hi all. i've noticed that shortboards are getting wider, wider noses and a bit thicker too.

i even know a shortboard shaper who is experimenting with chines/hull at the front of his boards. could ther be a connect there?
tsj from noosa is a premier long board and sup shaper.

just wondering if the crew have seen any changes in mal designs that might have a bit of 'sup' in them.

no i'm not taking the piss. sup shapes are evolving rapidly and maybe those guys shaping sups might be taking somethings back to their mal designs or what?

thx,s

Stu from Stuart has a new model called the bender,its wider shorter and thicker than you would normally ride,Stu made it to fit our local conditions and my lad has managed to drop 4 inches in length.

I think the first sup's were based off the mals but more so now the shortboard with a dawn out rocker.

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62mac said...

Stu from Stuart has a new model called the bender,its wider shorter and thicker than you would normally ride,Stu made it to fit our local conditions and my lad has managed to drop 4 inches in length.

I think the first sup's were based off the mals but more so now the shortboard with a dawn out rocker.

so, what makes a hp mal

I guess the same as other HP sup' SB's,width rocker nose and tail shape oh and fin set up



Rear end view,the board on the left is a log flatter rocker,middle board all rounder and the HP on the right more rocker, different tail and nose shape.

I don't think any boards is taking design cues from SUP's.

If you look through the history of board shapes everything being done on a SUP, LB, SB, KB, GB, BB now has at some stage already been done and tried in some context on some paddle craft. What we are seeing now is a re visitation to prior theories that may not have work with previous technologies, combinations or set ups and are now being used and tweaked to achieve what a designer is looking for.

Take for instance a "hull design" been around on boards since the 60's in theory and now people are tweaking it too suit their needs, nothing new just a bit of tweak here and there and some spit and polish, aka "the Job's Theory".

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cRAZY Canuk said...

I don't think any boards is taking design cues from SUP's.

If you look through the history of board shapes everything being done on a SUP, LB, SB, KB, GB, BB now has at some stage already been done and tried in some context on some paddle craft. What we are seeing now is a re visitation to prior theories that may not have work with previous technologies, combinations or set ups and are now being used and tweaked to achieve what a designer is looking for.

Take for instance a "hull design" been around on boards since the 60's in theory and now people are tweaking it too suit their needs, nothing new just a bit of tweak here and there and some spit and polish, aka "the Job's Theory".

yes, understand all that. however most shapers get into sup design talk of enjoying the 'freedom' for shaping subs as it' such a new field.

the question is are they taking some of those new freedom's back to the more established board genes

Changes to SB design is coming from Slater and maybe some others who took 2nd place.

I agree with CC, there is not much new in board design that hasn't been done before (except for these weird shaped longboards) I think there is much more recognition of the different types of designs, have a look at all the McT models for example.

It depends on what you define as an established board genera, pick up this months smorgasboarder (it's free btw) and have a look at the designer profiles and what their doing on shortboards. Take a look at Rabbidges finless boards are they " an established genera" haven't seen that on a SUP yet......

SUP design is evolving due to the fact that it's only recently been exploited on a mass scale. And designers are finding you can't just take something and make it bigger you need to add and take away for the same reason that you can't just take something and make it smaller and expect the same performance. So their using a "standard" idea that has work for them (or someone else) before and then adapting it to suit "the" board not "the" genera because what works on one board won't work on every board in the genera it's associated with.

I also think there's a bit of "hey look at me" to it and taking things that have already existed and giving it a fancy name/marketing hype. SUP is one of the fastest growing markets in surfing at the moment and the mark ups are good so everyone wants a piece of the pie having something that differentiates your product from the pack helps sell it.

I don't think designers are getting into it because there is "freedom" to create new shapes there's always freedom/challenges it's just a matter of stepping out onto the branch.

I'd say design wise SUP has actually been a bit stale lately.

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62mac said...

I guess the same as other HP sup' SB's,width rocker nose and tail shape oh and fin set up



Rear end view,the board on the left is a log flatter rocker,middle board all rounder and the HP on the right more rocker, different tail and nose shape.

niiiiiiiiiiiice mac - droooooool

Pup the board on the left I sold to asea who since flicked ( no idea why ) the middle board is my current FB and the UFO on the right has been replaced with a UFO pintail

Very nice mac , sussing out the homepage right now in another window - going down to byron (after I gatecrash you blokes) when i get over next year , love to see old Bob for real and THE shop.

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cRAZY Canuk said...

I'd say design wise SUP has actually been a bit stale lately.

I wonder if this is because it takes so long for them to get their product to market - it must have been almost a year ago that we started to hear about the PSH Hull Rippers and they have only arrived in the last month or so.

I have not seen to many new shapes in recent times. I tend to agree with CC re borrowing of old design concepts - my Sweet Potatoe has an almost identical outline to an early 80's knee board that a bloke I surf with owns. The only real difference being the maount of concave through the tail area and the fin placement and style (quad). So yes its very similar but its also very different.

If you look at some of the Ke11y shapes they are really just a 7'0" board that has been carved down to a 5'10" leaving the back 2/3rds of the board unchanged.

I donot profess to be a design expert but with my heavier build I like shorter and wider boards as a general rule and I love loads of concave under my feet and through the tail.

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laceys lane said...

hi all. i've noticed that shortboards are getting wider, wider noses and a bit thicker too.

i even know a shortboard shaper who is experimenting with chines/hull at the front of his boards. could ther be a connect there?
tsj from noosa is a premier long board and sup shaper.

just wondering if the crew have seen any changes in mal designs that might have a bit of 'sup' in them.

no i'm not taking the piss. sup shapes are evolving rapidly and maybe those guys shaping sups might be taking somethings back to their mal designs or what?

thx,s

Funny that you start this thread as most SUPs Ive seen have a shortboard or longboard outline. If anything a SUP is a blown up SB imo.

Looking at the new starboard,I'd say its modeled from a Dutch shoe

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BulldogPup said...

62mac said...

I guess the same as other HP sup' SB's,width rocker nose and tail shape oh and fin set up



Rear end view,the board on the left is a log flatter rocker,middle board all rounder and the HP on the right more rocker, different tail and nose shape.

niiiiiiiiiiiice mac - droooooool

What happen Mac, did you run out of wax one day or do you not like the nose?

Wait I figured it out, you didn't want to "defile" the logo

You blokes will get the bash from Simondo talking sup again

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62mac said...

Looking at the new starboard,I'd say its modeled from a Dutch shoe

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Ted the Kiwi said...

cRAZY Canuk said...

I'd say design wise SUP has actually been a bit stale lately.

I wonder if this is because it takes so long for them to get their product to market - it must have been almost a year ago that we started to hear about the PSH Hull Rippers and they have only arrived in the last month or so.

I don't entirely think so, there are still plenty of people that will do a custom and the turn around is 3-4 weeks for the most part and that is where you should see the most creativity/free thinking and for the most part we do in all manner of surf craft.

Production boards are a different monster all together especially if there manufactured OS. With those you might have 5-12 custom made test boards over 4-6 months to define/finalize your shape. Then up to 6 pre manufacture customs where the shape is pretty much locked down for another 3 months or so for the final test, and then 3 months in manufacturing lead times of going over shaping the blank there and getting it just right and then manufacturing and shipping. If your going to make a couple thousand of the same board you want to make sure you get it right.

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towball said...

You blokes will get the bash from Simondo talking sup again

62mac said...

Looking at the new starboard,I'd say its modeled from a Dutch shoe

I thought we where talking design

lets talk fins Lame Lacey

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cRAZY Canuk said...

It depends on what you define as an established board genera, pick up this months smorgasboarder (it's free btw) and have a look at the designer profiles and what their doing on shortboards. Take a look at Rabbidges finless boards are they " an established genera" haven't seen that on a SUP yet......

SUP design is evolving due to the fact that it's only recently been exploited on a mass scale. And designers are finding you can't just take something and make it bigger you need to add and take away for the same reason that you can't just take something and make it smaller and expect the same performance. So their using a "standard" idea that has work for them (or someone else) before and then adapting it to suit "the" board not "the" genera because what works on one board won't work on every board in the genera it's associated with.

I also think there's a bit of "hey look at me" to it and taking things that have already existed and giving it a fancy name/marketing hype. SUP is one of the fastest growing markets in surfing at the moment and the mark ups are good so everyone wants a piece of the pie having something that differentiates your product from the pack helps sell it.

I don't think designers are getting into it because there is "freedom" to create new shapes there's always freedom/challenges it's just a matter of stepping out onto the branch.

I'd say design wise SUP has actually been a bit stale lately.

one of the challenges for sup designers is making a railthat works while it has to have a fair amount of volume so you can still stand on the bugger.

so thats got to be something the shapers could take elsewhere?

I was looking at some SUPS on the weekend, some I liked the rails some I didn't.

There are some rail shapes on some boards by reputable designers the I would slap silly if the tried to put them on and board I owned. I understand the complexity of required rail shapes but I don't think sups will define future rail shapes.

Dinner call finish this in a bit.

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cRAZY Canuk said...

I was looking at some SUPS on the weekend, some I liked the rails some I didn't.

There are some rail shapes on some boards by reputable designers the I would slap silly if the tried to put them on and board I owned. I understand the complexity of required rail shapes but I don't think sups will define future rail shapes.

Dinner call finish this in a bit.

no worries, hey i'm not suggest any major stuff

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laceys lane said...

one of the challenges for sup designers is making a railthat works while it has to have a fair amount of volume so you can still stand on the bugger.

so thats got to be something the shapers could take elsewhere?

Muzza made me a board about 3 years before SUP in Australia. Concave deck, wide nose, step rail. Looks like and would make a great SUP scaled up? As Crazy Canuk said and I agree there's not much being done that hasn't been already.

I was looking at a Harvey the other day from the 80's with the same chine rail as Blane Chambers PSH model.

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laceys lane said...

cRAZY Canuk said...

It depends on what you define as an established board genera, pick up this months smorgasboarder (it's free btw) and have a look at the designer profiles and what their doing on shortboards. Take a look at Rabbidges finless boards are they " an established genera" haven't seen that on a SUP yet......

SUP design is evolving due to the fact that it's only recently been exploited on a mass scale. And designers are finding you can't just take something and make it bigger you need to add and take away for the same reason that you can't just take something and make it smaller and expect the same performance. So their using a "standard" idea that has work for them (or someone else) before and then adapting it to suit "the" board not "the" genera because what works on one board won't work on every board in the genera it's associated with.

I also think there's a bit of "hey look at me" to it and taking things that have already existed and giving it a fancy name/marketing hype. SUP is one of the fastest growing markets in surfing at the moment and the mark ups are good so everyone wants a piece of the pie having something that differentiates your product from the pack helps sell it.

I don't think designers are getting into it because there is "freedom" to create new shapes there's always freedom/challenges it's just a matter of stepping out onto the branch.

I'd say design wise SUP has actually been a bit stale lately.

one of the challenges for sup designers is making a railthat works while it has to have a fair amount of volume so you can still stand on the bugger.

so thats got to be something the shapers could take elsewhere?

LL - have a look at the new cabrinha rails - think you will be pleasantly suprised - just the kinda thing you've been chasing for the past coupla years.