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Problem with having a secret spot.

Created by Zuke Zuke  > 9 months ago, 6 Jul 2011
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Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

6 Jul 2011 5:52pm
I found a secret spot about 5 years ago that I shared with one of my mates straight up and another mate about 2 years ago because it's better with two and the first mate works away a lot.

It needs certain conditions to work and I have that sussed and the conditions look good this Friday and I have Friday free. Unfortunately both mates are away!

I have surfed it once myself but you need a 4WD and a boat to get there.

Oh well, the frustration and sacrifices made to keep a spot secret are all part of it I suppose.
Torch
Torch

WA

521 posts

6 Jul 2011 6:24pm
The problem with a secret spot is you have to kill who ever you show I dont have many mates now
subasurf
subasurf

WA

2154 posts

6 Jul 2011 6:39pm
Doesn't sound like a problem at all to me.
smicko
smicko

WA

2503 posts

6 Jul 2011 8:48pm
One thing's for sure Zuke, you're not in WA. It's been flat for a few days and we've got another week or so to go.
Meanwhile Tassie's gelting belted by 8+m on Saturday, would love to see those points. In fact the whole east coast should be on fire the next week or so.
Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

6 Jul 2011 8:54pm
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smicko said...

One thing's for sure Zuke, you're not in WA. It's been flat for a few days and we've got another week or so to go.
Meanwhile Tassie's gelting belted by 8+m on Saturday, would love to see those points. In fact the whole east coast should be on fire the next week or so.


I am in WA!

This is a freaky spot well off shore and I've never seen anyone else there but it is hard to get to.
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

7 Jul 2011 8:42am
Few more clues please Zuke
subasurf
subasurf

WA

2154 posts

7 Jul 2011 9:07am
Was thinking the same thing.
Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

7 Jul 2011 9:19am
It does need the right conditions to work ie; tide, swell and not too much wind but I think Torch understands.
Bart1
Bart1

WA

55 posts

7 Jul 2011 12:16pm
I have a 4x4 and a boat? just got a new wettie too
Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

7 Jul 2011 1:29pm
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Bart1 said...

I have a 4x4 and a boat? just got a new wettie too


I know just the place for you. Launch at Hillarys and head WNW
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

7 Jul 2011 1:50pm
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Zuke said...

Bart1 said...

I have a 4x4 and a boat? just got a new wettie too


I know just the place for you. Launch at Hillarys and head WNW


I know of one thats x kms from a certain river mouth and is a right and left

Its so secret I havnt even been there yet, Ive been given the directions ect but havnt had the time to give it a go, but I have seen pics and it need bugger all swell and very light winds. I recon it will be a bugger to find with directions
Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

7 Jul 2011 1:53pm
That one is a little more secret doggie but not my spot.
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

7 Jul 2011 1:57pm
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Zuke said...

That one is a little more secret doggie but not my spot.


You know that as well ay
subasurf
subasurf

WA

2154 posts

7 Jul 2011 3:38pm
TAKE ME WITH YOU!!!!!!!
Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

7 Jul 2011 3:48pm
Oh, I know the one you mean doggie. It's out from the _ _ _ _ River and does get really good. Do you mean Strickos?
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

7 Jul 2011 4:00pm
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Zuke said...

Oh, I know the one you mean doggie. It's out from the _ _ _ _ River and does get really good. Do you mean Strickos?


Yep, take me next time Im hanging to get out there!!!
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

7 Jul 2011 4:27pm
This is interesting -

http://www.swellnet.com.au/news/2375-social-media-killed-the-secret-spot

Every now and again I'll read online how Swellnet is ruining surfing by telling everyone where the good waves are. Clearly it's a bull**** line; except for the obvious spots such as Snapper we never publish the names of waves and our reports and forecasts only give regional advice.

It seems everyone needs a dog to kick so we suffer the blows in silence.

Yet the very same complaint can be made against Facebook fiends naming spots online and rarely do those culprits get pulled up. I've seen it happen a number of times - often by a pro surfer or photographer - and in each instance the 'friend' count of the person in question has been in the thousands. And remember that number is merely a starting point; Facebook's knock-on effect means the amount of people privy to 'private' info compounds each time a new person comments on a post. When that happens the delicate information is revealed to all their friends and the network of exposure grows ever-outward.

It's a simple process yet the effects and implications appear utterly lost on some people.

Recently a new application has been launched and its effects have been fast-tracking surf spot exposure. 'Places' is an odious little app that lets users tell all their friends exactly where they are in real time. In surfing that means rocking up to a spot, whipping out your iPhone and broadcasting the co-ordinates to all your friends, and, as it happens, to all their friends via the Facebook knock-on network.

The power of this app was made clear to me today. Someone in my network broadcast their location via 'Places'. He was at one of the best waves on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula, a wave that just five years ago would've been considered a legitimate secret spot.

In 2003 I pulled into the carpark of the very same spot and was bailed up by a couple of locals asking how I knew about it. They weren't violent but were certainly indignant to see unknown faces rolling up to one of their quality waves.

Yet today I had the name and the exact co-ordinates of the spot sent to my computer. Overlay it on Google Earth and I could see the carpark and the name of every single road that gets you there.

The culprit named all the other surfers that were there also (nine people) broadcasting it to their friends. By doing quick math I estimate that upwards of 10 000 people now know where the wave is. That number will increase as more people comment on the post. Include the obligatory, soon-to-be-posted photos and it may well double.

To give some context: that number exceeds the circulation of most Australian surf magazines. Therefore the information sent via 'Places' is more powerful and corrosive to the surfing community than any magazine - or for that matter, any forecasting site - could ever be. Secrecy doesn't stand a chance against an idiot with an iPhone.

I know the name of the surfer broadcasting this info, it's here in front of me on the screen, and I'd dearly love to publish it because naming and shaming is what this fella needs. Yet naming him publicly will only perpetuate the cycle.

And, look, I understand the inevitability of change; that all secret spots eventually get exposed and frontiers become well-trodden. I know it's futile to resist it, but why speed up the process for no gain? It defies logic. Do these people like surfing in crowds?

If you come across crew on Facebook broadcasting info in this way then I believe it's a surfers civic duty to tell them to stop. We've got to draw a line somewhere and you might as well be the one to say where that line is.

Read the comments at the end of the link
Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

7 Jul 2011 5:11pm
That's really horrible doggie. Only 3 of us know of this spot and when one of my mates wanted to take photos I told him no way! All it takes is something in the background that one person recognisers and it's all over. We all have boats but we also have an understanding that I found the spot and either of them only surfs it if I'm there and they don't give a hint of it's location to anybody.

I know it sounds paranoid but I consider it essential. Like I said, I've been surfing it for 5 years and have never seen anyone near it.
doggie
doggie

WA

15849 posts

8 Jul 2011 11:58am
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Zuke said...

That's really horrible doggie. Only 3 of us know of this spot and when one of my mates wanted to take photos I told him no way! All it takes is something in the background that one person recognisers and it's all over. We all have boats but we also have an understanding that I found the spot and either of them only surfs it if I'm there and they don't give a hint of it's location to anybody.

I know it sounds paranoid but I consider it essential. Like I said, I've been surfing it for 5 years and have never seen anyone near it.


And fair enough too, it sounds like its a hard one to get to as well and that helps.

Funny thing is over the years Ive told of many spots that Ive never been to. I guess I should check some of them out the ones I have gone to have generally been good waves but not all time best ever, they are just out of the way waves.
The east coast is much different as is SA, locals are not friendly as a rule
Zuke
Zuke

901 posts

8 Jul 2011 2:33pm
I, like others I'm sure have "B" waves that I surf regularly. Not perfect waves, there might be a step in the wave or a piece of reef that pokes it head out that you have to go around. Some of these waves can have perfect days but generally I prefer to surf them because I really hate crowds! These are also secret spots that need a boat.

I would much rather have a stress free surf with just two out and score 30 or 40 waves in a session on a "B" wave than have to deal with crowds. I used to surf _ l _ _ _ _ _ in the 90's when you had it to yourself during the week, now if there is the remote chance that it will be breaking even with a strong offshore there will be other boats there at sunrise.

I was speaking with another surfer with a boat a couple of weeks ago, the conditions were predicted to be good for _ _ _ _ l _ _ _ _ _ _ _ so he launched his boat before twilight hoping to be first in the water at twilight, the easterly was howling too. When he arrived there were 6 boats there already, when there was just enough light to see the break there were 15 guys in the water.

Give me an out of the way off shore reef any day!

I've pretty much surveyed from Hillarys to the _ _ _ _ _ _ o _ _ _ near that river. I'm sure I've missed a few spots that work on certain days but I do have my favorite few that work in different conditions so there is nearly always an option.

The most important part is surfing with people that can be trusted to keep the secret.
Legion
Legion

WA

2222 posts

8 Jul 2011 3:52pm
I'll go with you Zuke. You can trust me to keep a secret, since I hate everybody. Read my previous rants about crowds and life in general as an illustration.

How'd your secret spot go today?
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