Anyone know what this means? ?

buying more boards than the office of war and finance permit.

usually a box single fin and two small side bites....originally a term coined by Dave Parameter

http://nowtro.com/flv_portfolio/widowmaker/



The original Widow-maker I shaped in 1988 for an extended surfari to Jeffrey’s Bay. On previous trips there I had been unhappy with my tri-fins, as they simply wouldn’t allow me to ride that most epic of down-the-line waves with the tracks I wanted to follow left by Terry Fitzgerald, Jonathan Paarman, and Reno Abellira from single-fin days. The 6’9” I shaped and took to South Africa altered all my convictions about surfboards and forced me to realize that I was essentially a single-fin surfer at heart. The 6’9” was a wickedly pintailed rocket with a wider and thicker nose, a widepoint placed well forward of center, channels running off the tail, and for an engine a classic Brewer-style single fin set off by a pair of small finlets glassed beside it on each rail. These small side fins give the board a slight tri-fin turning axis and bite off the top at high speeds, but grant versatile single-fin neutrality off the bottom, allowing you to surf the wave rather than the board – with jazz-like riffs and sudden pit-stalls if necessary.The Widow-maker is more than just a turbo-boosted single-fin. It’s a design that lets you go fast when you want; and stop dead in your tracks if the wave calls for it. It allows you to use the entire wave face in complete control, without having to go through the classic tri-fin triple pump wind-up every time you want to do a maneuver.For guns the Widow-maker delivers all the benefits of a single-fin – lower drag, no high-speed max-outs, meaningful bottom turns and greater control in the barrel – yet with the low profile small Widow-maker side fins there’s still always that subtle snap and bite in top turns and cutbacks. The Widow-maker fin configuration adapts well to most designs, but especially big-wave guns and single-fin shapes over 6’5”.And by the way,

the Widow-maker is named after the classic Winchester repeating rifle, the firearm that won the West….

Neil Puchase Junior and Andrew Kidman were all over these in the early 2000's.

The awesome film Glass Love has something on them I seem to recall.

I'm stretching the memory but the Cambell Brothers may have instigated the boards originally (I may be wrong but they come to mind).

So what's the diff between 2+1 setup and widow maker?

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McHenry said...
So what's the diff between 2+1 setup and widow maker?

I think it's to do with where the back fins are. Rough description is closer to the fin box, further back on the board towards the tail then a normal 2+1.

Have a look at the website of Tuxs' post. It was more to do with the board then just the fins.

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Tux said..


the Widow-maker is named after the classic Winchester repeating rifle, the firearm that won the West….

Tux i went looking for info after reading that post,i had a different view about that gun. i always knew the winchester repeating rifle
won the west,,,,but the widow maker was a shotgun.
i also found your quoted material and they have it wrong.

the widow maker won nothing

it got called the widow maker for killing its owners,not indians

BTW it still don't make sense that fin combo being called widow maker.
to me that term means to hurt you with no warning.,,like tree limbs over tents.


Wiki about the gun.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1911

Design and safety flaws
The novel method of charging the 1911 could be potentially lethal if done incorrectly. Shotgun cartridges of the time were often made of paper, which could make the cartridge body vulnerable to expansion when exposed to moisture in large quantities. If this happened in the 1911, the barrel would have to be cycled in order to open the chamber so that the swelled shotgun shell could be removed. Some users mistakenly cycled the barrel by placing the butt of the weapon against the ground and forcing the barrel down. In this position, the muzzle of the weapon would be pointing towards the face of the user, and the swelled shell could fire, injuring or killing the user. This safety issue led to the Model 1911 being nicknamed "the Widowmaker".[4] This situation could be avoided with adherence to safety procedures common to handling firearms, in particular, the practice of keeping the weapon pointed in a safe direction at all times.The potential for slam fire when clearing jams was not the only flaw in the 1911's design. The system of buffer rings used to reduce the recoil (two fiber washers[5]) when the weapon was fired often failed. The breakdown of these rings greatly increased the recoil when a round was fired. The gun's "hammering recoil" caused many a stock to split.[3]The sales of the "mechanically ill-fated" weapon lagged significantly behind those of Remington's and Browning's autoloaders,[3] and Winchester ceased its production in 1925, after producing almost 83,000 of them.[2] As recently as 2005, four people accidentally shot themselves with the 1911 while loading or clearing the weapon.[6]

2 + 1 with two small sidebites set with their trailing edges in line with the front of the bigger centre fin. Or the outcome if I buy any more surfboards.

Thanks DB. Exactly what i was looking for.

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Cobra said..

Tux said..


the Widow-maker is named after the classic Winchester repeating rifle, the firearm that won the West….

Tux i went looking for info after reading that post,i had a different view about that gun. i always knew the winchester repeating rifle
won the west,,,,but the widow maker was a shotgun.
i also found your quoted material and they have it wrong.

the widow maker won nothing

it got called the widow maker for killing its owners,not indians

BTW it still don't make sense that fin combo being called widow maker.
to me that term means to hurt you with no warning.,,like tree limbs over tents.


Wiki about the gun.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1911

Design and safety flaws
The novel method of charging the 1911 could be potentially lethal if done incorrectly. Shotgun cartridges of the time were often made of paper, which could make the cartridge body vulnerable to expansion when exposed to moisture in large quantities. If this happened in the 1911, the barrel would have to be cycled in order to open the chamber so that the swelled shotgun shell could be removed. Some users mistakenly cycled the barrel by placing the butt of the weapon against the ground and forcing the barrel down. In this position, the muzzle of the weapon would be pointing towards the face of the user, and the swelled shell could fire, injuring or killing the user. This safety issue led to the Model 1911 being nicknamed "the Widowmaker".[4] This situation could be avoided with adherence to safety procedures common to handling firearms, in particular, the practice of keeping the weapon pointed in a safe direction at all times.The potential for slam fire when clearing jams was not the only flaw in the 1911's design. The system of buffer rings used to reduce the recoil (two fiber washers[5]) when the weapon was fired often failed. The breakdown of these rings greatly increased the recoil when a round was fired. The gun's "hammering recoil" caused many a stock to split.[3]The sales of the "mechanically ill-fated" weapon lagged significantly behind those of Remington's and Browning's autoloaders,[3] and Winchester ceased its production in 1925, after producing almost 83,000 of them.[2] As recently as 2005, four people accidentally shot themselves with the 1911 while loading or clearing the weapon.[6]

I always thought it was a 2+1 set up to be surfed in crazy big waves that will kill you....hence the widow maker name of the whole board

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chrispy said..
I always thought it was a 2+1 set up to be surfed in crazy big waves that will kill you....hence the widow maker name of the whole board

So are the waves the widow makers or the fins.
i still can't figure what the gun got to do with it.
I'm confused now.

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DaveBasher said...
2 + 1 with two small sidebites set with their trailing edges in line with the front of the bigger centre fin. Or the outcome if I buy any more surfboards.

I think this is the correct answer. I think its the placement

nealpurchasedesigns.blogspot.com/2011/06/21fun_05.html

forum.realsurf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17026

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Cobra said..

chrispy said..
I always thought it was a 2+1 set up to be surfed in crazy big waves that will kill you....hence the widow maker name of the whole board

So are the waves the widow makers or the fins.
i still can't figure what the gun got to do with it.
I'm confused now.

I think thats just Dave Parameter talking shizzle...he is a part time jounalist after all

thanks Tux i couldn't sleep all night

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Tux said..

Cobra said..

chrispy said..
I always thought it was a 2+1 set up to be surfed in crazy big waves that will kill you....hence the widow maker name of the whole board

So are the waves the widow makers or the fins.
i still can't figure what the gun got to do with it.
I'm confused now.

I think thats just Dave Parameter talking shizzle...he is a part time jounalist after all

He certainly talks his fair share of shizzle.
He also has an interesting take on 666 (from http://www.coastalwatch.com/surfing/11971/interview-dave-parmenter-on-making-boards-and-other-things)

Can you tell about your involvement in the development of the SUP? What it was originally created for? And how do you feel about it being used in the line-up nowadays?
"What is now known as SUP was intended by Brian and I to escape crowds and move into uncontested realms further afield ... it is obvious that human nature being what it is, there are quite a few imbeciles abusing them just as they did modern longboards and leashes when they appeared.

"Just as dynamite and aviation were meant to benefit mankind, they all too often ended up being the tools of evil, and I find myself at present in the position of Charles Lindbergh, who spent most of his life championing aviation but who at the end of his life turned his back on it, as he was disenchanted at how the airplane had wrought so much destruction through the turmoil of the 20th Century.

"I have always made it clear that nobody should be using SUP surfboards at any break with a history of use as a conventional surfing spot."

yep he talks sh!t..he didn't mind surfing sunset on one,,,i think he's disenchanted because the young blokes smash his arse.

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Cobra said...

chrispy said..
I always thought it was a 2+1 set up to be surfed in crazy big waves that will kill you....hence the widow maker name of the whole board

So are the waves the widow makers or the fins.
i still can't figure what the gun got to do with it.
I'm confused now.

Your wife will become a surf widow if you buy one...