Do you guys know if they can copy a shape of you were to being in a board. I.e could you being in one of your boards and it would scan it and make the same board??

As a surveying company, we have the ability to 3d laser scan anything, to produce a CAD model.
Not sure about remaking a real thing from the model, but theoretically possible. probably quite easy.

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McHenry said...
Do you guys know if they can copy a shape of you were to being in a board. I.e could you being in one of your boards and it would scan it and make the same board??

No idea about those specifics. But I have seen shapers take really detailed measurements off a board and reproduce it very closely.

I had a Tom Hoye Precision Equip 6'6" that went really well up to four-five foot. After that it started to slide on some bottom turns which wasn't confidence inspiring. But I felt, everything being equal, that I should be able to surf much bigger waves on it (I was younger, fitter and braver). I took it to Mark Ogram at Yahoo who took a bunch of measurements and turned out a board with a different bottom but almost identical outline and foil. If you put the two board side by side they look identical. That Yahoo 6'6" is my equal favourite Gnaraloo board. It went so well. Both of these were handshaped.

Eventually it was time to retire her and I thought I would try a different shaper and took the Yahoo to Al Bean. He took a heap of measurements (this time I stayed to watch) and was I amazed the amount of measurements he took every couple of inches for the outline, another set for the foil, another set for the rocker. Amazingly detailed. I loved the Yahoo and didn't want to play with the dimensions, rocker or foil. I got a different bottom though. He punched the numbers into his shaping machine. A year later I went and got the same board with yet another bottom.

So eventually I had two handshaped boards and two machine shaped boards with the same dimensions. They all went very differently because of the bottom concaves, but side by side, under the arm, they are identical.

Take the board to a shaper with a machine and I am sure he can get very very very close.

So my dimensions? 6'6" X 18 3/4 X 2 5/8, 13 3/4 tail, 10 3/4 nose.

The bottoms?

Hoye's Patented Five Stage Vortex Transfer bottom (seriously) subtle nose single into flat into vee with a double running through the vee.

Yahoo - a classic single into double.

1st AB - reverse vee.

2nd AB - single into slight vee with six channels running through the vee.

Sorry for the slight thread hijack, but these boards could be quads to look at. Go for it McHenry.

In a short answer - yes - most definitely. It's easy these days. You can basically get any of them to do it for you. They do not like to tell everyone they can do it but they do. Just ask nicely it's like stealing / copyright etc. just like a torrent ! it will not be perfect though - no two boards ever are - but it will be very very close and unless you are a Slater you would hardly know. At the end of the day the sander plays a big part with the finishing of the rails and tail / edges anyway.

I have seen loads of identical boards on racks from the big manufacturers that are far from identical

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Ted the Kiwi said..
In a short answer - yes - most definitely. It's easy these days. You can basically get any of them to do it for you. They do not like to tell everyone they can do it but they do. Just ask nicely it's like stealing / copyright etc. just like a torrent ! it will not be perfect though - no two boards ever are - but it will be very very close and unless you are a Slater you would hardly know. At the end of the day the sander plays a big part with the finishing of the rails and tail / edges anyway.

I have seen loads of identical boards on racks from the big manufacturers that are far from identical

yep what ted said....plus i think its rude taking someones shape elsewhere and make it identical ,unless the shaper is goneski

there is company doing it as a business ...i just dont want to say their name

Yeah costs around &100 to scan and file a board at our local machinist and he doesn't care what make it is as there's no copyright issues with shapes of boards then if you supply the blank its around 200-300 bucks to spit it out.longboards might be a bit more

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Ricardo1709 said...
Yeah costs around &100 to scan and file a board at our local machinist and he doesn't care what make it is as there's no copyright issues with shapes of boards then if you supply the blank its around 200-300 bucks to spit it out.longboards might be a bit more

Does he sand it down and offer finishing services? Or is he just a cnc bloke?

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Ricardo1709 said...
Yeah costs around &100 to scan and file a board at our local machinist and he doesn't care what make it is as there's no copyright issues with shapes of boards then if you supply the blank its around 200-300 bucks to spit it out.longboards might be a bit more

So wait is this someone with a shaping machine ???

Yes McHenry that's about the going rate - they charge about $25 to throw it through the machine. If there is a bit more work involved it will be a bit more.

Have a look on the surfblanks website to get an idea of the difference in a longboard blank and a pre-shape as they sell both.

Nah he just puts out the machined blank and you finish it off or take it to someone to finish.they come out needing a soft block and hand sand plus any additional bottom curves that you want to fine tune like vees concaves channels etc but very little needed to finish your standard single to double board

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McHenry said...

Ricardo1709 said...
Yeah costs around &100 to scan and file a board at our local machinist and he doesn't care what make it is as there's no copyright issues with shapes of boards then if you supply the blank its around 200-300 bucks to spit it out.longboards might be a bit more

So wait is this someone with a shaping machine ???

Yes that's right, he owns the machine and pumps out shapes for local shapers or the backyard hacker

Thanka for the input guys. I think our guy will scan and take a bunch of dims and wants the other board while he shapes the new one. Interesting technology. Read an intersting article on Swellnet on this subject.

Why would you want to blatantly copy a board,why not get THE REAL THING

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Macaha said...
Why would you want to blatantly copy a board,why not get THE REAL THING

Couple of reasons Mac. Firstly this board is by a shaper out of the US. I dont really have $3000 dollars laying around to purchase THE REAL THING. Secondly, not sure if you have ever been to SA but it isn't exactly the mecca of surfing. Quality boards that arent white thrusters are hard to come by. Thirdly getting boards to SA is proving to be difficult as a lot are arriving damaged. Dave Basher just bought a beautiful Noosa 66 from that place where you buy boards only to find his lovely brand new stick with a big hole in the bottom. That was his 3rd out of 5 boards he has purchased interstate to arrive damaged. Fourthly, why not support a local shaper who needs the business. And my final point is the board kicks a** and is a kick a** shape.

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McHenry said..

Macaha said...
Why would you want to blatantly copy a board,why not get THE REAL THING

Couple of reasons Mac. Firstly this board is by a shaper out of the US. I dont really have $3000 dollars laying around to purchase THE REAL THING. Secondly, not sure if you have ever been to SA but it isn't exactly the mecca of surfing. Quality boards that arent white thrusters are hard to come by. Thirdly getting boards to SA is proving to be difficult as a lot are arriving damaged. Dave Basher just bought a beautiful Noosa 66 from that place where you buy boards only to find his lovely brand new stick with a big hole in the bottom. That was his 3rd out of 5 boards he has purchased interstate to arrive damaged. Fourthly, why not support a local shaper who needs the business. And my final point is the board kicks a** and is a kick a** shape.

I'd move for starters. and McHenry never be scared to mention McTavish mate the home of quality boards,you can get those Tylers here

Short answer is yes...just check Ebay and Gumtree alot of the cheaper boards on there and laser mapped then CNC cut before being glassed OS and shipped in...amazing

The real thing in action

This is the real thing in action.

www.surfline.com/video/webisodes/devons-log-session_94392

Once, many , many years ago when I was a boy of 15, I used to hang around the local board factories.

Peter Clarkes, Graham Kings, Gordon and Smith.

Once at Gordon and Smith there was this cool American dude over from the US doing a short term high output shaping stint. He was a shaping machine, came over to do a bunch of orders and bashed them out and left again.

Word was it was Floyd Smith but no-one ever knew for sure.

ET.

Mac you can rest easy. I won't be scanning and replicating any boards. Instead I will be scouring for a nice used log. Something that is built to last and glide that I can hold onto for a long time

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McHenry said..
Mac you can rest easy. I won't be scanning and replicating any boards. Instead I will be scouring for a nice used log. Something that is built to last and glide that I can hold onto for a long time

I have done the same McH...have had quite a few boards in my 50+ years of surfing (shame that doesn't equate to great surfing) and found the best value in the 2nd hand market, it helps when you know what to look for or what you want.

Sometimes the custom board just doesn't come up to what you expected...then when you go to unload it lose 40% of its cost straight up, whereas the used board (if you have to move it on) loses next to nothing, and if you've bought right maybe some gained $$...I know "the minister for finance" doesn't like depreciation

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McHenry said..
Mac you can rest easy. I won't be scanning and replicating any boards. Instead I will be scouring for a nice used log. Something that is built to last and glide that I can hold onto for a long time

Hey bro I saw the surfboardwarehouse has a big sale on...about $500 hunge for a log from memory

Mctavish also has a used surfboards hawaii longboard for around $300 on their website

Thanks Tux,

Looking for something a bit different perhaps. Been looking at Southcoast, Keyo, Hayden, Black Apache Etc. Want it to be built and glassed to last (heavyish) I have a bit of dough for this one as I just sold a road bike. SO going to not do a McHenry and take my time and wait for something that is pretty much exactly what I want. Been scrolling through GT and eBay every night looking for something nice. Again like I said before, shipping is always a worry especially when I see a board has a glass on fin, I just shutter.

Oh well, worse things in the world than looking for a new (used) stick!!

www.secondhandsurfboards.com.au are in Anglesea just down the road and usually turn over a lot of second handy's....if you see something you like there let me know happy to box it up for you if bruce wont arrange a courier...or meet you at the border

Thanks Tux,

That link doesn't seem to work :(

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McHenry said..
Thanks Tux,

That link doesn't seem to work :(

Just google anglesea surf centre...not much on there at the moment If I go past on th weekend and they have anything good I'll get some photos

That Anglesea joint has a huge stock of really varied boards. It may be worth giving them a ring and asking them to source one. I have no idea where they get them from, but there are lots and they were really busy when I was there for a week outside of school holidays. They have a wide variety of surf craft too.

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McHenry said...
Thanks Tux,

Looking for something a bit different perhaps. Been looking at Southcoast, Keyo, Hayden, Black Apache Etc. Want it to be built and glassed to last (heavyish) I have a bit of dough for this one as I just sold a road bike. SO going to not do a McHenry and take my time and wait for something that is pretty much exactly what I want. Been scrolling through GT and eBay every night looking for something nice. Again like I said before, shipping is always a worry especially when I see a board has a glass on fin, I just shutter.

Oh well, worse things in the world than looking for a new (used) stick!!

If you find anything around here happy pack it up for you.

Heaps of boards on GT on the east coast at the moment. Few really nice ones..

Great offer SP and good call McHenry there's nothing better than the real thing.

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Macaha said..
Great offer SP and good call McHenry there's nothing better than the real thing.

Surely you've got something to offload mac?

He is a collector these days Vanders