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RoyStuart said..
I've ridden these shapes loads of times at 18 to 24 feet at reefs, points and beaches and they just keep on going better as the size increases...

have you got some pics Roy.

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Simondo said..
You're right, it is a pin tail!

These shapes ride about a foot shorter than their length so this one is equivalent to something in the 8 foot range.

I thought the idea was to get a shorter board that paddles like a longer board...not a longer board that surfs like a shorter board?

There are two main directions for paddle in guns at present; shorter boards with plenty of volume and longer boards with plenty of volume.

This one has plenty of volume... the point is that these shapes handle lshorter than their length suggests in terms of the ride but have the paddle advantage of length. so at 9'5" she'll paddle like a 9'5" but ride a bit shorter in some respects.

One of the features which i like about this sort of shape is the ability to turn at speed anywhere... sure they are not for hacks but that's no big deal for essential surfing.

The current types tend to be stretched out versions of boards designed for point scoring moves, this comes at a price in terms of control when taking off and positioning at speed. That's my theory anyway.

Good luck I look forward to some ride reports and videos...am very interested to see how they perform

I worked it out it looks alike one of those Meyhoffer thingies without the big cuts outs

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Tux said..
I worked it out it looks alike one of those Meyhoffer thingies without the big cuts outs

I wonder if its a noserider for big waves?

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Tux said..
I worked it out it looks alike one of those Meyhoffer thingies without the big cuts outs

Ours came first by at least a decade, but yes there are some similarities especially to the 'slip in'.

The second gun shape will have a slight incut near the tail also.

Roy - who is the royal "we" that you often refer to? Who is your partner(s)?

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Tux said..
I worked it out it looks alike one of those Meyhoffer thingies without the big cuts outs

Ours came first by at least a decade, but yes there are some similarities especially to the 'slip in'.

The second gun shape will have a slight incut near the tail also.

Mind sharing the theory on that...I would of thought that consistent rail line would off been the go rather than having a area where the water changes direction....especially on a big wave where you potentially have a lot of surface bump coming at you...I have really been that keen on flyers and bumps in the rails for that reason

What beach have you riden this shape at that holds "18-24 feet"?

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RoyStuart said..

Tux said..
I worked it out it looks alike one of those Meyhoffer thingies without the big cuts outs

Ours came first by at least a decade, but yes there are some similarities especially to the 'slip in'.

The second gun shape will have a slight incut near the tail also.

Mind sharing the theory on that...I would of thought that consistent rail line would off been the go rather than having a area where the water changes direction....especially on a big wave where you potentially have a lot of surface bump coming at you...I have really been that keen on flyers and bumps in the rails for that reason

It's foil theory... reduce the planshape curve and even reverse it slightly on the trailing part of the foil. This allows better flow mixing at the tail and a section of rail at the tail which is basically straight for precise control.

There's no bump or flyer involved.

Handling bumps and chop is one of the main reasons for the extreme pin displacement tail. When the planing area at the tail ios very low, with soft rails and plenty of thickness then the tail sinks controllably and in a self tending manner when the nose kicks upowards as it hits chop. This brings the pitch pivot fulcrum closer to the rider so the rider is at the 'neutral axis' and doesn't get jammed up and down as much when going over bumps and chop.Such tails handle chop way better than conventional planing tails, even the narrow ones.

The rails themselves have a constant section below the tuck... no changes or taper at all... that also gives a consistent response.

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Ted the Kiwi said..
Roy - who is the royal "we" that you often refer to? Who is your partner(s)?

She's my partner.

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wavemaniac said..
What beach have you riden this shape at that holds "18-24 feet"?

To clarify I'm reporting heights the way it's done in the big wave arena i.e. actual face height.

Translated into the usual lingo means 9 to 12 feet.

Plenty of spots handle that size and/or can be ridden when out of control.

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Tux said..

RoyStuart said..

Tux said..
I worked it out it looks alike one of those Meyhoffer thingies without the big cuts outs

Ours came first by at least a decade, but yes there are some similarities especially to the 'slip in'.

The second gun shape will have a slight incut near the tail also.

Mind sharing the theory on that...I would of thought that consistent rail line would off been the go rather than having a area where the water changes direction....especially on a big wave where you potentially have a lot of surface bump coming at you...I have really been that keen on flyers and bumps in the rails for that reason

It's foil theory... reduce the planshape curve and even reverse it slightly on the trailing part of the foil. This allows better flow mixing at the tail and a section of rail at the tail which is basically straight for precise control.

There's no bump or flyer involved.

Handling bumps and chop is one of the main reasons for the extreme pin displacement tail. When the planing area at the tail ios very low, with soft rails and plenty of thickness then the tail sinks controllably and in a self tending manner when the nose kicks upowards as it hits chop. This brings the pitch pivot fulcrum closer to the rider so the rider is at the 'neutral axis' and doesn't get jammed up and down as much when going over bumps and chop.Such tails handle chop way better than conventional planing tails, even the narrow ones.

The rails themselves have a constant section below the tuck... no changes or taper at all... that also gives a consistent response.

Thanks Roy...can you hurry up and finish it I am looking forward to seeing the final product

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9'5"

Oh the no look pose

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Tux said..

RoyStuart said..

Tux said..

RoyStuart said..

Tux said..
I worked it out it looks alike one of those Meyhoffer thingies without the big cuts outs

Ours came first by at least a decade, but yes there are some similarities especially to the 'slip in'.

The second gun shape will have a slight incut near the tail also.

Mind sharing the theory on that...I would of thought that consistent rail line would off been the go rather than having a area where the water changes direction....especially on a big wave where you potentially have a lot of surface bump coming at you...I have really been that keen on flyers and bumps in the rails for that reason

It's foil theory... reduce the planshape curve and even reverse it slightly on the trailing part of the foil. This allows better flow mixing at the tail and a section of rail at the tail which is basically straight for precise control.

There's no bump or flyer involved.

Handling bumps and chop is one of the main reasons for the extreme pin displacement tail. When the planing area at the tail ios very low, with soft rails and plenty of thickness then the tail sinks controllably and in a self tending manner when the nose kicks upowards as it hits chop. This brings the pitch pivot fulcrum closer to the rider so the rider is at the 'neutral axis' and doesn't get jammed up and down as much when going over bumps and chop.Such tails handle chop way better than conventional planing tails, even the narrow ones.

The rails themselves have a constant section below the tuck... no changes or taper at all... that also gives a consistent response.

Thanks Roy...can you hurry up and finish it I am looking forward to seeing the final product

Finished the shaping today, all but.


Surfing the points tomorrow and finishing a woody friday so glassing will commence on Saturday.

here's number two the 66 series 9-5

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RoyStuart said..
here's number two the 66 series 9-5

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RoyStuart said..
here's number two the 66 series 9-5

Excited to see some finished products

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RoyStuart said..
here's number two the 66 series 9-5

your a true craftsman roy.

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here's number two the 66 series 9-5

Looks unreal Roy - post up a vid when you get it wet please mate

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Here's number one the 16-021 9'5" with 3D glass:

www.roystuart.biz/2015/01/the-gun-project-resin-tint-on-16-series.html

Surfboard or stand up

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Macaha said...
Surfboard or stand up

Very funny but at 24" wide it's no standup.

No doubt you are referring to the faceted rail, which is used to maximise volume at a given thickness

What is her thickness Roy

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RoyStuart said..
Very funny but at 24" wide it's no standup.

No doubt you are referring to the faceted rail, which is used to maximise volume at a given thickness

Roy modern day stands are 24 wide

my flatwater board was 23" wide

Whatever, I was making 27" wide 2" thick longboards for years before the SUP craze.

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thePup said..
What is her thickness Roy

3.5"

mmmmmm interesting beast now where's the vid we have to see her moves now Royboy

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thePup said..
mmmmmm interesting beast now where's the vid we have to see her moves now Royboy

Pup I think you should order one.