Hi All,

Was listening to this podcast, which is awesome BTW, and was particularly interested in Roger Hinds take on a classic noserider.

The hydrodynamic theory behind a flat board with downrails and more tail rocker to maintain glide but also hold in the pocket when you run to the nose Vs most modern LB's use rounder rails on the tail and then a concave under the nose to create suction at the nose for hold...

I think my next board will likely be a custom Hinds noserider, the wait list is about 1.5yrs but I waited that long for my Ryan Lovelace...

Anyways, let me know if anyone has experience shaping/riding these... and check the podcast, a great listen

www.spitpodcast.com/074-spit-with-roger-hinds-jim-kempton-october-20-2016/

Cheers

Hi Andy,nice podcast, basically all the general specs are spot on,i.e. parallel rail, reverse rocker, wide point slightly back etc.

There is a school of thought re; the bottom shapes, as was stated some like the vee under the feet transitioning into a mostly flat bottom mid section.
But there is also the Hulled bottom gang, their thinking is there is more suck and lift,withthis bottom shape,without the water shearing of like a Vee bottom can do depending on the size of the Vee.

One of the other claimed advantages of the Hull bottom is, it much easier to control how fast you go before you out run the wave while on the nose.
Of course it helps if you can surf in the first place.

Cheers, Rocket.

Isn't that part of the idea behind the Wegener corkys that they bend into a reverse rocker when on the nose?

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rodriguez said..
Hi Andy,nice podcast, basically all the general specs are spot on,i.e. parallel rail, reverse rocker, wide point slightly back etc.

There is a school of thought re; the bottom shapes, as was stated some like the vee under the feet transitioning into a mostly flat bottom mid section.
But there is also the Hulled bottom gang, their thinking is there is more suck and lift,withthis bottom shape,without the water shearing of like a Vee bottom can do depending on the size of the Vee.

One of the other claimed advantages of the Hull bottom is, it much easier to control how fast you go before you out run the wave while on the nose.
Of course it helps if you can surf in the first place.

Cheers, Rocket.

I actually have ridden a few Hulls and the speed is more flat out, much harder to manage but they definitely go faster. I have a Ryan Lovelace ThickLizzy and a Christenson Fish and both have Hull entry and both have speed to burn, Hulls are amazing in a mid length but i dont think i'd want that in a noserider log... I want less speed, more hold...

My noserider atm is the CW Hotlog and the hold is really good in faster more sucky waves. But what I want want is a noserider that can hold my fat ass in slower/fatter waves, so more hold and a slower board and Hinds shapes his logs for mellow Cali waves... doesnt even need to turn... and yes... losing weight will help

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SP said..
Isn't that part of the idea behind the Wegener corkys that they bend into a reverse rocker when on the nose?

Not sure, I might give Tom a call as there is very little info on the web. My understanding of the corky was that it more about flex for turning and making the board super durable sustainability...

Surf animals has a 10ft corky I believe, maybe he can shed some light?

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AndyrooMac said..

SP said..
Isn't that part of the idea behind the Wegener corkys that they bend into a reverse rocker when on the nose?

Not sure, I might give Tom a call as there is very little info on the web. My understanding of the corky was that it more about flex for turning and making the board super durable sustainability...

Sure he had a few posts on insta about it.

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McHenry said..
Surf animals has a 10ft corky I believe, maybe he can shed some light?

I don't think he nose-rides and thats all i'm looking for, and if he did he'd tread on the camera

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AndyrooMac said..

SP said..
Isn't that part of the idea behind the Wegener corkys that they bend into a reverse rocker when on the nose?

Not sure, I might give Tom a call as there is very little info on the web. My understanding of the corky was that it more about flex for turning and making the board super durable sustainability...

Sure he had a few posts on insta about it.

Cheers, i'll check it out

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AndyrooMac said..

rodriguez said..
Hi Andy,nice podcast, basically all the general specs are spot on,i.e. parallel rail, reverse rocker, wide point slightly back etc.

There is a school of thought re; the bottom shapes, as was stated some like the vee under the feet transitioning into a mostly flat bottom mid section.
But there is also the Hulled bottom gang, their thinking is there is more suck and lift,withthis bottom shape,without the water shearing of like a Vee bottom can do depending on the size of the Vee.

One of the other claimed advantages of the Hull bottom is, it much easier to control how fast you go before you out run the wave while on the nose.
Of course it helps if you can surf in the first place.

Cheers, Rocket.

I actually have ridden a few Hulls and the speed is more flat out, much harder to manage but they definitely go faster. I have a Ryan Lovelace ThickLizzy and a Christenson Fish and both have Hull entry and both have speed to burn, Hulls are amazing in a mid length but i dont think i'd want that in a noserider log... I want less speed, more hold...

My noserider atm is the CW Hotlog and the hold is really good in faster more sucky waves. But what I want want is a noserider that can hold my fat ass in slower/fatter waves, so more hold and a slower board and Hinds shapes his logs for mellow Cali waves... doesnt even need to turn... and yes... losing weight will help

Andy the longboard log I was referring to has the hull between the feet where the vee would be,not in the entry area.
Most of Tom Wegners boards have a roll or hull like rise thru the rear section.

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rodriguez said..

AndyrooMac said..

rodriguez said..
Hi Andy,nice podcast, basically all the general specs are spot on,i.e. parallel rail, reverse rocker, wide point slightly back etc.

There is a school of thought re; the bottom shapes, as was stated some like the vee under the feet transitioning into a mostly flat bottom mid section.
But there is also the Hulled bottom gang, their thinking is there is more suck and lift,withthis bottom shape,without the water shearing of like a Vee bottom can do depending on the size of the Vee.

One of the other claimed advantages of the Hull bottom is, it much easier to control how fast you go before you out run the wave while on the nose.
Of course it helps if you can surf in the first place.

Cheers, Rocket.

I actually have ridden a few Hulls and the speed is more flat out, much harder to manage but they definitely go faster. I have a Ryan Lovelace ThickLizzy and a Christenson Fish and both have Hull entry and both have speed to burn, Hulls are amazing in a mid length but i dont think i'd want that in a noserider log... I want less speed, more hold...

My noserider atm is the CW Hotlog and the hold is really good in faster more sucky waves. But what I want want is a noserider that can hold my fat ass in slower/fatter waves, so more hold and a slower board and Hinds shapes his logs for mellow Cali waves... doesnt even need to turn... and yes... losing weight will help

Andy the longboard log I was referring to has the hull between the feet where the vee would be,not in the entry area.
Most of Tom Wegners boards have a roll or hull like rise thru the rear section.

Yeah right, haven't come across that before... might see if i can do some reading... I've ordered The Andreini book which has a lot of stuff about hydrodynamic theory for board design