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KEARNSY
KEARNSY

WA

1322 posts

4 Jan 2014 7:33am
Cant hurt to knock a few off . Clearly we have an issue with the local shark population.

I wont be attending.......
P co
P co

WA

458 posts

4 Jan 2014 7:57am
Not a cull but managed fishing.
TimKay
TimKay

752 posts

4 Jan 2014 10:50am
This seems to be the issue that everyone seems to think they know a lot about but in reality know F all
I don't know much about Sharks so I can't make an informed comment
Doesn't stop the rest of WA of getting self righteous about the issue though
bakesy
bakesy

WA

682 posts

4 Jan 2014 5:38pm
Anyone else surprised by the number that attended? I can't work out whether this is a small number and therefore pretty ineffectual or whether this will cause some alarm for Colin. I'm happy with the decision at this stage but am interested to see what is caught.
Beelzebub
Beelzebub

WA

145 posts

4 Jan 2014 7:09pm
Large predatory sharks are relics of the age of the dinosaurs. As far as I am concerned, the GWS can hence be culled in copious numbers.
PaddlePig
PaddlePig

WA

421 posts

4 Jan 2014 9:25pm
I hope it doesn't rattle Colin. Hope the plan continues. It seems like a good and sensible idea to me. Part of me hopes my letters pushing and pushing for something to be done contributed to him wanting to commit to this plan although truth is he probably didn't read them.
rbl
rbl

rbl

WA

153 posts

4 Jan 2014 10:33pm
Well there is usually about that many clowns at cott every time i go there
Harr525
Harr525

WA

26 posts

4 Jan 2014 11:04pm
I'm on the fence with this one. I think the cull won't be effective but there were certainly a lot of people squealing for something to be done.
I wonder how many of those squealers attended the rally???
surferstu
surferstu

1011 posts

4 Jan 2014 11:39pm
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Harr525 said..

I'm on the fence with this one. I think the cull won't be effective but there were certainly a lot of people squealing for something to be done.
I wonder how many of those squealers attended the rally???




Why would they, it was a protest against culling not for it. The one guy I know who went to it rarely enters the ocean if at all, didn't know any facts of what the gov actually is going to do and was under the impression it was an ongoing all out cull of all sharks.
Harr525
Harr525

WA

26 posts

5 Jan 2014 12:13am
Yes, of course the rally was against the cull. There are a few out there that just like to make noise...
airhead
airhead

WA

814 posts

6 Jan 2014 12:55pm

THE DRUM
A surfer's defence of the great white shark
OPINION
SAMUEL CARMODY

Surfers should be at the frontline of protests planned for this weekend against the policy to kill large sharks in Western Australia, writes Samuel Carmody.

My father introduced me to surfing when I was seven or eight years old, carrying me into the beach breaks off my childhood town of Geraldton whilst I lay on my foam board, terrified of a small sea that had then seemed huge, crying like a newborn being introduced to another bewildering world.

"You're trying to kill me," were the words I'd bleated, over and over. I remember that moment clearer than any other memory I have. The whiteout of the afternoon summer sky, the water torn by the sea-breeze. I remember the scream of that wind in my ears. And I remember most vividly the pure, potent anxiety I felt, the recognition that I was entering a space so much bigger than myself, bigger and more powerful even than my father had seemed to me all those years ago.

I guess I instinctively felt then, as young as I was, what I know now; that the ocean is an environment you can never truly control. It is the reason I grew to love it, why surfing became the closest thing to an addiction I have ever known. I came in from that first fear-stricken encounter with the sea utterly hooked.

In my memory of growing up along the rural coast of Western Australia, surfing was a tough, almost mystical activity performed by a strange species of person. I can recall my father being verballed by a local surfer in the mid-west lobster fishing town of Kalbarri for taking to the bush to relieve himself before an early morning surf; accosted as his bare bum hung over the coastal scrub and red dirt in the pre-dawn darkness. It was a surreal thing to witness, and it left a lasting impression on the way I viewed that coastline; these toothless, leathered-skin men enforcing complex eco-sensitive standards. A turd in the dunes was just not cricket. A coke bottle found left on a beach could send them into a rage. Who were these people? To them the sanctity of the ocean was absolute. Their submission to its power was all encompassing. They hooted after a death-defying wipeout, and spoke with a sailor's romanticism about death at sea.

And they had a deep respect for sharks. They feared them, sure, but in the same way a mountaineer might fear avalanches or altitude sickness. The risks, the danger, were all a part of it. The Great White Death. The Noah. The Man in the Grey Suit. It enlivened the whole experience. A surfer escaped land for a reason beyond the transient thrill of a wave. When you stepped into the sea you stepped into a wilderness. It wasn't golf. That was the whole point.

But in recent times the roughened wisdom of surfing appears to have lost its compass. Perhaps some of that spirit went down the same drain as Billabong, the iconic surfing brand turned doomed behemoth; overcome by its own acceptance into the mainstream, swallowed and then condemned by its own commercial successes. Australian surfing media has morphed from the counter-cultural lifestyle magazines of yester-year to advertising-laden publications, obsessed with the celebrity-based economy of surfing as professional sport.

This evolution in itself is not so unusual, or necessarily malevolent. It is the at times almost anti-environmental tone of popular surfing media that has marked the greatest diversion from surfing's Morning-of-the-Earth roots, and which is cause for alarm. A spate of fatal shark attacks in WA waters since 2010 has encouraged a coarsening of the rhetoric towards sharks, both in surfing media and from some peripheral figures in the Australian surfing world, that is unprecedented in its hatefulness towards the animal. For the first time, some in surfing's broad church now sing in chorus with the shark fisherman, and the 'suits'. To quote Surfing Life magazine, the "beasts need to be taken out".

And the Western Australian Government has obliged. Sometime in the next few weeks, or even days, baited hooks will be set off WA's most popular beaches. Sharks longer than three metres that are caught, if not already dead when the lines are retrieved, will be shot and their carcasses discarded. In light of the falling popularity of the incumbent Premier Colin Barnett, one could conclude that the new policy is wholly politically motivated: an ailing government convinced that the public, including surfers, might be impressed by the kind of throwback symbolism of power and strength that a politician holding a large, shining hook might once have inspired. And for some it might. But surfers should be at the centre of a defence of the oceans, not hand in hand with those that seek to destroy its creatures without any attempt at a scientific reasoning for it.

Remarkably, even Premier Barnett has conceded that experts in marine science would not approve of his government's measures. And how dare we, then, take to the sea now like spooked Neanderthals and seek revenge for something we don't fathom, for a fear we don't attempt to truly reason with or understand? It seems it is becoming the black mark of our times: the ignorance of science in favour of self-interest or primitive emotion. Take away humanity's nobility, our intellect, our capacity for reason and judgement, what is left beneath? Who are the real monsters?

Now 28 years old, I've often wondered if my memory of that childhood on WA's rural coast is quite as accurate as I'd like to remember it. What if the men in the gravel car-parks of those remote surf breaks that I remember were not as 'noble' as the seven- or eight-year-old thought them to be? What if surfing culture was never as wise or transcendent as that earlier counter culture seems in hindsight? I imagine that those men I saw were indeed imperfect, that they would likely disappoint me if I was to meet them now. I suspect that none of it was ever as good as the mind can memorialise it. But we don't need our imagination, or the past. We can see real nobility in our own time, in the majority of public opinion that is opposed to shark culling, transcending the natural, animal fear we have of such a formidable apex predator. And we have seen it in the memory of the surfers who have tragically lost their lives to shark attacks; almost to a person remembered publicly by their families for their abiding respect for the ocean and their wishes that no shark would ever be killed in their name.

Like many other Western Australians with a close relationship to the sea, I'm off-put by our ocean at the moment, and I'm disturbed by each tragic loss of life. Something does seem amiss. But also like most Western Australians, if something is wrong, I want to know why. We know so little of our ocean. Its greatest predator, the great white shark, remains in many ways a mystery. And of course we have the capacity to learn more, that rare intellect and reason to understand a problem before we act, if only we display the necessary patience that is, again, a unique facet of our humanity.

I will stand alongside thousands of other WA ocean-lovers on Cottesloe Beach at 10am this Saturday because I think we are better than fear, and that we are nobler than vengeance. In this moment in history where we are beginning to learn the critical nature of humankind's impact on the planet, and the destructive folly of past generations, surely the ocean finally deserves the best of us as a species.

Samuel Carmody is a writer and musician based in Perth. He is a doctoral student in Western Australian literature at Curtin University and is the chief songwriter of alternative Perth rock band, Warning Birds. View his full profile here.

POSTED FRI 3 JAN 2014, 12:36 PM AEDT

mobile.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-03/carmody-in-defence-of-the-great-white-shark/5183396
quirkus
quirkus

WA

322 posts

6 Jan 2014 1:15pm
^^ and the last time he went for a surf at lefthanders was ,, when??

..at 28yo,, most think that they are invincible..


maybe he'd like to wax lyrical about how absolutely marvelous it was to consider the odds of an attack 20 years ago compared to the last 3 years..
ex
ex

ex

WA

50 posts

6 Jan 2014 3:28pm
It's not a cull! It's just management of a species. It's been happening over east for years with very little impact on marine life. Some action is better than none and it will only get worse as shark numbers are increasing-FACT. As for the protestors I found there slogans/banners/posters misguided propaganda comparing car deaths/human diseases and other crap. To me it was a small turn out and the media made a bigger issue of it than what it was. As for Samuel Carmondy Opinion, what a load of self righteous crap, I as a surfer won't be told what I should or shouldn't support and I was brought up different to that fantasy.
jbshack
jbshack

WA

6913 posts

6 Jan 2014 3:34pm
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bakesy said..

Anyone else surprised by the number that attended? I can't work out whether this is a small number and therefore pretty ineffectual or whether this will cause some alarm for Colin. I'm happy with the decision at this stage but am interested to see what is caught.


We will not be told what is caught. That has already been stated

Personally i think the numbers will have rattled him, and a few of his colleagues are already suggesting a re think

I was surprised at the numbers that attended..

ex
ex

ex

WA

50 posts

6 Jan 2014 3:42pm
^^^^^^^
I had a chuckle to myself when photos started to surface. Most wouldn't be able to fit into a wetsuit let alone put on dive gear or paddle a surf board.
jbshack
jbshack

WA

6913 posts

6 Jan 2014 3:59pm
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ex said..

^^^^^^^
I had a chuckle to myself when photos started to surface. Most wouldn't be able to fit into a wetsuit let alone put on dive gear or paddle a surf board.


Yeah thats right, everyone knows you have to be a size 8 and hot to have any say in how our state's beaches are run

Hope if you have daughter she is hot so that he vote counts
ex
ex

ex

WA

50 posts

6 Jan 2014 4:13pm
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jbshack said..

ex said..

^^^^^^^
I had a chuckle to myself when photos started to surface. Most wouldn't be able to fit into a wetsuit let alone put on dive gear or paddle a surf board.


Yeah thats right, everyone knows you have to be a size 8 and hot to have any say in how our state's beaches are run

Hope if you have daughter she is hot so that he vote counts


Relax, it's just a bit of sarcasm!
Oldmate78
Oldmate78

172 posts

6 Jan 2014 4:31pm
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jbshack said...
bakesy said..

Anyone else surprised by the number that attended? I can't work out whether this is a small number and therefore pretty ineffectual or whether this will cause some alarm for Colin. I'm happy with the decision at this stage but am interested to see what is caught.


We will not be told what is caught. That has already been stated

Personally i think the numbers will have rattled him, and a few of his colleagues are already suggesting a re think

I was surprised at the numbers that attended..




JB I am sure I read that they will publish the number of sharks caught. An article I read said they will have a dedicated website with up to date data.
LateStarter
LateStarter

WA

589 posts

6 Jan 2014 4:54pm
Did anyone else notice how busy all the local restaurants and chipper were just after this march?

There was no shortage of self righteous w*nkers queuing 10 deep for fish and chips across the road.

Obviously a Shark Mitigation Strategy that results in the death of sharks is worth protesting against, but directly contributing to the decimation of the ocean (and indirectly the death of the very sharks they were marching to protect) by over fishing and super trawlers is a moot point since deep fried fish tastes oh so good.

Hypocrites.
Grevas
Grevas

147 posts

6 Jan 2014 4:56pm
To be honest, I think the whole thing is just a PR exercise. I would be surprised if they catch enough to make any big affect on shark numbers or the amount of attacks that are happening.
Not going to stop surfing either way, so I will go about life as per normal.
LateStarter
LateStarter

WA

589 posts

6 Jan 2014 4:57pm
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Oldmate78 said..

JB I am sure I read that they will publish the number of sharks caught. An article I read said they will have a dedicated website with up to date data.


The Government may not directly advertise this information on prime time television, but such statistics will be readily available under the freedom of information act - I would expect the local tabloids to be keeping a running 'death toll' from the moment the very first drum line is set.
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

6 Jan 2014 7:31pm
it would be interesting and informative if the figures were published as for a comparison with our drums.
by the way our figures are published and televised. the 54 drums on our coast get 90+sharks per year and the biggest average sharks 4 to 5m.



The bulletin
15 Jan 2013
IT'S tiger shark season, but a whopper 4.7m female caught off Coolum last week was still no match for the 5.5m monster caught off Emu Park last year.

One hundred and five sharks were caught off the Capricorn Coast last year under the Fisheries Queensland Shark Control Program in 2012.

The Emu Park catch was the largest of 753 sharks caught by professional shark hunters in Queensland waters, 53 more than in 2011 and 150 more than in 2007.

Sharks are more active in the warmer months but since the introduction of the shark netting and drumline program in 1962, there has only been one fatal shark attack on a controlled beach in Queensland.
Oldmate78
Oldmate78

172 posts

6 Jan 2014 5:54pm
How's the comment on the kalbarri locals stopping his old man from taking a dump on the point showing how environmentally sensitive they were. I don't know bout you guys, but if someone took a dump at my local beach I probably wouldn't be too happy...doesn't mean I would oppose knocking off some men in grey suits though.
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