2nd that although the sizes are big and they are fairly stretchy
medium if you normally wear large and large if you normally wear an XL
on the 3/2
i assume the fit is the same for 4/3
had never owned anything except a back zip before and now probably wouldn't go back
had mine around 6 months and it has loosened up a bit but it got a workout
be interested to see how long i get out of it although for the price
you can afford to re-new them every season under $200 delivered