Alright the time has come to get a crew on board and take our product and testing to the highest level. As most of you are aware this is something I have been plugging away at for 3 years and the wife is putting a stop to the assets I can liquidate and I've run out of toys to sell We have done testing with great whites twice in New Zealand waters . Our last trip involve Australias top White Shark specialist Professor Charlie Huveeners from Flinders University in SA. Due to last minute alterations to our existing scientific permit testing proved extremely difficult in the limit area that we had access to . Currently we are $30 000 out of pocket on research and need another $30 000. We have applied for numerous grants but seem to hit brick wall after brick wall . We need to get to South Africa for our final data collection so Im appealing to Seabreeze crew to come onboard. If we could get $100 from 3000 people we would be on the next plane . For this $100 or more Im happy to take this off the price of a device . I need to make this happen so if anyone wants to come on board or can help in anyway PM me, call, text 0417 540 213. Your support with Surfsafe has been great

I`m in Dave i`ll give you a call for details.

instead of crew funding have you thought about crowd funding? - pozzible or kick starter, similar but much bigger audience:
www.pozible.com/
www.kickstarter.com/

cheers for the support guys

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katana said..
cheers for the support guys

Ill happily chip in some funds.. Just let us know how, were and when..

Dave,

Do mean "funding" as in investing (and becoming a shareholder), or do you mean donating?

Apologies if this is a stupid question as not clear to me in your post (although I acknowledge you can't put all details in a forum post).

Also, to what extent is the "testing" independent scientific research?

Cheers

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and need another $30 000. We have applied for numerous grants but seem to hit brick wall after brick wall . We need to get to South Africa for our final data collection so Im appealing to Seabreeze crew to come onboard. If we could get $100 from 3000 people we would be on the next plane . For this $100 or more Im happy to take this off the price of a device . I need to make this happen so if anyone wants to come on board or can help in anyway PM me, call, text 0417 540 213. Your support with Surfsafe has been great

Dave ,is it $30 000 you need or $300 000 ($100 x 3000 people)?

Yes,,, I'm in, go hard Dave.. !!

FKUK ,, nothing pist me off worse than todays news article.. I really hope the crew get behind you, and when you go to a public listing, our names are on the front page of the prospectus.. :)

I'll have 5, (and expect a few discounts over time,,maybe I need a scud or 3).

PM me with details,,

Quirky

Trevor , basically what Dave's doing perhaps is an informal crowdfunding by offering a discount.

Dave,, maybe make up a little FB editorial, and we can share,,, maybe make it controversial but legal!

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I'm in Dave - PM me your account details.

I dont leave home without the surf safe nor do the kids.

Count us in Dave.

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katana said..
and need another $30 000. We have applied for numerous grants but seem to hit brick wall after brick wall . We need to get to South Africa for our final data collection so Im appealing to Seabreeze crew to come onboard. If we could get $100 from 3000 people we would be on the next plane . For this $100 or more Im happy to take this off the price of a device . I need to make this happen so if anyone wants to come on board or can help in anyway PM me, call, text 0417 540 213 skypec2c://r/204 0417 540 213. Your support with Surfsafe has been great

Dave ,is it $30 000 you need or $300 000 ($100 x 3000 people)?

sorry misprint yes I need another $30 000 total that's what the scientist wants for a 4 week study

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quirkus said..
FKUK ,, nothing pist me off worse than todays news article..

Which article was that, quirky?

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quirkus said..
Trevor , basically what Dave's doing perhaps is an informal crowdfunding by offering a discount.

Dave,, maybe make up a little FB editorial, and we can share,,, maybe make it controversial but legal!

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got it in one Quirky!! sick of paying middle man on this project if possible , the crowd funders take 15-20%
we have been in business over 24years and I can guarantee this is not a scam .
thanks ,I will get a FB page up with more detail .

You gotta go with bubbles and flashing lights mixed with orca noises........then Colin will help you out
great story in the West....funny only devices tested were Colins mates ideas.....sheesh

go to today tonight or whatever The Worst and Ch 7 opposite number is mate

Im in and will PM for bank details

I agree with above advice thought about getting it to a larger audience through a broader site.

I'm in, but need to know if the device can be fitted to my next custom. Sorry, not a Katana.
more details please.

Dave, as someone who has been on the periphery of raising funds for R&D here is some of what I have learned along the way.

If you require $30,000, you need to raise $100,000... When the $30,000 runs out it will be far harder to raise additional funds, and the money you need now may only get you to the next step.

The crowdfunding sites, at 15-20% sound expensive, but they have active markets of willing smaller investors.

I would almost suggest you are better to raise $10,000 now, use that for a killer kickstarter or indegogo campaign video and try raise $250,000 or $1,000,000 which can be easier than raising $30,000 - particularly if the technology has applications far broader than surfing - eg all the large marine underwater survey companies have an OH&S obligation to arm their people with shark deterrent devices.

How good was these guys video...
www.indiegogo.com/projects/flow-hive-honey-on-tap-directly-from-your-beehive#/story

Its a noble cause you are fighting and I think you need to be fishing in the bigger pond to get this thing flying.

Legion,,
referring to the WA. My impression from the article was that there was only one system tested that worked, and no reference to other units.. Great PR and marketing from another crowd who didn't seem to have any real or practical answers for a surfboard I thought.

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Legion,,
referring to the WA. My impression from the article was that there was only one system tested that worked, and no reference to other units.. Great PR and marketing from another crowd who didn't seem to have any real or practical answers for a surfboard I thought.

Lets be honest. The State government invested ANOTHER $2 million dollars to test bubbles, noise, Shark Shield and EDCS system. They found that the SS worked 90% of the time. How is that good money invested into the current shark problem I guess thats what really got my goat up also..

Dave's system is great, it works a treat, last night i had a guy come up to me after dark and ask what the light was on my board? i had forgotten it was even their..

Mandy has set up the Research account and we are up and running! For those with concerns it is all above board and every cent will be accounted for A full register of those that come on board will be kept and vouchers will be issued Thanks for all the emails text and pm from everyone The support is awesome The offers of help are definitely going to be taken up Emails going out as we speak

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quirkus said..
Legion,,
referring to the WA. My impression from the article was that there was only one system tested that worked, and no reference to other units.. Great PR and marketing from another crowd who didn't seem to have any real or practical answers for a surfboard I thought.

Lets be honest. The State government invested ANOTHER $2 million dollars to test bubbles, noise, Shark Shield and EDCS system. They found that the SS worked 90% of the time. How is that good money invested into the current shark problem

I'd say verifying a 90% success rate with a particular device is damn good money invested, although the sample size is small.

I like Dave and I hope his product does well but I didn't/don't understand why you guys get angry that there's a competitor. If I liked Holdens, I wouldn't get angry every time there was a news article about Ford. Hopefully competition breeds innovation, as it seems to have with Dave's product.

FWIW the competitor's product owner's son is an enthusiastic and damn good surfer. No affiliation except I vaguely know him in the water to say g'day to. So I'm sure he's testing their units for his pops and giving feedback.

So Dave, how much did they offer you on Shark Tank? I forget. In hindsight would that have been a good idea to take or did you feel that their terms were too onerous? I seem to remember they wanted large percentages.

I have to say I had a laugh when I read SHark shield has a good success rate. That's great and it's what I want to hear, but bugger all use if it's not practical to use on a surfboard. They should have tested daves unit as well coz it's the only device a surfer would use.

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I have to say I had a laugh when I read SHark shield has a good success rate. That's great and it's what I want to hear, but bugger all use if it's not practical to use on a surfboard. They should have tested daves unit as well coz it's the only device a surfer would use.

Yes they should have

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Legion said..

bjshack said..

quirkus said..
Legion,,
referring to the WA. My impression from the article was that there was only one system tested that worked, and no reference to other units.. Great PR and marketing from another crowd who didn't seem to have any real or practical answers for a surfboard I thought.

Lets be honest. The State government invested ANOTHER $2 million dollars to test bubbles, noise, Shark Shield and EDCS system. They found that the SS worked 90% of the time. How is that good money invested into the current shark problem

I'd say verifying a 90% success rate with a particular device is damn good money invested, although the sample size is small.

I like Dave and I hope his product does well but I didn't/don't understand why you guys get angry that there's a competitor. If I liked Holdens, I wouldn't get angry every time there was a news article about Ford. Hopefully competition breeds innovation, as it seems to have with Dave's product.

FWIW the competitor's product owner's son is an enthusiastic and damn good surfer. No affiliation except I vaguely know him in the water to say g'day to. So I'm sure he's testing their units for his pops and giving feedback.

So Dave, how much did they offer you on Shark Tank? I forget. In hindsight would that have been a good idea to take or did you feel that their terms were too onerous? I seem to remember they wanted large percentages.

i also Know and get along with his son .I also think its great to have competition and have no issue with shark sheild we were not happy that we could not be included in the study after we made numerous attempt contacting those involved .
Shark tank was a good fun but not realistic for us although the contacts they got us were great for development of the product .

Give Sharktank a try (pardon the pun).
Just don't go with that Tech pioneer guy - he's a wanker.

Legion,, nothing like competition,, just annoyed with their coverage ",,, only device that works,, " (or something to that effect) ,, compared to bubbles and .. ??
But should expect that from a local rag and journos..
They've been spoonfed by some good PR people..


BTW ,,, Dave, mine's on its way..

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NewScotty said...
Give Sharktank a try (pardon the pun).
Just don't go with that Tech pioneer guy - he's a wanker.

My call is they're all wankers, and yes the tech guy is probably the worst

Btw I love red thumbs

Heya Dave,

Perhaps you could try contacting the project, see if they will do a story.

Pretty sure they have contact details flashed at the end of each show.

Re crowd funding sites, factor in the cut and ask for $36,000.

I'm coming to see you early next week I have a few ideas you may want to think about.