Options to deal with sharks;

Allow Fishing
Drum Lines
Nets
Harpoons
Dynamite
Torpeados

Continue to discuss and debate is NOT an option!!

FFS PEOPLE are getting hurt and killed

"but it's in their environment" bla bla bla.
I hate these shark threads where everybody is a farkin genius.
My take on the shark issue is nobody gives a stuff about my take as I know nothing. Just like everybody else.
Bla bla bla

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NewScotty said..
"but it's in their environment" bla bla bla.
I hate these shark threads where everybody is a farkin genius.
My take on the shark issue is nobody gives a stuff about my take as I know nothing. Just like everybody else.
Bla bla bla

Scotty mate - my take is get the dinner plates out , call the mates to bring icy cold beer with them , get the girl into the kitchen to whip up some Beer Batter , get the Salt & Vinegar bottles pumped ...... Fish & Chips is on the Menu .... bla bla bling

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laceys lane said..
The culling question is an interesting one.
Many seabreeze experts say it wont work.

if thats the case why do they need to protect gws.

Where culling methods decades ago more effective

Culling is a thinning of numbers of a unwanted species. NSW and QLD have been culling for decades. Culling down the numbers of sharks that swim up and down the entire length of the Eastern seaboard.
Catch records show since the early days numbers have dramatically reduced, as the number of the culled species have dropped in numbers.

So to argue that culling works that would mean attacks on the Eastern seaboard would be reducing in frequency.. Well thats not whats happening IMHO..

SO clearly its not working, but at the same time some species have now become so low in numbers there are bordering on being wiped out anyway.. You tell me why would anyone clearly support culling to create water safety..

Clearly it was working because they had to protect gws .

Not talking nets/drums.

We are talking about the hunting of gw which apparently dropped their numbers down to low or was that a lie too.

Just because im talking about the culling /hunting for gws back in the day doesnt mean I support or yearned for the free for all culling.

You assume way to much

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laceys lane said..
Clearly it was working because they had to protect gws .

Not talking nets/drums.

We are talking about the hunting of gw which apparently dropped their numbers down to low or was that a lie too.

Just because im talking about the culling /hunting for gws back in the day doesnt mean I support or yearned for the free for all culling.

You assume way to much

When you say it was working, they haven't stopped. Catch figures still show a decline every year so the idea ( I assume) your getting as is since protection they have had a huge population growth. Maybe they have got smarter and don't swim into nets and eats drum lines baits. Either way why keep doing something that has now proven not to be working..

You can debate it all you like but attacks have increased during their cull regime. Having said that i don't expect you to see it any differently than you currently do, just point out the obvious, culls don't work to provide better water safety.

When I have time I will post what has been said to me by long time professional fishos.

Jb,what has happened which is fact,is that attacks have increased since the protection of the GWS

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thePup said...

NewScotty said..
"but it's in their environment" bla bla bla.
I hate these shark threads where everybody is a farkin genius.
My take on the shark issue is nobody gives a stuff about my take as I know nothing. Just like everybody else.
Bla bla bla

Scotty mate - my take is get the dinner plates out , call the mates to bring icy cold beer with them , get the girl into the kitchen to whip up some Beer Batter , get the Salt & Vinegar bottles pumped ...... Fish & Chips is on the Menu .... bla bla bling

And get a ripe juicy mango up ya as well

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chrispy said..
When I have time I will post what has been said to me by long time professional fishos.

Jb,what has happened which is fact,is that attacks have increased since the protection of the GWS

of course they have.

jb the fishing or catching or killing of gws was against the law years ago.


thats what I was talking about NOT NETS AND DRUM LINES as I have mentioned now for the 3 RD time.


now you are saying in that time of hunting and fishing and killing of gws we had more attacks !!!!!!!!!!


UPDATE- there is a sh1t load of attacks happening NOW

ps I think most gws are too smart for nets.



my position is


menacing/ pest sharking put down.

shark responsible for an attack if identified put down.

that's not a cull imo. that just control sharks who have learnt a habit

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jbshack said...

laceys lane said..
The culling question is an interesting one.
Many seabreeze experts say it wont work.

if thats the case why do they need to protect gws.

Where culling methods decades ago more effective

Culling is a thinning of numbers of a unwanted species. NSW and QLD have been culling for decades. Culling down the numbers of sharks that swim up and down the entire length of the Eastern seaboard.
Catch records show since the early days numbers have dramatically reduced, as the number of the culled species have dropped in numbers.

So to argue that culling works that would mean attacks on the Eastern seaboard would be reducing in frequency.. Well thats not whats happening IMHO..

SO clearly its not working, but at the same time some species have now become so low in numbers there are bordering on being wiped out anyway.. You tell me why would anyone clearly support culling to create water safety..

I take your point JB and btw you seem to cop a shiiiiiiitload of redthumbs for your opinions.
I just wonder if we start culling and the attacks still occur then what.

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laceys lane said...

chrispy said..
When I have time I will post what has been said to me by long time professional fishos.

Jb,what has happened which is fact,is that attacks have increased since the protection of the GWS

of course they have.

jb the fishing or catching or killing of gws was against the law years ago.


thats what I was talking about NOT NETS AND DRUM LINES as I have mentioned now for the 3 RD time.


now you are saying in that time of hunting and fishing and killing of gws we had more attacks !!!!!!!!!!


UPDATE- there is a sh1t load of attacks happening NOW

ps I think most gws are too smart for nets.

We have nets at our local and they reckon the net catches more Sharks heading out from the beach not coming in doh

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NewScotty said..

laceys lane said...

chrispy said..
When I have time I will post what has been said to me by long time professional fishos.

Jb,what has happened which is fact,is that attacks have increased since the protection of the GWS

of course they have.

jb the fishing or catching or killing of gws was against the law years ago.


thats what I was talking about NOT NETS AND DRUM LINES as I have mentioned now for the 3 RD time.


now you are saying in that time of hunting and fishing and killing of gws we had more attacks !!!!!!!!!!


UPDATE- there is a sh1t load of attacks happening NOW

ps I think most gws are too smart for nets.

We have nets at our local and they the net catches more Sharks heading out from the beach not coming in doh

maybe the sharks do go in and out,,till they get caught.

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NewScotty said..

jbshack said...

laceys lane said..
The culling question is an interesting one.
Many seabreeze experts say it wont work.

if thats the case why do they need to protect gws.

Where culling methods decades ago more effective

Culling is a thinning of numbers of a unwanted species. NSW and QLD have been culling for decades. Culling down the numbers of sharks that swim up and down the entire length of the Eastern seaboard.
Catch records show since the early days numbers have dramatically reduced, as the number of the culled species have dropped in numbers.

So to argue that culling works that would mean attacks on the Eastern seaboard would be reducing in frequency.. Well thats not whats happening IMHO..

SO clearly its not working, but at the same time some species have now become so low in numbers there are bordering on being wiped out anyway.. You tell me why would anyone clearly support culling to create water safety..

I take your point JB and btw you seem to cop a shiiiiiiitload of redthumbs for your opinions.
I just wonder if we start culling and the attacks still occur then what.

Thanks Scotty but for me (It seems obvious) but thats what has been happening in NSW.. NSW has been culling for decades and attacks have still increased, the argument its to do with the fact that Great Whites have been protected i find too hard to swallow because firstly, great whites are still killed daily in the waters of the Eastern seaboard. By catch is still a very real issue couple that together with the cull, they are still getting waked. Secondly and most importantly IF the recent attacks are due to a increase in population from over a few decades of attacks WHY did the attacks explode this year, and why in just that region Also why did WA have a explosion of attacks and then it has all gone quiet again That last question surely is enough to make people think more about the argument of population explosion. That along with people like the CSIRO saying numbers are still dangerously low. I saw a report today saying that South Africa population of great whites is in dire danger of complete collapse.

Who do we believe, the people with vested interests or the professionals.

Culling great whites and tigers scares me because then Bull sharks will move into those regions. Ask me again about culling Bull sharks and i may be more persuaded.. Reunion is a prime example of what scares me.. That came about from culling..

Setting nets is not culling.... Culling is when you specifically target a specie a and that is not happening ffs.

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laceys lane said..

chrispy said..
When I have time I will post what has been said to me by long time professional fishos.

Jb,what has happened which is fact,is that attacks have increased since the protection of the GWS

of course they have.

jb the fishing or catching or killing of gws was against the law years ago.


thats what I was talking about NOT NETS AND DRUM LINES as I have mentioned now for the 3 RD time.


now you are saying in that time of hunting and fishing and killing of gws we had more attacks !!!!!!!!!!


UPDATE- there is a sh1t load of attacks happening NOW

ps I think most gws are too smart for nets.



my position is


menacing/ pest sharking put down.

shark responsible for an attack if identified put down.

that's not a cull imo. that just control sharks who have learnt a habit

I don't know so ill ask in case you know, what was the law in regards to catching great whites before the protection levels were introduced Was there bag limits or size limits

I might do some digging as it would be interesting to know. Also i will add Great whites are still killed, its just that now if people get caught they get fined thousands of dollars so often its kept quiet. Commercial fisherman will still catch them as by catch, just no active fishing for them directly..

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jbshack said..

laceys lane said..

chrispy said..
When I have time I will post what has been said to me by long time professional fishos.

Jb,what has happened which is fact,is that attacks have increased since the protection of the GWS

of course they have.

jb the fishing or catching or killing of gws was against the law years ago.


thats what I was talking about NOT NETS AND DRUM LINES as I have mentioned now for the 3 RD time.


now you are saying in that time of hunting and fishing and killing of gws we had more attacks !!!!!!!!!!


UPDATE- there is a sh1t load of attacks happening NOW

ps I think most gws are too smart for nets.



my position is


menacing/ pest sharking put down.

shark responsible for an attack if identified put down.

that's not a cull imo. that just control sharks who have learnt a habit

I don't know so ill ask in case you know, what was the law in regards to catching great whites before the protection levels were introduced Was there bag limits or size limits

I might do some digging as it would be interesting to know. Also i will add Great whites are still killed, its just that now if people get caught they get fined thousands of dollars so often its kept quiet. Commercial fisherman will still catch them as by catch, just no active fishing for them directly..

yeah. you would be right there for sure

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chrispy said..
Setting nets is not culling.... Culling is when you specifotarget a specie. That is not happening ffs.

I don't want to upset your night but honestly what do you think the nets are for then.. They are sold by the government/fisheries as a method of culling sharks They are not an enclosure, they set to entangle and drown any shark, (or anything for that matter) that swims into them.. People are employed to go out and remove the bodies from the nets..

What do you think they are for if not to cull

Correct.... But it is not to target one specie as you suggest. They are a deterrent, sharks as you know are a smart bunch and do learn.

Hey I will leave all my posts for some fun tonight.

But I do have some knowledge from people who have been in the ocean for 50 plus years.

You are not completely wrong in what you say,but you are far from correct with your so called findings.

After a surf and no beers tomorrow and I'm all yours big boy

so are the nets to stop or to catch



its a tough one for me personally.

but I sure feel safer in qld . less incidents for sure.

some of those places being affected are just down the road over the border.

has to be more than just good luck.

northern nsw surfers voting with their feet too. crossing the border

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laceys lane said..
so are the nets to stop or to catch



its a tough one for me personally.

but I sure feel safer in qld . less incidents for sure.

some of those places being affected are just down the road over the border.

has to be more than just good luck.

northern nsw surfers voting with their feet too. crossing the border

This link has some info from the NSW fisheries page.

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/208319/FR24-shark-meshing.pdf



The shark meshing program is a fishing activity involving the placement of nets off beaches and other waters to protect the public from sharks. Shark meshing on Sydney beaches began in 1937 to reduce the numbers of sharks and thereby reduce the risk of shark attacks. Originally beaches from Palm Beach to Cronulla were meshed. In 1949 beaches in Wollongong and Newcastle were added, with Central Coast beaches added in 1987. Today a total of 49 beaches covering approximately 200 km of coastline are meshed.



It is what it is, a cull..

Laceys a guy I surf with some marine scientist fella. His little take on it(straight up he tells us it is a opinion, and data is all being put together.which does take years once it starts)

He explained to us kooks about. The nemo water path. Well the next water path has come closer this year and has pushed more cold water to the coast. Which the toothy peeps like.

Form qld to the Tweed the water will really drop in temp, only one degree can make a difference.

He also.agrees with what the trawler peeps are saying.

Damn I'm did it again

Sharks are the kings of the sea,not many ours hunt them,I think we are doing the correct thing by noting a few to help balance the oceans circle of life.
If humans kill/murder we hunt and lock them away so they don't repeat the killing.

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jbshack said..

laceys lane said..
so are the nets to stop or to catch



its a tough one for me personally.

but I sure feel safer in qld . less incidents for sure.

some of those places being affected are just down the road over the border.

has to be more than just good luck.

northern nsw surfers voting with their feet too. crossing the border

This link has some info from the NSW fisheries page.

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/208319/FR24-shark-meshing.pdf



The shark meshing program is a fishing activity involving the placement of nets off beaches and other waters to protect the public from sharks. Shark meshing on Sydney beaches began in 1937 to reduce the numbers of sharks and thereby reduce the risk of shark attacks. Originally beaches from Palm Beach to Cronulla were meshed. In 1949 beaches in Wollongong and Newcastle were added, with Central Coast beaches added in 1987. Today a total of 49 beaches covering approximately 200 km of coastline are meshed.



It is what it is, a cull..

that report is bias and opinionated and factual

im quiet surprised to be honest.

I would have been more impressed if they weren't bias and opinionated.

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chrispy said..
Laceys a guy I surf with some marine scientist fella. His little take on it(straight up he tells us it is a opinion, and data is all being put together.which does take years once it starts)

He explained to us kooks about. The nemo water path. Well the next water path has come closer this year and has pushed more cold water to the coast. Which the toothy peeps like.

Form qld to the Tweed the water will really drop in temp, only one degree can make a difference.

He also.agrees with what the trawler peeps are saying.

Damn I'm did it again

please go on. understanding

well tomorrow go on

some one making sense instead of calling everyone stupid.

well he's probably right

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jbshack said...

NewScotty said..

jbshack said...

laceys lane said..
The culling question is an interesting one.
Many seabreeze experts say it wont work.

if thats the case why do they need to protect gws.

Where culling methods decades ago more effective

Culling is a thinning of numbers of a unwanted species. NSW and QLD have been culling for decades. Culling down the numbers of sharks that swim up and down the entire length of the Eastern seaboard.
Catch records show since the early days numbers have dramatically reduced, as the number of the culled species have dropped in numbers.

So to argue that culling works that would mean attacks on the Eastern seaboard would be reducing in frequency.. Well thats not whats happening IMHO..

SO clearly its not working, but at the same time some species have now become so low in numbers there are bordering on being wiped out anyway.. You tell me why would anyone clearly support culling to create water safety..

I take your point JB and btw you seem to cop a shiiiiiiitload of redthumbs for your opinions.
I just wonder if we start culling and the attacks still occur then what.

Thanks Scotty but for me (It seems obvious) but thats what has been happening in NSW.. NSW has been culling for decades and attacks have still increased, the argument its to do with the fact that Great Whites have been protected i find too hard to swallow because firstly, great whites are still killed daily in the waters of the Eastern seaboard. By catch is still a very real issue couple that together with the cull, they are still getting waked. Secondly and most importantly IF the recent attacks are due to a increase in population from over a few decades of attacks WHY did the attacks explode this year, and why in just that region Also why did WA have a explosion of attacks and then it has all gone quiet again That last question surely is enough to make people think more about the argument of population explosion. That along with people like the CSIRO saying numbers are still dangerously low. I saw a report today saying that South Africa population of great whites is in dire danger of complete collapse.

Who do we believe, the people with vested interests or the professionals.

Culling great whites and tigers scares me because then Bull sharks will move into those regions. Ask me again about culling Bull sharks and i may be more persuaded.. Reunion is a prime example of what scares me.. That came about from culling..

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The only thing good about this thread is newscottys avatar

Water currents,whale population growth,protected for twenty years so on and so forth........
We are training them

We are training them to attack people in cages

We are baiting them to attract them to people in cages.

They get rewarded with tasty morsels when they attack people in cages.

They swim...a lot...up and down the coast....follow the whales... Are habitual feeders..remember food triggers,places,sounds,smells.
Than we take away the cages........,

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laceys lane said..

jbshack said..

laceys lane said..
so are the nets to stop or to catch



its a tough one for me personally.

but I sure feel safer in qld . less incidents for sure.

some of those places being affected are just down the road over the border.

has to be more than just good luck.

northern nsw surfers voting with their feet too. crossing the border

This link has some info from the NSW fisheries page.

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/208319/FR24-shark-meshing.pdf



The shark meshing program is a fishing activity involving the placement of nets off beaches and other waters to protect the public from sharks. Shark meshing on Sydney beaches began in 1937 to reduce the numbers of sharks and thereby reduce the risk of shark attacks. Originally beaches from Palm Beach to Cronulla were meshed. In 1949 beaches in Wollongong and Newcastle were added, with Central Coast beaches added in 1987. Today a total of 49 beaches covering approximately 200 km of coastline are meshed.



It is what it is, a cull..

that report is bias and opinionated and factual

im quiet surprised to be honest.

I would have been more impressed if they weren't bias and opinionated.

I really don't get what your at, its just showing that DPI for NSW use the nets as a culling device.. Thats all..

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jbshack said..

laceys lane said..

jbshack said..

laceys lane said..
so are the nets to stop or to catch



its a tough one for me personally.

but I sure feel safer in qld . less incidents for sure.

some of those places being affected are just down the road over the border.

has to be more than just good luck.

northern nsw surfers voting with their feet too. crossing the border

This link has some info from the NSW fisheries page.

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/208319/FR24-shark-meshing.pdf



The shark meshing program is a fishing activity involving the placement of nets off beaches and other waters to protect the public from sharks. Shark meshing on Sydney beaches began in 1937 to reduce the numbers of sharks and thereby reduce the risk of shark attacks. Originally beaches from Palm Beach to Cronulla were meshed. In 1949 beaches in Wollongong and Newcastle were added, with Central Coast beaches added in 1987. Today a total of 49 beaches covering approximately 200 km of coastline are meshed.



It is what it is, a cull..

that report is bias and opinionated and factual

im quiet surprised to be honest.

I would have been more impressed if they weren't bias and opinionated.

I really don't get what your at, its just showing that DPI for NSW use the nets as a culling device.. Thats all..

well I expected just facts, not opinions

^^^^^^you have expected way too much lacet