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Webber wave pool another step closer???

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Horto11
Horto11

202 posts

29 Jul 2014 12:28pm
http://www.swellnet.com/news/surfpolitik/2014/07/29/sunshine-coast-house-worlds-first-webber-wavepool

Wonder whether the wave is friendly for longboards
Horto11
Horto11

202 posts

29 Jul 2014 12:29pm
Everyone will have their own views of the merits but it should be worth giving it a try at least once haha
E T
E T

E T

QLD

2286 posts

29 Jul 2014 3:17pm
Yep it appears so.

Front page and page 7 big article in todays Sunshine Coast Daily.

It seems that it is the same company that owns wave pools in several other countries. There will be on site accommodation, mega carparking and the wave pool is said to have 4 waves that are variable by a series of booms.

This sort of thing has been proposed before and never got off the ground up here.

Wait and see if this one does.

ET.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

29 Jul 2014 5:46pm
Big Ted is excited

I know we have heard it all before about these wave parks etc and its almost getting boring. But if they finally do get a decent one up and running i reckon its going to be unreal. Once the proof of concept is working properly then its going to be insane. I for one will be visiting the Sunshine Coast to play in it so look out

Nothing will be beat the joy of ocean surfing for me - but being able to get into a controlled environment and work on technique flaws and learn new skills will be insane. It will be great for our surfing I believe. I really hope that they get it to work and that the money actually comes through for it this time.
Horto11
Horto11

202 posts

29 Jul 2014 7:15pm
Reading a bit more it is at the stage if the developer making an development application to council.....so a few hoops to jump thru yet but at the same time a lot if work to get to this point
chrispy
chrispy

WA

9675 posts

29 Jul 2014 8:11pm
It will happen and i.can't wait to.surf it
KS seems to be a bit slow on his. Does anybody know what's happening with his one?
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

30 Jul 2014 11:30am
plenty of waves, accommodation , mega car parks, open all night, crowds queuing for a wave ...its already here

its called the gold coast
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

30 Jul 2014 11:36am
The Titans will fold and Cbus Super stadium will not have a tenant so the wave park is going in there.

Warning 666 but looks the goods.


www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Went-to-Wadi-Vid/
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

30 Jul 2014 11:47am
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Macaha said..
The Titans will fold and Cbus Super stadium will not have a tenant so the wave park is going in there.

Warning 666 but looks the goods.


www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Went-to-Wadi-Vid/


$400 for a private surf Hahahahahahahahaha…. my private surfs cost zero.
thePup
thePup

13831 posts

30 Jul 2014 11:42am
WTF farking 400 hunny get stuffed I aint paying that
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

30 Jul 2014 1:54pm
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thePup said..
WTF farking 400 hunny get stuffed I aint paying that



spot on Pup
look its all fine for the crew in built up areas that have way to many peeps in the surf.
and fine for the peeps that can drive down the road to have a go, if they want to spend that much $$$ for a solo surf Hahaha
but are peeps going to drive from the sunny coast or northern NSW for a $400 surf..i think not
its not like they are head hi almond shaped pits.
E T
E T

E T

QLD

2286 posts

30 Jul 2014 2:19pm
Another big article on page 7 of the Sunshine Coast Daily today.

They are quoting the construction price at $90 mill and that it will be built in 2 stages and feature a wave pool with 4 peaks and all the other water park gear. I guess like Wet and Wild on the Goldy.

There will a Resort Hotel as well. They have stated, today, that Webber is involved and is in the process of signing up ther final design.

I reckon Big Will and Jas will benefit the most as it is just down the road from their place. No reports of admission cost in the paper as yet. They probably don't want to scare the locals off if it is $400.

ET.
MickPC
MickPC

8266 posts

30 Jul 2014 12:56pm
Its always been a childhood dream to have a go in a wavepool, but I wouldn't pay more than $10 a wave. Even then I'd only have the one go to tick it off the "to do" list.
jasdeking
jasdeking

QLD

1820 posts

30 Jul 2014 3:04pm
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E T said..
Another big article on page 7 of the Sunshine Coast Daily today.

They are quoting the construction price at $90 mill and that it will be built in 2 stages and feature a wave pool with 4 peaks and all the other water park gear. I guess like Wet and Wild on the Goldy.

There will a Resort Hotel as well. They have stated, today, that Webber is involved and is in the process of signing up ther final design.

I reckon Big Will and Jas will benefit the most as it is just down the road from their place. No reports of admission cost in the paper as yet. They probably don't want to scare the locals off if it is $400.

ET.


literally 10 mins if they get this off the ground.

wait ...et... you been folliowing me again bro
Simondo
Simondo

VIC

8024 posts

30 Jul 2014 6:15pm
Could/would be fun!!

But I think you could become slightly bored with the "mechanical sameness"... Even if they mix up the wave height/strength like they say, there would still be a "sameness" about it... A real wave, on a real Point Break can vary, twist, bend, contort down the line... Even "grow"... You know how people will talk about "growers" at certain locations...

Also, a bit "HAT OFFS" to all those willing to give it a crack! It takes many commited people to pull-off something like this!
Horto11
Horto11

202 posts

30 Jul 2014 4:20pm
Raises the question of what is surfers' willingness to pay for a chlorine smelling wave that has a machine driven consistency and can be dialled up to different sizes both rights and lefts ???

I would probably burn 10-15 bucks in petrol each time I go for a surf.
It costs thousands of dollars to go overseas for a week or two of waves that may or may not stack up.....
30 to 40 bucks to stuff yourself all day on the same wave to work on technique etc would be a good price I reckon ...... If not too many ppl are allowed in at once......
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

30 Jul 2014 6:52pm
probably the same people that would like wave pools, would like shopping centres

i have a 300m walk to a beach. WHEN the surf is on,i have it all to myself ..sorry i do share it… with dolphins, turtles, rays.
it cost me nothing

but it is priceless
laceys lane
laceys lane

QLD

19804 posts

30 Jul 2014 7:06pm
The lineup will be interesting. Ever surfed for an hour a the superbank to get two waves. That's never fun.

Roll up then wait for a hour for a go.


Just how many surfers can use it at one time
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

30 Jul 2014 7:11pm
You lot are just jealous those 666 guys have got in first
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

30 Jul 2014 7:25pm
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Macaha said..
You lot are just jealous those 666 guys have got in first


i can hear chrispy now. chrispy paying $400 for a 666 to drop in Bhahahaha
Ashmullet
Ashmullet

NSW

282 posts

30 Jul 2014 7:42pm
400 bucks bloody hell I could make $400 last a month in indo

disclaimer (only if I stay away from kutas naughty nightlife)
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

30 Jul 2014 7:47pm
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Ashmullet said..
400 bucks bloody hell I could make $400 last a month in indo

disclaimer (only if I stay away from kutas naughty nightlife)


Gold
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

30 Jul 2014 9:08pm
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laceys lane said..
The lineup will be interesting. Ever surfed for an hour a the superbank to get two waves. That's never fun.

Roll up then wait for a hour for a go.


Just how many surfers can use it at one time







It will be regulated.

As an example consider this for the top draw pool:

Imagine you will get 10 - 12 waves over an hour - maybe one every five minutes. This gives you time to exit the pool and walk back to the jump off area. If there is a 15 second period between waves - then thats 4 waves a minute and 240 an hour or enough for 20 people to get their quota.

Perhaps they are open for coaching sessions early in the morning and from 10am to 10pm its all action.
12 hours - assume 60% capacity - thats 144 people

Now lets assume customers pay $30 for their hour of pleasure - thats $4,320 a day or $1.4mil a year over 330 days.

Now even if we multiply this number by 4 (4 pools) then its nowhere near enough to cover financing let alone provide a decent return for the investors. Even if we assume 80% capacity over 12 hrs it jumps to $1.9m per pool which is still far to little. If we drop the wave period to 10 seconds we jump to $2.8m

Beverages, food and surfboard mark ups will be huge. Coaching should add a few bucks a day as well. But we still have HUGE power costs and employee numbers to support.

I can not see how the cost of a surf will not be significantly more than $30 a session. Just saying.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

30 Jul 2014 9:17pm
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Ashmullet said..
400 bucks bloody hell I could make $400 last a month in indo

disclaimer (only if I stay away from kutas naughty nightlife)



From memory on my first trip in 1995 I averaged $9 AUD a day over 2 months - sharing a room and the rent of a vehicle with 2 mates - we lived like Kings! We went to the Sari club just a few times I think we used to pay $4 for food and accom at Bingin - in a losman in the trees half way between Impossibiles and Bingin. What a time that was. I always walked into Ulu's down the track - was too tight to even pay for a ride on the back of a bike !! The Chanagu lineup was empty as was Desserts

As a benchmark indicator - when I spent 10.5 mths in South America in 2004/5 I spent $40 AUD a day and lived like a farrrrrking king. Inflation sucks.

As a further indicator 10 yrs later - I had to have a few beers in Sydney the other night and I was paying $9 for a beer ! Ahhhh. Sporties up the road has $3 Schooies on Saturday's !!

Hard to believe that as a fresh faced fella just out of Uni who was paying $9 for a day of living in this weird place that 20 yrs later I would be happy to spend 6 times that on 6 beers and lets not even get to the food or accom bill in the big city. Indo still rocks. Back again in a few weeks and I can not wait
weiry
weiry

QLD

5396 posts

30 Jul 2014 9:18pm
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Ted the Kiwi said..

laceys lane said..
The lineup will be interesting. Ever surfed for an hour a the superbank to get two waves. That's never fun.

Roll up then wait for a hour for a go.


Just how many surfers can use it at one time








It will be regulated.

As an example consider this for the top draw pool:

Imagine you will get 10 - 12 waves over an hour - maybe one every five minutes. This gives you time to exit the pool and walk back to the jump off area. If there is a 15 second period between waves - then thats 4 waves a minute and 240 an hour or enough for 20 people to get their quota.

Perhaps they are open for coaching sessions early in the morning and from 10am to 10pm its all action.
12 hours - assume 60% capacity - thats 144 people

Now lets assume customers pay $30 for their hour of pleasure - thats $4,320 a day or $1.4mil a year over 330 days.

Now even if we multiply this number by 4 (4 pools) then its nowhere near enough to cover financing let alone provide a decent return for the investors. Even if we assume 80% capacity over 12 hrs it jumps to $1.9m per pool which is still far to little. If we drop the wave period to 10 seconds we jump to $2.8m

Beverages, food and surfboard mark ups will be huge. Coaching should add a few bucks a day as well. But we still have HUGE power costs and employee numbers to support.

I can not see how the cost of a surf will not be significantly more than $30 a session. Just saying.


he is good simondo
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

30 Jul 2014 7:22pm
^^ Tedenomics
MickPC
MickPC

8266 posts

30 Jul 2014 11:51pm
Yeah it would easily be more than $30 an hour. Even the little flowrider's in Bangkok & Phuket cost more than that during their happy hours. Personally I think $100 - $120 per hour is what I would be prepared to pay. But I think they could ask $150-$180 & still get plenty of business initially. However I think they would be struggling to sustain repeat business at anything over $150 an hour.
Ashmullet
Ashmullet

NSW

282 posts

31 Jul 2014 6:46am
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Ted the Kiwi said..

Ashmullet said..
400 bucks bloody hell I could make $400 last a month in indo

disclaimer (only if I stay away from kutas naughty nightlife)




From memory on my first trip in 1995 I averaged $9 AUD a day over 2 months - sharing a room and the rent of a vehicle with 2 mates - we lived like Kings! We went to the Sari club just a few times I think we used to pay $4 for food and accom at Bingin - in a losman in the trees half way between Impossibiles and Bingin. What a time that was. I always walked into Ulu's down the track - was too tight to even pay for a ride on the back of a bike !! The Chanagu lineup was empty as was Desserts

As a benchmark indicator - when I spent 10.5 mths in South America in 2004/5 I spent $40 AUD a day and lived like a farrrrrking king. Inflation sucks.

As a further indicator 10 yrs later - I had to have a few beers in Sydney the other night and I was paying $9 for a beer ! Ahhhh. Sporties up the road has $3 Schooies on Saturday's !!

Hard to believe that as a fresh faced fella just out of Uni who was paying $9 for a day of living in this weird place that 20 yrs later I would be happy to spend 6 times that on 6 beers and lets not even get to the food or accom bill in the big city. Indo still rocks. Back again in a few weeks and I can not wait


Love it ted, I spent a month in Sumatra jus ridding around looking for waves never had any dramas my budget was rp 100 000 a day lived like a king all day in the water asleep by 7pm the good life!
is there any info on where they will get there water from for this project and how it will be treated and maintained for people to surf in,in todays enviro and economic climate although it falls from the sky for free water ain't cheap?.
E T
E T

E T

QLD

2286 posts

31 Jul 2014 8:14am
It has taken this dopey bugger a little while to work out where you got the $400 figure from.

In my opinion very expensive. What I find more amazing is where did the said 18 year old get the dosh from to treat himself like a king.

ET.


Jradedmondo
Jradedmondo

NSW

637 posts

31 Jul 2014 9:17am
400 bucks for an hour in a wave pool by yourself is not to bad, would probably do it once, don't think i would do it twice though, would be interesting when prices for this pool come out to see how it stacks up

Jarryd
MickPC
MickPC

8266 posts

31 Jul 2014 2:53pm
I think they should package it up nicely to make it more attractive. Like $500 a night at the resort, free dinner/brekky & 1hr in the wavepool.
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