I have had a close look at the boards I like to ride, and there is one common thread... They all have a reasonable amount of rocker;
- McT EvoII
- Brewer 9'6 Nose Rider
- McT Guns
- Bob's Handshaped Occasional Pin

The other common thread... they are around 9 foot...
And, my favorite boards still have a little edge to the rail up around the mid point, and softening up forward of there.

The New Cruiser model would also match these common threads!

I haven't even ridden a Redline, but I think I would like a little bit more rocker than that board offers.

The Brewer has a bit of rocker, and plenty of foam, and it goes unreal in little waves... So you don't actually need flatter rockers in small waves. Same with the Billy Hamilton Stylist (9'6), has a little bit of rocker and also slides really well in small stuff.

Fark I just fell off my rocker chair Pfff!

I like the EV02 rocker,its flatter than the UFO,both my custom mix up boards have this rocker.

The new EVO2 with UFO outline and the Splice.

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62mac said...

I like to Splice it up with a sunset

Actually I was just trying to be funny and take the p*ss out of you Mac but have failed miserably. I needed an image for what I was intending....anyway I have been side tracked as I did a google images search for "sunset lime splice" and to my utter astonishment Mac and his Sunset and Splice boards dominate the search results!! Laurie must be stoked with you Mac and Bob more so. I could see you in some of those pants actually Mac.........

Haha yep its scary what you find sometimes.

..... bit of rocker never ever ever EVER hurt anyone ...... hehehe

Type in McTavish G2, and a stack of my boards & images come up...

For me, rocker is a very confusing subject, it's an area that I would never dream of attempting to talk to a shaper about, and oddly enough, it even has a major influence on the only subject I will talk to a shaper about, and that's volume.

Just recently I've been discussing with a few shapers the possibility on me going back to a poly board and whenever I raise the subject of how much volume I want, they always tell me that if they put the foam in the right place and got the rocker right, I wouldn't need that much foam overall. I'm sure they're correct, but after so many failed poly boards from some of Brookvales finest, you can see why I remain skeptical.

LB rocker seem to me to be a lot more complicated than SB, a SB seems reasonably simply because for the most part, you keep one foot on the brake (the back foot) and one foot on the accelerator (the front foot) somewhere between these fixed positions is the apex of the rocker.

But a LB is all over the place, and what do you want to do with it?

Do you like to shoot long fast walls? Then maybe a little in the tail and a lot in the nose.

Do you like to occasionally dip ten toes in the snot? Then maybe more kick in the tail and less in the nose.

Do you like keep your toes in snot all day? Then maybe next to nothing in the nose and a huge kick in the arse.

And for all of the above you need to consider the apex point or even if there is a continuous rocker or a flat section? And where does that flat section stop or start.

No wonder I shy away from the topic, to me, it's just too complicated.

Rockers are super important,too much or too little,it depends where you surf and how.

I like the evo2 rocker sits perfect for me,can handle late step drops,gives good speed down the line and makes a great paddler.

When you look at the UFO and EVO2 rockers there's not a huge difference to the untrained eye,but let me tell you there is a massive difference.

Therefore the UFO needs fast punchy waves and the EVO2 doesn't,EVO2 rocker wins hands down.
Sorry to be talking all things McT but hell you know

oh boy a rocker thread. man its been a good week for nerds. first paddle handles now this- a real live rocker thread

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obct said...
For me, rocker is a very confusing subject, it's an area that I would never dream of attempting to talk to a shaper about, and oddly enough, it even has a major influence on the only subject I will talk to a shaper about, and that's volume.

Just recently I've been discussing with a few shapers the possibility on me going back to a poly board and whenever I raise the subject of how much volume I want, they always tell me that if they put the foam in the right place and got the rocker right, I wouldn't need that much foam overall. I'm sure they're correct, but after so many failed poly boards from some of Brookvales finest, you can see why I remain skeptical.

LB rocker seem to me to be a lot more complicated than SB, a SB seems reasonably simply because for the most part, you keep one foot on the brake (the back foot) and one foot on the accelerator (the front foot) somewhere between these fixed positions is the apex of the rocker.

But a LB is all over the place, and what do you want to do with it?

Do you like to shoot long fast walls? Then maybe a little in the tail and a lot in the nose.

Do you like to occasionally dip ten toes in the snot? Then maybe more kick in the tail and less in the nose.

Do you like keep your toes in snot all day? Then maybe next to nothing in the nose and a huge kick in the arse.

And for all of the above you need to consider the apex point or even if there is a continuous rocker or a flat section? And where does that flat section stop or start.

No wonder I shy away from the topic, to me, it's just too complicated.

geez i think del rosso could sort a nice 10footer for mate

Slight lift in the tail with a rolled bottom, with absolutely no rocker in the nose and a deep concave bottom That's where it's at.

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obct said...
For me, rocker is a very confusing subject, it's an area that I would never dream of attempting to talk to a shaper about, and oddly enough, it even has a major influence on the only subject I will talk to a shaper about, and that's volume.

Just recently I've been discussing with a few shapers the possibility on me going back to a poly board and whenever I raise the subject of how much volume I want, they always tell me that if they put the foam in the right place and got the rocker right, I wouldn't need that much foam overall. I'm sure they're correct, but after so many failed poly boards from some of Brookvales finest, you can see why I remain skeptical.

LB rocker seem to me to be a lot more complicated than SB, a SB seems reasonably simply because for the most part, you keep one foot on the brake (the back foot) and one foot on the accelerator (the front foot) somewhere between these fixed positions is the apex of the rocker.

But a LB is all over the place, and what do you want to do with it?

Do you like to shoot long fast walls? Then maybe a little in the tail and a lot in the nose.

Do you like to occasionally dip ten toes in the snot? Then maybe more kick in the tail and less in the nose.

Do you like keep your toes in snot all day? Then maybe next to nothing in the nose and a huge kick in the arse.

And for all of the above you need to consider the apex point or even if there is a continuous rocker or a flat section? And where does that flat section stop or start.

No wonder I shy away from the topic, to me, it's just too complicated.

geez i think del rosso could sort a nice 10footer for mate

He's one of the shapers I'm talking to.

And definitely the most intelligent

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chrispychru said...

obct said...
For me, rocker is a very confusing subject, it's an area that I would never dream of attempting to talk to a shaper about, and oddly enough, it even has a major influence on the only subject I will talk to a shaper about, and that's volume.

Just recently I've been discussing with a few shapers the possibility on me going back to a poly board and whenever I raise the subject of how much volume I want, they always tell me that if they put the foam in the right place and got the rocker right, I wouldn't need that much foam overall. I'm sure they're correct, but after so many failed poly boards from some of Brookvales finest, you can see why I remain skeptical.

LB rocker seem to me to be a lot more complicated than SB, a SB seems reasonably simply because for the most part, you keep one foot on the brake (the back foot) and one foot on the accelerator (the front foot) somewhere between these fixed positions is the apex of the rocker.

But a LB is all over the place, and what do you want to do with it?

Do you like to shoot long fast walls? Then maybe a little in the tail and a lot in the nose.

Do you like to occasionally dip ten toes in the snot? Then maybe more kick in the tail and less in the nose.

Do you like keep your toes in snot all day? Then maybe next to nothing in the nose and a huge kick in the arse.

And for all of the above you need to consider the apex point or even if there is a continuous rocker or a flat section? And where does that flat section stop or start.

No wonder I shy away from the topic, to me, it's just too complicated.

geez i think del rosso could sort a nice 10footer for mate

He's one of the shapers I'm talking to.

And definitely the most intelligent

boys, if there's one thing i've learnt about rockers and fins is the more you know the less you know. rockers - leave them to the demi gods - the shapers.

strange men them lot

I guess if you ride a sup and popout you have little choice don't you

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62mac said...
I guess if you ride a sup and popout you have little choice don't you

i'll have to let mickd know my 14'er getting it's top coat glassing today at west burleigh is a pop out.

12 towers finish do is looking more and more interesting for you


haha btw, you haven't set the world on fire with your input in the world of shaping. maybe a pop out is you

different type of longboard rocker......
How are those chops.....

What,are you saying my life is in danger if I attend the finish of the 12 towers. OMG

LL well said in the woof topic proud you said it as it is,even Makaha would be stoked.

Awesome photo SP! Thanks a million!
I'll never forget sharing beers with this bloke in a shaping bay, in Torquay...

I dunno if sups are different due to their massive volume, but my new jp sup is probably the heaviest rockered sup Ive owned and its hands down the fastest down the line sup Ive ridden ??? It is quite slow to just paddle around but its a different board in surf.
I've personally always had fairly flat boards for all conditions (mals) and steered away from rocker - until I rode a Laguna MSJ which everybody called the banana - which again was a slow paddler but fastest ever longboard on a wave - go figure.
I dont wanna try to explain it or understand it cos I know shlt about the hydrodynamics of surfboard rockers - I guess thats why, if that kinda thing is important to you the you get a reputable shaper to build your boards - or buy well designed pop-outs from a premium label.

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62mac said...
What,are you saying my life is in danger if I attend the finish of the 12 towers. OMG

LL well said in the woof topic proud you said it as it is,even Makaha would be stoked.

umm, which one.


mac i would love to get my surf666er's custom still. sadly the fact is you can't sell them.

so no more playing around anymore

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Simondo said...
Awesome photo SP! Thanks a million!
I'll never forget sharing beers with this bloke in a shaping bay, in Torquay...

Tyler has come to Greenroom for Friday arvo beers....





This was the one I was looking for, love this shot



And while we are going a few more...

That's Tyler in Torquay, and me in the red beanie!

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billboard said...
I dunno if sups are different due to their massive volume, but my new jp sup is probably the heaviest rockered sup Ive owned and its hands down the fastest down the line sup Ive ridden ??? It is quite slow to just paddle around but its a different board in surf.
I've personally always had fairly flat boards for all conditions (mals) and steered away from rocker - until I rode a Laguna MSJ which everybody called the banana - which again was a slow paddler but fastest ever longboard on a wave - go figure.
I dont wanna try to explain it or understand it cos I know shlt about the hydrodynamics of surfboard rockers - I guess thats why, if that kinda thing is important to you the you get a reputable shaper to build your boards - or buy well designed pop-outs from a premium label.

You really need to go next door with all that sh-t.

That's cool Lacey you have invested/spent/waisted a serious amount of bucks on progression of sup.

I hear you mate,I think you have made some great choices of late.

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Mac, the EVOII (McTavish) rocker is bloody brilliant! Not too much, not too little... just right.

Farkmate that's what I was saying 10 hours ago geez


True tho

So whats your issue with pop-outs? Is it the construction? I have been spending all of my spare time of late doing 2 things......

1. working out how I can set up a vacuum setup in the garage so I can build a compsand for my next project

2. learning to use Shaper3d so I can get my design spat out

I am absolutely convinced of the principals of compsand types boards having owned one for the last 18 mths and been reading extensively about them the last 8 or so months. I am not sure about them for Mal's yet - I am limited in my exposure and experience with the longer beast...but as far as a short board goes - I love the concept. I also love the idea of the price that I can produce these at - remembering that I do not charge myself a labour cost.....this is for enjoyment and to feel like i am doing something constructive! It would be far more economic to do a few more hours work a week and pay cashola than the slave time required for a person of my skill levels!!!

Be prepared for another long email thread once I clear the decks. Hoping for a Feb start to production.

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billboard said...
sups... jp... blah blah blah...

You really need to go next door with all that sh-t.

Luv ya though BB! Nah, I hear you on Rocker. Far out I can get some speed out of my rockered Brewer 9'6... So fast!

No issue Ted,I spent 30 years in manufacturing, and design,once the market made me turn into a sausage factory I started my exist plan

Now I just design.

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billboard said...
I dunno if mals are different due to their massive volume, but my new jp mal is probably the heaviest rockered mal Ive owned and its hands down the fastest down the line sup Ive ridden ??? It is quite slow to just paddle around but its a different board in surf.
I've personally always had fairly flat boards for all conditions (mals) and steered away from rocker - until I rode a Laguna MSJ mal which everybody called the banana - which again was a slow paddler but fastest ever longboard on a wave - go figure.
I dont wanna try to explain it or understand it cos I know shlt about the hydrodynamics of mal surfboard rockers - I guess thats why, if that kinda thing is important to you the you get a reputable shaper to build your boards - or buy well designed pop-outs from a premium label.

You really need to go next door with all that sh-t.

that's a bit hard

Nah he can take it because he sure can dish pan it out.

see i saw this shot and wondered about rocker

see guy on the right no rocker nose diving

yet the fattish and balding dude on the left seems to have this slight rocker kick

is this where rocker helps?

is this where a diet helps?

is this where ashley and martin helps?

and is this where the no rocker blow in on the right goes home to byron where he belongs