down swell. I was riding pretty high that day too and breached twice and did not recover them. But I deserved the 2 breaches, based on my sailing style that day. The times I do breach is when I'm going pretty fast and feel I'm close to maxing out the i84's wing speed.

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IndecentExposur said..
Okay, here's a question. When breaching, what percentage of your breaches are recoverable?

Reply with:
1. Mention your foil/board setup
2. rough order as to percentage of recovery you think you're doing? recovery = still on the board sailing after the breach.
3. any other comments welcome.

I'm asking this, because, for some reason when I breach, i've learned to recover most, if not all of them. In fact, I used it to slow down faster (than landing) in one instance.

Am sure the jumpers don't recognize the word breach!

Do you mean rear wing or front wing breach, presumably you mean front.

I have the shorter blue slingshot rear wing with winglets pointing up, when it gurgles, I can get it back under water 95% or more of the time.

If don't get it down, and front wing subsequently breaches, am about 50%. Mostly this is a gust thing, if can handle the gust with sheet out and enough but not too much front foot weight, can save it.

Agree with dog, my breaches are mostly associated with gusts and my limited ability to control it.
I think over the last 6-12mths, my skills are slowly improving so this is happening less.
When I do breach I try to ride it out and I have been surprised at some of the nose dives I've been able to recover from.
I like Swoosh's idea of just going with a breach and it becomes a jump, but I think I'll need a few more cement pills!

Upwind breaches i generally manage to stay attached. Downwind is a completely different story.

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Am sure the jumpers don't recognize the word breach!

I dunno, so far, my jumps are barely more than planned breaches.

But, jumping does give you practice recovering from a breach. On the SS i65, it gets to be pretty comfortable. This comfort gives me the confidence to push it much harder without worrying that I might breach and have a nasty crash. OTOH, I'm still scared to breach with the i76, as I've heard it's not to be used for jumps. Anyone try it?

Most of my breaches are recovered unless I'm going really fast and poop myself. I put it down to the 70cm mast (Hover 122, WS1)

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remery said..
Most of my breaches are recovered unless I'm going really fast and poop myself. I put it down to the 70cm mast (Hover 122, WS1)

I agree - breaches with a shorter mast tend to be easier to recover. Otherwise, it depends a lot on the level of control before the breach. Breaches caused by a sudden huge gust, or sailing way overpowered, are harder to recover.

I recover most breaches. During the jibe I recover wing lift often before the board hits the water. The only breaches I dont recover are due to too little rake at the mast for the high speeds I'm sailing at. I regularly hit 29-30 knots, at those speeds the board will fly with the nose a tad lower than at lower speeds, meaning when breaching or hitting the water the nose of the board will act like a handbrake. I need about .2-.5deg more rake and it wouldnt be an issue also at high speed, just been too lazy to make a shim.

Two "unplanned jumps" last night, both in big gusts. The first, the board felt almost vertical, then landed it!
The second was more nose angle down, rear wing first, then split second later, front wing out, then nose (and rider) under water.

SS HG i84, small rear wing, 160l board.

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So good

I sail a Wizard 150 with an I84 foil. The 150l displacement helps with recovery, but I think the biggest help comes from the I84 foil with its 2 degree higher incidence angle at the root of the wing. It stalls first at the root then the stall moves to the tips. Other foils have this feature, but not all foils. As you near breach you get an audible gurgling sound, which signals you to get your weight forward. In the above video Glen Glazer has mad skills and is really pushing the foil. I doubt that the higher incidence angle would be helpful to him, but for me it is quite useful.

Interesting Topic, we expect a complete analysis of all the data

I ride a 683 Moses with a 101 Mast, strapless, on a Roberts 29 (130L) which has a beveled thin noses (low swing weight) that makes the board feel shorter that the 6'10" and sort of pushes you back up on the foil without sticking on breaches or touch downs.

I don't breach much any more but I would say on 80% of them I don't end up in the water. Most of the time I breach when I am not paying attention or watching someone behind me. Or I don't react fast enough when I get on a bigger steeper swell which definitely has a higher crash percentage. I probably "breach" the tips as much on a hard heel carve or a jibe. This rarely results in a crash, the foil just slips a bit.

90% Naish Hover 122 . Thrust. 70 cm mast.

Getting better but do it rarely so no percentage yet, Goya Bolt 135, AFS Wind95 with F800/700 wings. I posted a similar question a while ago, someone said they lean back and land on the tail, last time I breached I did that and recovered easily. Helps to not be overpowered, and I am learning to use a smaller sail and wing to avoid that, makes foiling easier and more enjoyable, but sometimes miss the heart pounding runs where I was barely in control!