for something different around here.

just ridiculous, would have loved to watch him fight, whatever you think about him you have to respect his sheer power and speed

Good old days. Pubs were that packed that if you were not there at the first fight you had no chance of watching Tyson fight. He was a phenomena in his prime.

absolute animal

Yeah this Lad was a monster - almost felt sorry for any poor bastard silly enough to get in on with Iron Tyso

He was an incredible fighter. In some of his earlier fights you could see the fear in the eyes of some of his opponents.

ok now for ultimate question.......... ALI VS TYSON? who would win?

id say tyson. That power and speed, Ali faster yes, but no where near as powerful.

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ok now for ultimate question.......... ALI VS TYSON? who would win?

id say tyson. That power and speed, Ali faster yes, but no where near as powerful.

well Ali was banned from boxing during what would have been his absolute best years so its hard to say.. when he came back and beat Forman he basically used the 'rope a dope' to tire him out before finishing him.. that wouldn't have worked with Tyson. Once Tyson gets in close enough to work that left hook.. it would be lights out Ali.

so on what ive seen and know of both fighters. Tyson .

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BigSpazz said..

ok now for ultimate question.......... ALI VS TYSON? who would win?

id say tyson. That power and speed, Ali faster yes, but no where near as powerful.

well Ali was banned from boxing during what would have been his absolute best years so its hard to say.. when he came back and beat Forman he basically used the 'rope a dope' to tire him out before finishing him.. that wouldn't have worked with Tyson. Once Tyson gets in close enough to work that left hook.. it would be lights out Ali.

so on what ive seen and know of both fighters. Tyson .

then again many say tyson was in jail in his prime also, once released was brain washed by Don King

3 years vs 9 years is a big difference.. but i agree that Tyson could have done more if he didnt go to jail. I love Tyson. an absolute machine in his day

the 'Tyson' documentary is also great.

Baddest man on the planet was the tag line wasn't it? At the time it was probably right.

I wonder if he has stayed off the gear these last few days I remember watching that famous Holyfield fight.......ahhhh the shame.

Tyson v Ali no brainer.............Ali ....... watch "when we were kings" and see if you agree
coxscorner.tripod.com/tyson.html
www.ringtv.com

Foreman would of murdered Tyson at his peak and Ali took out Foreman at his peak when he was well past it
with the "rope a dope"

Tyson was a machine no doubt but a lot of his fights were against average competition

if you have never seen it great doco.....





even the sim has george over tyson

far out- the memories, instant knocks, delayed knocks, guys get lifted of their feet knocks out. some of those fighters are lucky their heads still on their bodies.

tyson knew they were gone with the delayed knocks- just watched them go.


i had to keep replaying some of those punches to see them.


could have been the greatest by far imo until_____________-

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ok now for ultimate question.......... ALI VS TYSON? who would win?

id say tyson. That power and speed, Ali faster yes, but no where near as powerful.

Ali would of taken him with shear class, remember ali would take punches to wear the others down and some of those guys were class fighters.
ali had the best jab in the game and a heart bigger than Phar lap. iron mike would have had respect from ali but ali would of found holes in mikes brawling fight style IMO

Tyson was a sideshow.
Shame his career was cut short.
Not in the class of Ali, Foreman, Fraser IMO.

just had a chat to my dad about this- a life long boxing fan. he thinks tyson in his prime would have matched those boxers mention above. he has a aura about him and his power and speed would have been respected.

dad also said sonny liston had that aura too. he took a dive against ali for money or was told too is his call. best heavyweight fighter ever dad reckons

Professional boxing record

56 Wins (37 knockouts, 19 decisions), 5 Losses (4 decisions, 1 TKO), 0 Draws[108]
Res.?Record?Opponent?Type?Round, Time?Date?Age?Location?Notes
Loss?56-5?Trevor Berbick?Decision (unanimous)?10 (10)?December 11, 1981?39 years, 328 days? Nassau, Bahamas?"Drama in the Bahamas"[109]
Loss?56-4?Larry Holmes?TKO (Corner Stoppage)?10 (15)?October 2, 1980?38 years, 259 days? Las Vegas, NV?Lost The Ring World Heavyweight title. For WBC World Heavyweight title.
Win?56-3?Leon Spinks?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?September 15, 1978?36 years, 241 days? New Orleans, LA?Won The Ring & WBA World Heavyweight titles;
Vacated WBA title on 1979-09-06.
Loss?55-3?Leon Spinks?Decision (split)?15 (15)?February 15, 1978?36 years, 29 days? Las Vegas, NV?Lost The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?55-2?Earnie Shavers?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?September 29, 1977?35 years, 255 days? New York City?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?54-2?Alfredo Evangelista?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?May 16, 1977?35 years, 119 days? Landover, MD?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?53-2?Ken Norton?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?September 28, 1976?34 years, 255 days? The Bronx, New York?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?52-2?Richard Dunn?TKO?5 (15)?May 24, 1976?34 years, 128 days? Munich, West Germany?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?51-2?Jimmy Young?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?April 30, 1976?34 years, 104 days? Landover, MD?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?50-2?Jean-Pierre Coopman?KO?5 (15)?February 20, 1976?34 years, 34 days? San Juan, Puerto Rico?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?49-2?Joe Frazier?TKO?14 (15), 0:59?October 1, 1975?33 years, 257 days? Quezon City, Philippines?"The Thrilla in Manila";
Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?48-2?Joe Bugner?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?June 30, 1975?33 years, 164 days? Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?47-2?Ron Lyle?TKO?11 (15)?May 16, 1975?33 years, 119 days? Las Vegas, NV?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?46-2?Chuck Wepner?TKO?15 (15), 2:41?March 24, 1975?33 years, 66 days? Richfield, OH?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?45-2?George Foreman?KO?8 (15), 2:58?October 30, 1974?32 years, 286 days? Kinshasa, Zaire?"The Rumble in the Jungle";
Won The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?44-2?Joe Frazier?Decision (unanimous)?12 (12)?January 28, 1974?32 years, 11 days? New York City, NY?Retained NABF Heavyweight title;
Vacated title later in 1974.
Win?43-2?Rudi Lubbers?Decision (unanimous)?12 (12)?October 20, 1973?31 years, 276 days? Jakarta, Indonesia?
Win?42-2?Ken Norton?Decision (split)?12 (12)?September 10, 1973?31 years, 236 days? Inglewood, CA?Won NABF Heavyweight title.
Loss?41-2?Ken Norton?Decision (split)?12 (12)?March 31, 1973?31 years, 73 days? San Diego, CA?Lost NABF Heavyweight title.
Win?41-1?Joe Bugner?Decision (unanimous)?12 (12)?February 14, 1973?31 years, 28 days? Las Vegas, NV?
Win?40-1?Bob Foster?KO?7 (12)?November 21, 1972?30 years, 309 days? Stateline, NV?Retained NABF Heavyweight title.
Win?39-1?Floyd Patterson?TKO?7 (12)?September 20, 1972?30 years, 247 days? New York City, NY?Retained NABF Heavyweight title.
Win?38-1?Alvin Lewis?TKO?11 (12), 1:15?July 19, 1972?30 years, 184 days? Dublin, Ireland?
Win?37-1?Jerry Quarry?TKO?7 (12), 0:19?June 27, 1972?30 years, 162 days? Las Vegas, NV?Retained NABF Heavyweight title.
Win?36-1?George Chuvalo?Decision (unanimous)?12 (12)?May 1, 1972?30 years, 105 days? Vancouver, Canada?Retained NABF Heavyweight title.
Win?35-1?Mac Foster?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?April 1, 1972?30 years, 75 days? Tokyo, Japan?
Win?34-1?J??rgen Blin?KO?7 (12), 2:12?December 26, 1971?29 years, 343 days? Zurich, Switzerland?
Win?33-1?Buster Mathis?Decision (unanimous)?12 (12)?November 17, 1971?29 years, 304 days? Houston, TX?Retained NABF Heavyweight title.
Win?32-1?Jimmy Ellis?TKO?12 (12), 2:10?July 26, 1971?29 years, 190 days? Houston, TX?Won vacant NABF Heavyweight title.
Loss?31-1?Joe Frazier?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?March 8, 1971?29 years, 50 days? New York City, NY?"The Fight of the Century";
Lost The Ring World Heavyweight title. For WBA & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?31-0?Oscar Bonavena?TKO?15 (15), 2:03?December 7, 1970?28 years, 324 days? New York City, NY?Retained The Ring World Heavyweight title.
Win?30-0?Jerry Quarry?TKO?3 (15)?October 26, 1970?28 years, 282 days? Atlanta, GA?Retained The Ring World Heavyweight title.
Win?29-0?Zora Folley?KO?7 (15), 1:48?March 22, 1967?25 years, 64 days? New York City, NY?Retained The Ring, WBC & WBA World Heavyweight titles;
Stripped of titles on 04-28-1967.
Win?28-0?Ernie Terrell?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?February 6, 1967?25 years, 20 days? Houston, TX?Retained The Ring WBC & won WBA World Heavyweight titles.
Win?27-0?Cleveland Williams?TKO?3 (15)?November 14, 1966?24 years, 301 days? Houston, TX?Retained The Ring & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?26-0?Karl Mildenberger?TKO?12 (15)?September 10, 1966?24 years, 236 days? Frankfurt, West Germany?Retained The Ring & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?25-0?Brian London?KO?3 (15)?August 6, 1966?24 years, 201 days? London, England?Retained The Ring & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?24-0?Henry Cooper?TKO?6 (15), 1:38?May 21, 1966?24 years, 124 days? London, England?Retained The Ring & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?23-0?George Chuvalo?Decision (unanimous)?15 (15)?March 29, 1966?24 years, 71 days? Toronto, Canada?Retained The Ring & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?22-0?Floyd Patterson?TKO?12 (15), 2:18?November 22, 1965?23 years, 309 days? Las Vegas, NV?Retained The Ring & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?21-0?Sonny Liston?KO?1 (15), 2:12?May 25, 1965?23 years, 128 days? Lewiston, ME?Retained The Ring & WBC World Heavyweight titles.
Win?20-0?Sonny Liston?TKO?7 (15)?February 25, 1964?22 years, 39 days? Miami Beach, FL?Won The Ring, WBA & WBC World Heavyweight titles;
Stripped of WBA title on 06-19-1964.
Win?19-0?Henry Cooper?TKO?5 (10), 2:15?June 18, 1963?21 years, 152 days? London, England?
Win?18-0?Doug Jones?Decision (unanimous)?10 (10)?March 13, 1963?21 years, 55 days? New York City, NY?
Win?17-0?Charley Powell?KO?3, 2:04?January 24, 1963?21 years, 7 days? Pittsburgh, PA?
Win?16-0?Archie Moore?TKO?4 (10), 1:35?November 15, 1962?20 years, 302 days? Los Angeles, CA?
Win?15-0?Alejandro Lavorante?KO?5 (10), 1:48?July 20, 1962?20 years, 184 days? Los Angeles, CA?
Win?14-0?Billy Daniels?TKO?7 (10), 2:21?May 19, 1962?20 years, 122 days? New York City, NY?
Win?13-0?George Logan?TKO?4 (10), 1:34?April 23, 1962?20 years, 96 days? New York City, NY?
Win?12-0?Don Warner?TKO?4, 0:34?March 28, 1962?20 years, 70 days? Miami Beach, FL?
Win?11-0?Sonny Banks?TKO?4 (10), 0:26?February 10, 1962?20 years, 24 days? New York City, NY?
Win?10-0?Willi Besmanoff?TKO?7 (10), 1:55?November 29, 1961?19 years, 316 days? Louisville, KY?
Win?9-0?Alex Miteff?TKO?6 (10), 1:45?October 7, 1961?19 years, 263 days? Louisville, KY?
Win?8-0?Alonzo Johnson?Decision (unanimous)?10 (10)?July 22, 1961?19 years, 186 days? Louisville, KY?
Win?7-0?Duke Sabedong?Decision (unanimous)?10 (10)?June 26, 1961?19 years, 160 days? Las Vegas, NV?
Win?6-0?LaMar Clark?KO?2 (10), 1:27?April 19, 1961?19 years, 92 days? Louisville, KY?
Win?5-0?Donnie Fleeman?TKO?7 (8)?February 21, 1961?19 years, 35 days? Miami Beach, FL?
Win?4-0?Jim Robinson?KO?1 (8), 1:34?February 7, 1961?19 years, 21 days? Miami Beach, FL?
Win?3-0?Tony Esperti?TKO?3 (8), 1:30?January 17, 1961?19 years, 0 days? Miami Beach, FL?
Win?2-0?Herb Siler?KO?4 (8)?December 27, 1960?18 years, 345 days? Miami Beach, FL?
Win?1-0?Tunney Hunsaker?Decision (unanimous)?6 (6)?October 29, 1960?18 years, 286 days? Louisville, KY?

Scotty's got no hope of reading that.

if sonny took a dive he did it twice

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62mac said..

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just for you scotty


Heavyweight champion
Main article: Muhammad Ali versus Sonny Liston
By late 1963 Clay had become the top contender for Sonny Liston's title. The fight was set for February 25, 1964 in Miami. Liston was an intimidating personality, a dominating fighter with a criminal past and ties to the mob. Based on Clay's uninspired performance against Jones and Cooper in his previous two fights, and Liston's destruction of former heavyweight champion Floyd Patterson in two first round knock outs, Clay was a 7???1 underdog. Despite this, Clay taunted Liston during the pre-fight buildup, dubbing him "the big ugly bear." "Liston even smells like a bear," Clay said. "After I beat him I'm going to donate him to the zoo." He declared that he would "float like a butterfly and sting like a bee," and, summarizing his strategy for avoiding Liston's assaults, said, "Your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see." Clay turned the pre-fight weigh-in into a circus, shouting at Liston that "someone is going to die at ringside tonight." Nothing like this had ever occurred in the history of boxing. Clay's pulse rate was around 120, more than double his norm of 54.[15] Most of those in attendance, apparently including Liston, thought Clay's behavior stemmed from extreme fear; some commentators wondered if he would even show up for the bout.
The outcome of the fight was one of the biggest upsets in boxing history. At the opening bell, Liston rushed at Clay, seemingly angry and looking for a quick knockout. But Clay's superior speed and mobility enabled him to elude Liston, making the champion miss wildly and look awkward. At the end of the first round Clay opened up his attack and hit Liston repeatedly with sharp jabs???to the amazement of the crowd. Liston fought better in round two, but at the beginning of the third round Clay hit Liston with a combination that buckled his knees and opened a cut under his left eye, the first time Liston had ever been cut. Clay rested in round four, but as he came to his corner at the end of the round, he began experiencing blinding pain in his eyes and asked his trainer Angelo Dundee to cut off his gloves. Dundee refused. It has been speculated that the problem was due to ointment used to seal Liston's cuts, perhaps deliberately applied by his corner to his gloves.[15] (Though not confirmed, Bert Sugar claimed that at least two of Liston's opponents also complained about their eyes 'burning'".[16]).
Despite Liston's attempts to knock out a blinded Clay, Clay was able to survive the fifth round until sweat and tears rinsed the substance from his eyes. In the sixth Clay dominated, hitting Liston virtually at will. Liston did not answer the bell for the seventh round, and Clay was declared the winner by TKO. Liston stated that the reason he quit was an injured shoulder. Following the win, a triumphant Clay rushed to the edge of the ring and, pointing to the ringside press, shouted "eat your words!" Then, during the now-infamous in-ring interview following the match, Clay shouted "I shook up the world!" "I talk to God every day." "I must be the greatest!"
When Clay won, he became the youngest boxer (22 years old) to take the title from a reigning heavyweight champion, though Floyd Patterson was the youngest to win the heavyweight championship at 21, during an elimination bout following Rocky Marciano's retirement. In 1986, 20 year-old Mike Tyson later broke both records when he defeated Trevor Berbick to win the heavyweight title.

^^^^ Weiry, I'm good for sport stories.