I have a similar era 6.5 Retro which I'm going to modify with softer batten fronts (my buddy did this and loves it).
They really do foil nicely.

Although my 6.3 Fringe is amazing as well, gybes like a much smaller sail due to the short boom.

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michaelpaf said..
Hi,
I'm struggling between 114 and 130.
Has anyone compared the 130, the wz125 and the 114 in light wind?

I want ti come out also in light wind but also good maniverabity and jump with the board.

Driving on a inland lake with gusty conditins and have round 90 kg.

How much earlier the 130 is popping up and how much later the 114 if you compare it i.e. with your 5,7 / 5,8 sail?

Thanks a very lot for sharing your experiences. I'm just quite good in pumping after 60 + x Sessions.

Foil is the i76 and have also the i84.

I haven't tried the 130 and the 114. I am sure the 130 gets going a bit earlier than the 114. Just like the w125 got going a bit earlier than the W105, but that difference was mostly overcome by good pumping. But it looks to me that the 114 has the more inboard straps which I think increase maneuverability and ability to control the foil in gusts. I would be willing to trade a slight decrease in the low end for much better control and maneuverability. If anything you could add the i99 to the 114 and this would beat the low wind range of the w125/i84.

However, it looks like you are jumping on the old wizard 125, so I am pretty sure you could jump on the 130 too.

I don't have my w125 anymore but I believe the 114 will get going equally as well if not better for the following reasons: more compact geometry and being able to move the foil forward in the track to increase lift if needed, so I do not think you will loose any of the low end you currently have with your w125. If however, you really want to push the lightwind envelop I would add the i99 first before adding more volume.

FYI: I am only 75kg and I don't jump much.

Hey thedoor,
I want to thank you a very lot for all shared information!!
You provided a lot of very valuable information!!
I just was quite convinced to decide for the right Board until I saw your rider weight.
75 instead of 90! Thank you also for this remark!
When I compare this is 15 liters less.

So it will means. Your 90 liter board is like 105 for me.
Or 105 for you is like 120 for me.
And 115 for you is like 130 for me.

Means when you compare 125 to 115 for me it will be more like 140 to 130. Am I wrong?
I gues when go to much down in the liter of the board I won't have lot of Advantages as the most Time I stand stil to deep in the water.
Cirrently I use a full of water. W125 from 2019 with a 5,4 bounce as biggest light wind sail to Start flying woth 9 to 10 knots.
Problem are currently the lull's. But this is another topic.

What I want to ask. In my driver weight a 140l won't create big difference.
Biut switching to smaller board that has less than 30 liters more as my weight is could lead to big difference in start so fky i think. What is your experience?

Friend of me with 65kg has a w105 that works great for him. Then he bought a fs87 and there is huge difference hiw many wind he needs to get on the foil. It It works only with more wind.

So thedoor I want to thank you a lot for your experiences. I fear that our different weight makes exactly the difference if there is a big or small difference between the w125 and the w114.
Or what do you think?

Thanks for all of your experiences. Basing on that now I tend more to the 130. If this will be resistent enough for jumping backs, forwards, normal jumps and let's see whatever I want to learn it would be great.

Are the Slingshots ( or any other board ) actually warrantied for foil jumping? I know the loads can be extremely high especially if using large wings.

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michaelpaf said..

thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..
Hi,
I'm struggling between 114 and 130.
Has anyone compared the 130, the wz125 and the 114 in light wind?

I want ti come out also in light wind but also good maniverabity and jump with the board.

Driving on a inland lake with gusty conditins and have round 90 kg.

How much earlier the 130 is popping up and how much later the 114 if you compare it i.e. with your 5,7 / 5,8 sail?

Thanks a very lot for sharing your experiences. I'm just quite good in pumping after 60 + x Sessions.

Foil is the i76 and have also the i84.

I haven't tried the 130 and the 114. I am sure the 130 gets going a bit earlier than the 114. Just like the w125 got going a bit earlier than the W105, but that difference was mostly overcome by good pumping. But it looks to me that the 114 has the more inboard straps which I think increase maneuverability and ability to control the foil in gusts. I would be willing to trade a slight decrease in the low end for much better control and maneuverability. If anything you could add the i99 to the 114 and this would beat the low wind range of the w125/i84.

However, it looks like you are jumping on the old wizard 125, so I am pretty sure you could jump on the 130 too.

I don't have my w125 anymore but I believe the 114 will get going equally as well if not better for the following reasons: more compact geometry and being able to move the foil forward in the track to increase lift if needed, so I do not think you will loose any of the low end you currently have with your w125. If however, you really want to push the lightwind envelop I would add the i99 first before adding more volume.

FYI: I am only 75kg and I don't jump much.

Hey thedoor,
I want to thank you a very lot for all shared information!!
You provided a lot of very valuable information!!
I just was quite convinced to decide for the right Board until I saw your rider weight.
75 instead of 90! Thank you also for this remark!
When I compare this is 15 liters less.

So it will means. Your 90 liter board is like 105 for me.
Or 105 for you is like 120 for me.
And 115 for you is like 130 for me.

Means when you compare 125 to 115 for me it will be more like 140 to 130. Am I wrong?
I gues when go to much down in the liter of the board I won't have lot of Advantages as the most Time I stand stil to deep in the water.
Cirrently I use a full of water. W125 from 2019 with a 5,4 bounce as biggest light wind sail to Start flying woth 9 to 10 knots.
Problem are currently the lull's. But this is another topic.

What I want to ask. In my driver weight a 140l won't create big difference.
Biut switching to smaller board that has less than 30 liters more as my weight is could lead to big difference in start so fky i think. What is your experience?

Friend of me with 65kg has a w105 that works great for him. Then he bought a fs87 and there is huge difference hiw many wind he needs to get on the foil. It It works only with more wind.

So thedoor I want to thank you a lot for your experiences. I fear that our different weight makes exactly the difference if there is a big or small difference between the w125 and the w114.
Or what do you think?

Thanks for all of your experiences. Basing on that now I tend more to the 130. If this will be resistent enough for jumping backs, forwards, normal jumps and let's see whatever I want to learn it would be great.

Yeah its tricky. I think the w114 gets going as easily as the w125, at least for me. However, 15kgs is a big difference and it sounds like the wind on your lake is up and down, so maybe the 130 is the way to go. If you are attempting all those tricks on the w125 you should easily be able to do the same on the 130.

I would assume the construction on the wizards is all the same, so the 130 should be jumpable. I can double check with slingshot if you want.

The freestyle shape doesn't get going as early as the wizard shape, so the comparison to from the w105 to the fs87 isn't great.

Once you are up on the foil, board length and width matter more than volume. I could probably get away with 90L wizard but it would make it harder to get going and harder to schlog back when the wind dies and the added volume of the 114 is not a hindrance when on the foil so I am happy to have that extra volume even when it blowing good. So the same is probably true for you: you could make the 114 work but you would likely have more consistent fun on the 130 at your 90kgs. For the majority of us foiling is about maximizing the lightwind fun so more volume (as long as the board is shortish) especially on a lake with lulls makes sense.

Having said all that I still have not sailed the w130. Can you demo it?

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DarrylG said..
Are the Slingshots ( or any other board ) actually warrantied for foil jumping? I know the loads can be extremely high especially if using large wings.

Warranty is not for jumping ON Board. But warranty is valid with jumping with the board. But all warranty only for 12 month.
No damages with digging the mast on the nose or falling on the board. But at the loads of jumping afaik are covered by the warranty.

www.slingshotsports.com/slingshot-detailed-warranty-policy

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thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..

thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..
Hi,
I'm struggling between 114 and 130.
Has anyone compared the 130, the wz125 and the 114 in light wind?

I want ti come out also in light wind but also good maniverabity and jump with the board.

Driving on a inland lake with gusty conditins and have round 90 kg.

How much earlier the 130 is popping up and how much later the 114 if you compare it i.e. with your 5,7 / 5,8 sail?

Thanks a very lot for sharing your experiences. I'm just quite good in pumping after 60 + x Sessions.

Foil is the i76 and have also the i84.

I haven't tried the 130 and the 114. I am sure the 130 gets going a bit earlier than the 114. Just like the w125 got going a bit earlier than the W105, but that difference was mostly overcome by good pumping. But it looks to me that the 114 has the more inboard straps which I think increase maneuverability and ability to control the foil in gusts. I would be willing to trade a slight decrease in the low end for much better control and maneuverability. If anything you could add the i99 to the 114 and this would beat the low wind range of the w125/i84.

However, it looks like you are jumping on the old wizard 125, so I am pretty sure you could jump on the 130 too.

I don't have my w125 anymore but I believe the 114 will get going equally as well if not better for the following reasons: more compact geometry and being able to move the foil forward in the track to increase lift if needed, so I do not think you will loose any of the low end you currently have with your w125. If however, you really want to push the lightwind envelop I would add the i99 first before adding more volume.

FYI: I am only 75kg and I don't jump much.

Hey thedoor,
I want to thank you a very lot for all shared information!!
You provided a lot of very valuable information!!
I just was quite convinced to decide for the right Board until I saw your rider weight.
75 instead of 90! Thank you also for this remark!
When I compare this is 15 liters less.

So it will means. Your 90 liter board is like 105 for me.
Or 105 for you is like 120 for me.
And 115 for you is like 130 for me.

Means when you compare 125 to 115 for me it will be more like 140 to 130. Am I wrong?
I gues when go to much down in the liter of the board I won't have lot of Advantages as the most Time I stand stil to deep in the water.
Cirrently I use a full of water. W125 from 2019 with a 5,4 bounce as biggest light wind sail to Start flying woth 9 to 10 knots.
Problem are currently the lull's. But this is another topic.

What I want to ask. In my driver weight a 140l won't create big difference.
Biut switching to smaller board that has less than 30 liters more as my weight is could lead to big difference in start so fky i think. What is your experience?

Friend of me with 65kg has a w105 that works great for him. Then he bought a fs87 and there is huge difference hiw many wind he needs to get on the foil. It It works only with more wind.

So thedoor I want to thank you a lot for your experiences. I fear that our different weight makes exactly the difference if there is a big or small difference between the w125 and the w114.
Or what do you think?

Thanks for all of your experiences. Basing on that now I tend more to the 130. If this will be resistent enough for jumping backs, forwards, normal jumps and let's see whatever I want to learn it would be great.

Yeah its tricky. I think the w114 gets going as easily as the w125, at least for me. However, 15kgs is a big difference and it sounds like the wind on your lake is up and down, so maybe the 130 is the way to go. If you are attempting all those tricks on the w125 you should easily be able to do the same on the 130.

I would assume the construction on the wizards is all the same, so the 130 should be jumpable. I can double check with slingshot if you want.

The freestyle shape doesn't get going as early as the wizard shape, so the comparison to from the w105 to the fs87 isn't great.

Once you are up on the foil, board length and width matter more than volume. I could probably get away with 90L wizard but it would make it harder to get going and harder to schlog back when the wind dies and the added volume of the 114 is not a hindrance when on the foil so I am happy to have that extra volume even when it blowing good. So the same is probably true for you: you could make the 114 work but you would likely have more consistent fun on the 130 at your 90kgs. For the majority of us foiling is about maximizing the lightwind fun so more volume (as long as the board is shortish) especially on a lake with lulls makes sense.

Having said all that I still have not sailed the w130. Can you demo it?

Hey thedoor !!!
I thank you a very lot for your very good description of the pro's and con's out of your point of view.
Yes we have a small lake that is really great in gusty and changing winds. Up's and down's in between minutes. Day's with only gusts, days where fin has 30 minutes of fun and with foil we flight for 2hrs or more on same day.

We have also days with lot of wind, but that are more rare. So it's more important to have also fun at low wind and not only a bit more at the rare good days. Intension is more to have "big days" when wind is not so good. So you brought me back to the floor.

If you have a good contact to the slingshot guys it would be great if you can get the information about jumping with the board. So honestly spoken my jumping tricks mostly don't end as they should. So the problem is surely more the bad landing. Not the correct one. For jumping we use the i65 but also the i76 ...with teh i76 the forces are much higher. The i65 likes landing and is going easier back into the water. The i76 likes to fly again after the jump what leads to increasing the forces on the board.

You should meet together with CoreAs and test all combinations..

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michaelpaf said..

thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..

thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..
Hi,
I'm struggling between 114 and 130.
Has anyone compared the 130, the wz125 and the 114 in light wind?

I want ti come out also in light wind but also good maniverabity and jump with the board.

Driving on a inland lake with gusty conditins and have round 90 kg.

How much earlier the 130 is popping up and how much later the 114 if you compare it i.e. with your 5,7 / 5,8 sail?

Thanks a very lot for sharing your experiences. I'm just quite good in pumping after 60 + x Sessions.

Foil is the i76 and have also the i84.

I haven't tried the 130 and the 114. I am sure the 130 gets going a bit earlier than the 114. Just like the w125 got going a bit earlier than the W105, but that difference was mostly overcome by good pumping. But it looks to me that the 114 has the more inboard straps which I think increase maneuverability and ability to control the foil in gusts. I would be willing to trade a slight decrease in the low end for much better control and maneuverability. If anything you could add the i99 to the 114 and this would beat the low wind range of the w125/i84.

However, it looks like you are jumping on the old wizard 125, so I am pretty sure you could jump on the 130 too.

I don't have my w125 anymore but I believe the 114 will get going equally as well if not better for the following reasons: more compact geometry and being able to move the foil forward in the track to increase lift if needed, so I do not think you will loose any of the low end you currently have with your w125. If however, you really want to push the lightwind envelop I would add the i99 first before adding more volume.

FYI: I am only 75kg and I don't jump much.

Hey thedoor,
I want to thank you a very lot for all shared information!!
You provided a lot of very valuable information!!
I just was quite convinced to decide for the right Board until I saw your rider weight.
75 instead of 90! Thank you also for this remark!
When I compare this is 15 liters less.

So it will means. Your 90 liter board is like 105 for me.
Or 105 for you is like 120 for me.
And 115 for you is like 130 for me.

Means when you compare 125 to 115 for me it will be more like 140 to 130. Am I wrong?
I gues when go to much down in the liter of the board I won't have lot of Advantages as the most Time I stand stil to deep in the water.
Cirrently I use a full of water. W125 from 2019 with a 5,4 bounce as biggest light wind sail to Start flying woth 9 to 10 knots.
Problem are currently the lull's. But this is another topic.

What I want to ask. In my driver weight a 140l won't create big difference.
Biut switching to smaller board that has less than 30 liters more as my weight is could lead to big difference in start so fky i think. What is your experience?

Friend of me with 65kg has a w105 that works great for him. Then he bought a fs87 and there is huge difference hiw many wind he needs to get on the foil. It It works only with more wind.

So thedoor I want to thank you a lot for your experiences. I fear that our different weight makes exactly the difference if there is a big or small difference between the w125 and the w114.
Or what do you think?

Thanks for all of your experiences. Basing on that now I tend more to the 130. If this will be resistent enough for jumping backs, forwards, normal jumps and let's see whatever I want to learn it would be great.

Yeah its tricky. I think the w114 gets going as easily as the w125, at least for me. However, 15kgs is a big difference and it sounds like the wind on your lake is up and down, so maybe the 130 is the way to go. If you are attempting all those tricks on the w125 you should easily be able to do the same on the 130.

I would assume the construction on the wizards is all the same, so the 130 should be jumpable. I can double check with slingshot if you want.

The freestyle shape doesn't get going as early as the wizard shape, so the comparison to from the w105 to the fs87 isn't great.

Once you are up on the foil, board length and width matter more than volume. I could probably get away with 90L wizard but it would make it harder to get going and harder to schlog back when the wind dies and the added volume of the 114 is not a hindrance when on the foil so I am happy to have that extra volume even when it blowing good. So the same is probably true for you: you could make the 114 work but you would likely have more consistent fun on the 130 at your 90kgs. For the majority of us foiling is about maximizing the lightwind fun so more volume (as long as the board is shortish) especially on a lake with lulls makes sense.

Having said all that I still have not sailed the w130. Can you demo it?

Hey thedoor !!!
I thank you a very lot for your very good description of the pro's and con's out of your point of view.
Yes we have a small lake that is really great in gusty and changing winds. Up's and down's in between minutes. Day's with only gusts, days where fin has 30 minutes of fun and with foil we flight for 2hrs or more on same day.

We have also days with lot of wind, but that are more rare. So it's more important to have also fun at low wind and not only a bit more at the rare good days. Intension is more to have "big days" when wind is not so good. So you brought me back to the floor.

If you have a good contact to the slingshot guys it would be great if you can get the information about jumping with the board. So honestly spoken my jumping tricks mostly don't end as they should. So the problem is surely more the bad landing. Not the correct one. For jumping we use the i65 but also the i76 ...with teh i76 the forces are much higher. The i65 likes landing and is going easier back into the water. The i76 likes to fly again after the jump what leads to increasing the forces on the board.

You should meet together with CoreAs and test all combinations..

I don't think it is recommended to jump in the i76 due to it's surface area, but shredders are gonna shred

Yeah I do need to try the w130, but we really need a big guy to try the 114 and see if it works for them in lightwind and how it compares to the old 125. Two day drive for me to Texas, to visit CoreAS so that is unlikely haha. I imaging Dean will get his hands on a w114 soon and be able to tell us what he thinks.

The good thing is that the overlap in wind ranges in foil boards is large, so if you pick wrong it's not going to be the end of the world.

I will reach out to slingshot and see if I get any more info on construction differences among the wizards, no guarantee of a response though.

PS: we really need an annual meet up in the Caribbean or Hawaii for all the seabreeze foiling folks. A big airbnb on the water somewhere, a couple of kegs etc. invite all the manufacturers to bring their gear to demo.

Apparently the construction on the w130 is the same as that for the w114 and w90. And the construction on the new wizards is very similar to the old wizards. However, it was suggested that landing flat from a big jump (eg a full rotation forward loop) on the w130 would not be desirable, just because of it's size.

I hope that helps

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thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..

thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..

thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..
Hi,
I'm struggling between 114 and 130.
Has anyone compared the 130, the wz125 and the 114 in light wind?

I want ti come out also in light wind but also good maniverabity and jump with the board.

Driving on a inland lake with gusty conditins and have round 90 kg.

How much earlier the 130 is popping up and how much later the 114 if you compare it i.e. with your 5,7 / 5,8 sail?

Thanks a very lot for sharing your experiences. I'm just quite good in pumping after 60 + x Sessions.

Foil is the i76 and have also the i84.

I haven't tried the 130 and the 114. I am sure the 130 gets going a bit earlier than the 114. Just like the w125 got going a bit earlier than the W105, but that difference was mostly overcome by good pumping. But it looks to me that the 114 has the more inboard straps which I think increase maneuverability and ability to control the foil in gusts. I would be willing to trade a slight decrease in the low end for much better control and maneuverability. If anything you could add the i99 to the 114 and this would beat the low wind range of the w125/i84.

However, it looks like you are jumping on the old wizard 125, so I am pretty sure you could jump on the 130 too.

I don't have my w125 anymore but I believe the 114 will get going equally as well if not better for the following reasons: more compact geometry and being able to move the foil forward in the track to increase lift if needed, so I do not think you will loose any of the low end you currently have with your w125. If however, you really want to push the lightwind envelop I would add the i99 first before adding more volume.

FYI: I am only 75kg and I don't jump much.

Hey thedoor,
I want to thank you a very lot for all shared information!!
You provided a lot of very valuable information!!
I just was quite convinced to decide for the right Board until I saw your rider weight.
75 instead of 90! Thank you also for this remark!
When I compare this is 15 liters less.

So it will means. Your 90 liter board is like 105 for me.
Or 105 for you is like 120 for me.
And 115 for you is like 130 for me.

Means when you compare 125 to 115 for me it will be more like 140 to 130. Am I wrong?
I gues when go to much down in the liter of the board I won't have lot of Advantages as the most Time I stand stil to deep in the water.
Cirrently I use a full of water. W125 from 2019 with a 5,4 bounce as biggest light wind sail to Start flying woth 9 to 10 knots.
Problem are currently the lull's. But this is another topic.

What I want to ask. In my driver weight a 140l won't create big difference.
Biut switching to smaller board that has less than 30 liters more as my weight is could lead to big difference in start so fky i think. What is your experience?

Friend of me with 65kg has a w105 that works great for him. Then he bought a fs87 and there is huge difference hiw many wind he needs to get on the foil. It It works only with more wind.

So thedoor I want to thank you a lot for your experiences. I fear that our different weight makes exactly the difference if there is a big or small difference between the w125 and the w114.
Or what do you think?

Thanks for all of your experiences. Basing on that now I tend more to the 130. If this will be resistent enough for jumping backs, forwards, normal jumps and let's see whatever I want to learn it would be great.

Yeah its tricky. I think the w114 gets going as easily as the w125, at least for me. However, 15kgs is a big difference and it sounds like the wind on your lake is up and down, so maybe the 130 is the way to go. If you are attempting all those tricks on the w125 you should easily be able to do the same on the 130.

I would assume the construction on the wizards is all the same, so the 130 should be jumpable. I can double check with slingshot if you want.

The freestyle shape doesn't get going as early as the wizard shape, so the comparison to from the w105 to the fs87 isn't great.

Once you are up on the foil, board length and width matter more than volume. I could probably get away with 90L wizard but it would make it harder to get going and harder to schlog back when the wind dies and the added volume of the 114 is not a hindrance when on the foil so I am happy to have that extra volume even when it blowing good. So the same is probably true for you: you could make the 114 work but you would likely have more consistent fun on the 130 at your 90kgs. For the majority of us foiling is about maximizing the lightwind fun so more volume (as long as the board is shortish) especially on a lake with lulls makes sense.

Having said all that I still have not sailed the w130. Can you demo it?

Hey thedoor !!!
I thank you a very lot for your very good description of the pro's and con's out of your point of view.
Yes we have a small lake that is really great in gusty and changing winds. Up's and down's in between minutes. Day's with only gusts, days where fin has 30 minutes of fun and with foil we flight for 2hrs or more on same day.

We have also days with lot of wind, but that are more rare. So it's more important to have also fun at low wind and not only a bit more at the rare good days. Intension is more to have "big days" when wind is not so good. So you brought me back to the floor.

If you have a good contact to the slingshot guys it would be great if you can get the information about jumping with the board. So honestly spoken my jumping tricks mostly don't end as they should. So the problem is surely more the bad landing. Not the correct one. For jumping we use the i65 but also the i76 ...with teh i76 the forces are much higher. The i65 likes landing and is going easier back into the water. The i76 likes to fly again after the jump what leads to increasing the forces on the board.

You should meet together with CoreAs and test all combinations..

I don't think it is recommended to jump in the i76 due to it's surface area, but shredders are gonna shred

Yeah I do need to try the w130, but we really need a big guy to try the 114 and see if it works for them in lightwind and how it compares to the old 125. Two day drive for me to Texas, to visit CoreAS so that is unlikely haha. I imaging Dean will get his hands on a w114 soon and be able to tell us what he thinks.

The good thing is that the overlap in wind ranges in foil boards is large, so if you pick wrong it's not going to be the end of the world.

I will reach out to slingshot and see if I get any more info on construction differences among the wizards, no guarantee of a response though.

PS: we really need an annual meet up in the Caribbean or Hawaii for all the seabreeze foiling folks. A big airbnb on the water somewhere, a couple of kegs etc. invite all the manufacturers to bring their gear to demo.

It would be great for a foil get together but like you said the US is on the large side and Texas alone takes a day to drive anywhere

for folk looking to jump foils just be prepared for damages. Boards, fuselage and mast will all bend and break.
I had to back off jumping the W125 as parts have been hard to come by. I was down to my last 90cm mast so had to granny it along this summer.
This mast from a weekend of jumping.

As people are wondering the W130 wing foils very nicely. Cannot use the front straps because they are too far back but for light winds and a 6.4 slingwing it was exceptionally stable and smooth to gybe

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thedoor said..
Apparently the construction on the w130 is the same as that for the w114 and w90. And the construction on the new wizards is very similar to the old wizards. However, it was suggested that landing flat from a big jump (eg a full rotation forward loop) on the w130 would not be desirable, just because of it's size.

I hope that helps

Thanks thedoor for asking and sharing !!

The jumping topic was one of the main reason I tended to the 114. The surface alltogether is less. So I guess there are also less foreces on the board at landing.
I hoped that the new Boards are perhaps more reinforced especially at the bottom. The bottom on the 19 and 20 wizard thems not to be so strong. As the new 130 is more copact then the old one I hoped that he is alltogether more stable. But then I have to test it.

I know jumping with the 76 is testing the limit of the material also when it makes lot of fun.
More fun and saver for me is jumping with i65. So i guess the bent mast was produced with the i76 correct?

Let's test how resistand the phantasm will be when they're on the market
12K carbon should be able to absorb more.

I'm also very optimistic that CoreAs will have tested soon also a 114. With that weight the comparsion would be much more helpfull for me.

P.S. Let's buy a beamer...from germany I would have the most longer way to meet you all together

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CoreAS said..
As people are wondering the W130 wing foils very nicely. Cannot use the front straps because they are too far back but for light winds and a 6.4 slingwing it was exceptionally stable and smooth to gybe

In which setup have you tried it?
Is strapless ok?
Seems really less wind !!
Interessting potential to wing with the new wizard.

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michaelpaf said..

P.S. Let's buy a beamer...from germany I would have the most longer way to meet you all together

Yeah that would be nice, but most of my money seems to be going towards foiling gear

Good luck with whatever you decide, hopefully you figure out a way to demo one or both of them.

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michaelpaf said..

CoreAS said..
As people are wondering the W130 wing foils very nicely. Cannot use the front straps because they are too far back but for light winds and a 6.4 slingwing it was exceptionally stable and smooth to gybe

In which setup have you tried it?
Is strapless ok?
Seems really less wind !!
Interessting potential to wing with the new wizard.

Exact same foil set up that I use for wind foiling (i84, long fuse, 90cm mast and 42 rear) I moved the foil all the way forward in the boxes and attached a waist leash.

Plenty of grip on the deck pads so no straps needed. Its a great board for both wind and wing foiling if you don't want to buy a dedicated wing board, its not going to break any speed records or winging back loops but for 10-17 knot winds with a 5.4 or 6.4 wing it works perfectly.

Video from yesterday testing the W130 for both winging and wind foiling.

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CoreAS said..
Video from yesterday testing the W130 for both winging and wind foiling.

Hey Dean,
Great video. It looks really very smooth!!!
How is the Feeling?
I expected that you need less wind with 6,4 slingwing. But i guess at first Sessions more wind helps to learn it.
How many Sessions do you just just with the slingwing?

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michaelpaf said..

CoreAS said..
Video from yesterday testing the W130 for both winging and wind foiling.

Hey Dean,
Great video. It looks really very smooth!!!
How is the Feeling?
I expected that you need less wind with 6,4 slingwing. But i guess at first Sessions more wind helps to learn it.
How many Sessions do you just just with the slingwing?

I am currently waiting for the new SS 2021 wing craft boards (dedicated for winging only, available in Dec) and so I have been foiling the SS outwit for winging. Its a big board that was originally designed for SUP foiling in waves and so using a shorter board like the W130 it felt very smooth and stable.

The W130 would be a great board for learning to wing surf on and developing the core skills (gybing, tacking etc).

I have been using the V2's for all summer long (6.4, 5.4 & 4.0) the V2's are fantastic and much more power and stability over the V1.

Sling Shot claims that the 130 will handle sails up to 9.0 metres. That seems a bit of a stretch to me. My Levitator 150 is comfortable with a 7.0 and maybe a 7.5 so I'm a little doubtful that the 130 will be comfortable with a 9.0. Anyone know?

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dejavu said..
Sling Shot claims that the 130 will handle sails up to 9.0 metres. That seems a bit of a stretch to me. My Levitator 150 is comfortable with a 7.0 and maybe a 7.5 so I'm a little doubtful that the 130 will be comfortable with a 9.0. Anyone know?

I would take the sail size graph with a pinch of salt. I think most free foilers like to use fairly small sails and 9.0 would be more race oriented on those barn door boards
It also states smallest sail 4.5 and I used a 4.0 all afternoon with the TC68 wing. Worked absolutely beautifully.

Enjoying everyone posts very helpful thank you..
I am using a RRD Firemove 135 with Slingshot 76... early days but love it. Old windsurfer new tricks ??

Couple questions please...

1. looking buy dedicated foil board... thinking this new 130 or Levitator 150 ? (I'm 94kg)

2. Would the 99 wing work on my free ride board or better wait to have dedicated foil board...

Thanks

Great discussion, everyone. There is a lot of really useful information here. Good on y'all.

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sj70 said..
Enjoying everyone posts very helpful thank you..
I am using a RRD Firemove 135 with Slingshot 76... early days but love it. Old windsurfer new tricks ??

Couple questions please...

1. looking buy dedicated foil board... thinking this new 130 or Levitator 150 ? (I'm 94kg)

2. Would the 99 wing work on my free ride board or better wait to have dedicated foil board...

Thanks

for me a board with tracks is a must for the 99, but big guys can get away without them.

If you are beyond the basic beginner stage I would probably suggest the wizard 130 unless you live in a very light wind area.

Sounds like you don't have any difficulty slogging and uphauling your 135 firemove, so you probably don't need the extra volume of the 150.

This suggestion is based on the fact that you will just have one board. If you were going to run two foil boards then maybe the 150 for super marginal wind and the wizard 115 for when it picks up.

This may have been asked already, and possibly by me....

What do you think of the Wizard 130 V3 as a board for a 6'4", 220lb guy coming off from a Levitator 160? I have no problem foiling but can't stay on foil through a jibe yet. The 130 Wizard is very close in specs to my Quatro wing drifter pro. Would the Wizard 130 V3 be a good dual purpose board for wing foiling AND wind foiling?

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excav8ter said..
This may have been asked already, and possibly by me....

What do you think of the Wizard 130 V3 as a board for a 6'4", 220lb guy coming off from a Levitator 160? I have no problem foiling but can't stay on foil through a jibe yet. The 130 Wizard is very close in specs to my Quatro wing drifter pro. Would the Wizard 130 V3 be a good dual purpose board for wing foiling AND wind foiling?

The main difference between the W130 and the Levi 160 will be the volume forward of the mast track. There isn't much on the W130 and so you'll have to adjust your technique.

When you're uphauling you have to shift your weight fast to the back of the board, but once you get power in the sail it pops up on the foil extremely quick, I haven't foiled any other board that releases as fast as the W130.

At your weight it should get you home no problem, where I foil the wind can shut off in a bat of an eye, so at 200 lbs the board has plenty of volume and I am not sinking.

Sail size, the SS specs say up to 9.0m but I don't think so, maybe 7.0 or 7.5 at a pinch. I use a 5.8 with the i99 for my biggest set up.

Lastly yes you can use for dual purpose (see vid).

Watch out!

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dejavu said..
Sling Shot claims that the 130 will handle sails up to 9.0 metres. That seems a bit of a stretch to me. My Levitator 150 is comfortable with a 7.0 and maybe a 7.5 so I'm a little doubtful that the 130 will be comfortable with a 9.0. Anyone know?

Hi all,
again thanks for all the consulting from your side. since some weeks the new Wizard V3 is now here. But only two possibilities to fly it until now.
Form the last crazy session and made a littel funny video.
And as we had here the discussion about the max sail size I just had the opportunity to put a Point7 ACX in 9,0 on the board.
As it was just my second session I wanted to test how my 5,6 is working when I put the Foil mast 1 cm more forward in the track box and positioned my Sail Mast round 5-6 cm behind in the mast track.

As I'm a lazy guy I haven't changed this positions when using the 9,0.
Ok, apparently a 9,0 is a monster of a sail and the trim of foil and mast was not ideal it worked. I used in only in low wind and came out a bit earlier as my friend with 5,7 Severne S1. In lulls it didn't wanted to stop.
In that short session with the 9,0 of round 15 - 20 minutes I was not able to use the full potential. But it's possible guys.



But my favorite is currently the 5,6 Zorro from Flight Sails. It gives a good more power as the Goya Bounce in 5,4 and is very light in the hands.

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michaelpaf said..

dejavu said..
Sling Shot claims that the 130 will handle sails up to 9.0 metres. That seems a bit of a stretch to me. My Levitator 150 is comfortable with a 7.0 and maybe a 7.5 so I'm a little doubtful that the 130 will be comfortable with a 9.0. Anyone know?

Hi all,
again thanks for all the consulting from your side. since some weeks the new Wizard V3 is now here. But only two possibilities to fly it until now.
Form the last crazy session and made a littel funny video.
And as we had here the discussion about the max sail size I just had the opportunity to put a Point7 ACX in 9,0 on the board.
As it was just my second session I wanted to test how my 5,6 is working when I put the Foil mast 1 cm more forward in the track box and positioned my Sail Mast round 5-6 cm behind in the mast track.

As I'm a lazy guy I haven't changed this positions when using the 9,0.
Ok, apparently a 9,0 is a monster of a sail and the trim of foil and mast was not ideal it worked. I used in only in low wind and came out a bit earlier as my friend with 5,7 Severne S1. In lulls it didn't wanted to stop.
In that short session with the 9,0 of round 15 - 20 minutes I was not able to use the full potential. But it's possible guys.

But my favorite is currently the 5,6 Zorro from Flight Sails. It gives a good more power as the Goya Bounce in 5,4 and is very light in the hands.

Super cool edit and excellent riding. Impressive pumping on that 9m too.

Even though you didn't have the balance optimal for the 9m it looked like things were pretty good.

was that the 76 wing? Would you go for something between the 9m and 5.7? Just wondering how much value there is in going that big.

Great vid michaelpf looks like you picked the right board for your local conditions

smooth gybes, 360's and even some air time, I like it.
I have been using a 4.5 and 5.0 quite a bit recently and the W130 really excels in winds 15-25 knots so it's great to see you flying with a 9.0 I didn't think it would work so great feedback.

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thedoor said..

michaelpaf said..

dejavu said..
Sling Shot claims that the 130 will handle sails up to 9.0 metres. That seems a bit of a stretch to me. My Levitator 150 is comfortable with a 7.0 and maybe a 7.5 so I'm a little doubtful that the 130 will be comfortable with a 9.0. Anyone know?

Hi all,
again thanks for all the consulting from your side. since some weeks the new Wizard V3 is now here. But only two possibilities to fly it until now.
Form the last crazy session and made a littel funny video.
And as we had here the discussion about the max sail size I just had the opportunity to put a Point7 ACX in 9,0 on the board.
As it was just my second session I wanted to test how my 5,6 is working when I put the Foil mast 1 cm more forward in the track box and positioned my Sail Mast round 5-6 cm behind in the mast track.

As I'm a lazy guy I haven't changed this positions when using the 9,0.
Ok, apparently a 9,0 is a monster of a sail and the trim of foil and mast was not ideal it worked. I used in only in low wind and came out a bit earlier as my friend with 5,7 Severne S1. In lulls it didn't wanted to stop.
In that short session with the 9,0 of round 15 - 20 minutes I was not able to use the full potential. But it's possible guys.

But my favorite is currently the 5,6 Zorro from Flight Sails. It gives a good more power as the Goya Bounce in 5,4 and is very light in the hands.

Super cool edit and excellent riding. Impressive pumping on that 9m too.

Even though you didn't have the balance optimal for the 9m it looked like things were pretty good.

was that the 76 wing? Would you go for something between the 9m and 5.7? Just wondering how much value there is in going that big.

Hey thedoor,
thanks that you enjoyed it. I was really surprised how balanced the 9,0 was on the board.
On the Wizard 125 I had some weeks a GA Hybrid in 7,2 and it felt not really good balanced.
So I expected much more strange trim feelings on the board.
Mast in the track and mast on the board was trimmed for 5,6. So when I try it next time I'll optimize the trim (foil mast most back / Sail mast most forward). I guess it will work much better and fly more stable. But I'll keep you informed :-)

Yes it was the Infintiy 76 with 90cm mast.

In our area the disadvantage of this sail size is simply that you're very quick overpowered.
And when you are not flying you feel the efforts of the weight.
So I hope my 5,6 will help me enough also in low wind conditions.

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CoreAS said..
Great vid michaelpf looks like you picked the right board for your local conditions

smooth gybes, 360's and even some air time, I like it.
I have been using a 4.5 and 5.0 quite a bit recently and the W130 really excels in winds 15-25 knots so it's great to see you flying with a 9.0 I didn't think it would work so great feedback.

Hey Dean,
yeah I'm sure that this board is the right decision for heavier riders.
I thought it will be much more technical but my impression was that the difference in minmal.
But the feeling in flying mode is really 100% fun for me.

I hope I'll be able to write soon my experiences also with smaller sails, but currently we have big big lull.
Keep flying and hear you soon...