Doe's anyone know what the glassing spec's are for the Vintage Log From the surfboard ware house ...
Just having a bit of a worry with my one .
, Still a dam good board but not to sure how long it will last...
Cheers

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monty142 said..
Doe's anyone know what the glassing spec's are for the Vintage Log From the surfboard ware house ...
Just having a bit of a worry with my one .
, Still a dam good board but not to sure how long it will last...
Cheers

LL

I doubt that even the people who imported and sold the board to you can ever be really sure of the glassing schedule, assuming it's an imported board.

Unless you're in longlog provence, standing right beside their top glasser, Wen GoGel, watching him skillfully undertakings his craft, whilst whipping up a bloody good stir fry with the other hand, you're unlikely to ever really know with certainty.

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monty142 said...
Doe's anyone know what the glassing spec's are for the Vintage Log From the surfboard ware house ...
Just having a bit of a worry with my one .
, Still a dam good board but not to sure how long it will last...
Cheers

Double 6 top, single 6 bottom and I am pretty sure they have a tail patch.

I haven't had any problems with the glass job on my Fountain of Youth. They have a years warranty and I found them absolutely keen to support that warranty. I bought a board with a shop ding I didn't notice until I was at the beach, taped it, waxed the board and went for a surf. Despite my cheeky behaviour they still swapped it for another brand newy.

Despite the naysayers, I have found their product performs well and is robustly made, if not the most elegantly finished - but then again you could buy 3-4 of their boards for the price of some other brands.

If it's still in warranty, give them a ring, talk to Jarrod probably, and suss it out. Jarrod also hangs in the SUP room - look in the Waterborne Evoke thread to pm him. I would ring though.

The two boards I have have been solid as has another local who got one of their 8' longboards.

It's funny how no one seems to bag out Lost, JS, Channel Islands, Haydenshapes et al, but love to get stuck into a local business designing their own boards but sourcing manufacture elsewhere - just like Lost, JS, Channel Islands, Haydenshapes (except some of them aren't local businesses).

I bag them out when I get the chance Drip - just not usually on here. ! Incredible the prices they charge for essentially a disposable product - made that way on purpose. I can not get over the golf ball like deck imprints some of the top of the line PU boards are in after just a few weeks of use.

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Ted the Kiwi said...
I bag them out when I get the chance Drip - just not usually on here. ! Incredible the prices they charge for essentially a disposable product - made that way on purpose. I can not get over the golf ball like deck imprints some of the top of the line PU boards are in after just a few weeks of use.

Absolutely. One of the things I like about TSBW is they at least price their products in the disposable bracket unlike other big name brands. Another thing is some of their boards are built tough - love my double 6.

mine has hell up really well- seaplane.

had a shunt with a short boarder . tiny ding for me, snapped nose for him.

personally I would rather put more money into performance shortboards that suit me.

Im not sure how important it to have personalization on a big mal after the my seaplane experience. suppose it helps that im only 73 kegs.


different for the bigger man I would entertain

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obct said..

I doubt that even the people who imported and sold the board to you can ever be really sure of the glassing schedule, assuming it's an imported board.

Unless you're in longlog provence, standing right beside their top glasser, Wen GoGel, watching him skillfully undertakings his craft, whilst whipping up a bloody good stir fry with the other hand, you're unlikely to ever really know with certainty.

Made me think of Aussie chefs cooking Asian food and thinking they've made it with authentic taste.
It walks like a duck and smells like a duck but don't really taste like a Peking duck.

Golf balled and two cave in's after six weeks ,time to go . Bad lesson learnt .

Cheap for a reason,if its not the raw materials used its the sweat shop,so if your into supporting seat shops go right ahead.
Some people that were in the market sell up only to find getting back in too big a step.Think about it

why single out surfboards




and whos to say what conditions are.


does anyone own nothing from these places


one of the reasons 666 have gotten dearer is because the skilled labour are demanding and getting more money.


some of these people would have ten years experience now in the making of surfcraft. to suggest the little Asian chap has no idea is well racist.


think about it

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laceys lane said..


why single out surfboards




and whos to say what conditions are.


does anyone own nothing from these places


one of the reasons 666 have gotten dearer is because the skilled labour are demanding and getting more money.


some of these people would have ten years experience now in the making of surfcraft. to suggest the little Asian chap has no idea is well racist.


think about it

I can't see how my comment is racist,skilled labour yes takes a lot of skill to load up a machine and press the go button.
I rather have my boards made locally,designed and tested locally,using the the best materials CNC locally hand finished
locally but each to their own,your agument is unjust people like you should be made to work on Australia Day.

The Peaking Duck comment is a good example of why my own comments are more directed at an uneven playing field rather than A level of skill

There's a good reason why an Aussie would never make a good Peking duck, the skin of the duck must be exceptionally dry and the only way to do this is to remove it from refrigeration and hang it in the open air to dry for a day before any of the other processes are even commenced.

Under our food safety laws, that simply can't be done, but I know it is in some places because I used to manage a building in china town that was famous for its Peking duck.

Just an example of the 2 different rules, but it you're fashionable enough, I guess you could even call that comment anything you liked.

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monty142 said...
Doe's anyone know what the glassing spec's are for the Vintage Log From the surfboard ware house ...
Just having a bit of a worry with my one .
, Still a dam good board but not to sure how long it will last...
Cheers

Double 6 top, single 6 bottom and I am pretty sure they have a tail patch.

I haven't had any problems with the glass job on my Fountain of Youth. They have a years warranty and I found them absolutely keen to support that warranty. I bought a board with a shop ding I didn't notice until I was at the beach, taped it, waxed the board and went for a surf. Despite my cheeky behaviour they still swapped it for another brand newy.

Despite the naysayers, I have found their product performs well and is robustly made, if not the most elegantly finished - but then again you could buy 3-4 of their boards for the price of some other brands.

If it's still in warranty, give them a ring, talk to Jarrod probably, and suss it out. Jarrod also hangs in the SUP room - look in the Waterborne Evoke thread to pm him. I would ring though.

The two boards I have have been solid as has another local who got one of their 8' longboards.

It's funny how no one seems to bag out Lost, JS, Channel Islands, Haydenshapes et al, but love to get stuck into a local business designing their own boards but sourcing manufacture elsewhere - just like Lost, JS, Channel Islands, Haydenshapes (except some of them aren't local businesses).

If you order a Lost or CI custom they are usually glassed by the Glass lab in Sydney

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Macaha said...

laceys lane said..


why single out surfboards




and whos to say what conditions are.


does anyone own nothing from these places


one of the reasons 666 have gotten dearer is because the skilled labour are demanding and getting more money.


some of these people would have ten years experience now in the making of surfcraft. to suggest the little Asian chap has no idea is well racist.


think about it

I can't see how my comment is racist,skilled labour yes takes a lot of skill to load up a machine and press the go button.
I rather have my boards made locally,designed and tested locally,using the the best materials CNC locally hand finished
locally but each to their own,your agument is unjust people like you should be made to work on Australia Day.

Im not quoting you as racist.
You have never said that.

But it does come up a fair bit.


to be honest my local dear boards depress up as much as any other board.

in fact the green and orange were bad enough that then I looked at de waxing them I realised it wasnt a good idea.
they werent that old so im told.

ive never seen a local company ever do any thing about a faulty board blanks or glassing in my experiences. They always pass the buck.

local companies have a very long way to go in this regard

Quality of the blank over the glass job has more to do with the golf ball / caving effect I always thought. If the blank is soft it caves. If they take too much off the skin / top when shaping it it caves.

I reckon most will wind up having a 'mix' of boards.
These boards from os will get more costly without doubt.

Dont believe. Well to the guys that had sups or still do
Bet they were pop outs despite there being local companies.

And that includes my very good mate mac.

So they can't quite be the high and mighty about it can they

Lacey if local companies didn't have to pay all the government on costs,tax,super,insurance,pay rates and tax on tax they would throw the board in question in the rubbish and give you a new one,different playing field. Peace and Love. I'm 40 kgs heaver than you and rarely have any on my thousand boards do what you claim,I suggest you stop sleeping with them

But hey I'm a DH ,GT just told me so


I've never knocked pop outs in sup's they are a good thing and at the beginning thats all that was ever available,now some local guys are making a great board,I'd has a DC or Deep any day if I was into it but I also like the Naish,NSP,Fanatic,SIC to name a few.
There will be no winner in this debate.

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Ted the Kiwi said..
Quality of the blank over the glass job has more to do with the golf ball / caving effect I always thought. If the blank is soft it caves. If they take too much off the skin / top when shaping it it caves.

Beat me too it Ted...generally off the shelf boards are made with the lowest denisty blanks and the lightest glass they think they can get away with this means the board feels good in the shop but generally wont last as long

A brief overview of foam PU density from surf blanks below there are also some foam forluma's that work better on CNC and others that are easier if you work by hand


Density colour name/date of introdcution/Surfblanks original name.

Pink Foam 2008 - 1.82 lb cu ft developed into an impressive (very) core in 2010 when the Super Strong formula emerged. 2013 sees steady sales growth of this foam as makers realise its potential.

Surfblanks Yellow has never been matched for weight/strength anywhere in the world by any surfboard foam maker. It's easy to imagine how special Surfblanks Pink foam is. Primarily paddle speed is greatly enhanced, then manuevre response is found to be awesome. No EPS/epoxy hassles with this foam.

Yellow Foam 1998 (Elektrafoam) - 1.98 lb cu ft (approx minimum, without stringer) - Has developed substantially since 2002. Cell size is down and compression strength is up. As of 2006 Surfblanks has been making increasing numbers of blanks from this foam. Blanks made from this foam are always glued with yellow glue for identification purposes. In 2007, formulation changes made Yellow Foam easier to produce. The 25% surcharge has been removed.EPS/Epoxy users are turning to Yellow Foam since it avoids all the preparation required for an EPS blank. Finished weights are on par if not better. The buckle and crush strength of Yellow Foam dramatically exceeds that of EPS at a similar weight.

Green Foam 1990 (Hyperlight) - 2.14 lb cu ft (approx) - Widely used for team rider's shortboards, Green will produce what might be considered the lightest urethane foam surfboard on the planet. The popularity of this foam continues to grow even though the life of the finished surfboard may be short. It is rarely used in longboards. Always glued with green glue for identification.

Blue Foam 1985 (Megalight) - 2.31 lb cu ft (approx) - The 'all time' favourite foam for shortboards. High paddling buoyancy and lively surfing response on a wave make this foam the choice of hard core to recreational surfers. Needs a really good glass job so as not to dent.Red Foam 1972 (Ultralight) - 2.49 lb cu ft (approx) - This is the Median Density (base) foam when all blanks made by Surfblanks Australia are averaged out for density choice by all customers. It is desirable that blanks for shaping machines be made from this foam where cutting will significantly reduce the original blank volume.

Red Foam in shortboards is considered excellent for compression strength and once glassed is approximately equivalent in weight to, 1.Clark Supergreen, 2.Burford Green, 3.Bennett Green. This comparison is offered as a guide for first time Surfblanks users. Red Foam in longboards is considered very light and buoyant. However, Surfblanks encourages manufacturers to choose Black Foam instead for the reasons below.There are cutting edge manufacturers who make most of their shortboards from Blue Foam and their team rider boards from Green Foam. By comparison, more conservative manufacturers feel that dent free longboards should be made from either Black or Orange Foam. It is also true that these heavier foams require less glass and thus a saving is made.

Black Foam 1995 (Superlight) - 2.59 lb cu ft (approx) - Is an unique mid range density (not the full 8% heavier). This allows for a compromise density (not too heavy and not too soft) for longboards. Black Foam is often used in shortboards where over shaping may occur.

Orange Foam 1968 (Lightweight) - 2.69 lb cu ft (approx) - A strong, very even density foam used in longboards or thicker section shapes where distortion at the edge extremities must be avoided over long periods of temperature and time. This foam was very popular in the early 1970s and is now popular again for use in kite boards.

Purple Foam (Regularweight) - 2.91 lb cu ft (approx) - The original 1960's malibu (longboard) foam. This foam as a blank used to be glassed with two layers of ten ounce on the deck and one layer of ten on the bottom. Weight and strength.

Gold Foam 2004 (Classic) - 3.14 lb cu ft (approx) - Heavy and very solid. Great for that indestructible longboard blank. This foam is now popular for tow in blanks.

Silver Foam 2004 (Skimboard) - 3.39 lb cu ft (approx) - Very heavy and very solid. Silver Foam was specifically designed for skimboards, has been used in tow boards, and is basically the first of Surfblanks block foam densities.

Never a truer word.

I tell you who is the worst for cheap boards.

Its that towball.

Going over to Australia to get his cheap mctavish boards
Not supporting the local industry.

Hes a very bad man

Hey tux. A few years ago dale got some green tinted or coloured eps foam.

Made some very light boards from these.

Is this the green foam you posted?

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laceys lane said..
Hey tux. A few years ago dale got some green tinted or coloured eps foam.

Made some very light boards from these.

Is this the green foam you posted?

hey bro not sure...if it came from surfblanks it would just have green glue along the stringer the above is just a guide as each manufacturer has there own standard and classification...

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Tux said...

laceys lane said..
Hey tux. A few years ago dale got some green tinted or coloured eps foam.

Made some very light boards from these.

Is this the green foam you posted?

hey bro not sure...if it came from surfblanks it would just have green glue along the stringer the above is just a guide as each manufacturer has there own standard and classification...

Came as a block.

Very bubbley like- beads . Hard to shape.

Have seen it again

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laceys lane said..

Tux said...

laceys lane said..
Hey tux. A few years ago dale got some green tinted or coloured eps foam.

Made some very light boards from these.

Is this the green foam you posted?

hey bro not sure...if it came from surfblanks it would just have green glue along the stringer the above is just a guide as each manufacturer has there own standard and classification...

Came as a block.

Very bubbley like- beads . Hard to shape.

Have seen it again

You can order blanks or blocks with a colour already through them....sounds like it was just a standard block of superlight EPS...the lighter that stuff gets the more bubbly it becomes...if people are worried about paying to much for boards just do what Ryan burch does and ride a piece of foam off cut no fiberglass required...seems to work pretty well

In my old industry we had serious laws and regulations all health related toxic materials which we all had to abide by,the cheap imported product had no such regulations on them at the time,when asked what type of foam was being used you would never receive an answer. Is the surfing industry the same?

My experience is there is nothing wrong with strength of the boards, the warranty is supported, and the boards go really really well.

Not everyone can afford a $2000 board.

^ I can afford it, just don't think it is value for money....

Plenty of great shapers around that do great work for a fair price...

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Macaha said..
In my old industry we had serious laws and regulations all health related toxic materials which we all had to abide by,the cheap imported product had no such regulations on them at the time,when asked what type of foam was being used you would never receive an answer. Is the surfing industry the same?

Pretty sure the basic materials are the same...probably the safe handling stuff if not followed as strictly or at all

Each foam company has there own formula fro foam blowing as well and I have heard that the foam blown in SE asia generally not as good quality as the stuff is australia for whatever reason its seems that the blanks are a bit heavier and a lot softer....resins produced OS seem to very as well from all acounts

The overseas popouts have there place. But why spend $600 or so on a board that will be stuffed within 2 years. No re-sale. There are lots of smaller local shapers that will do you a board to last. Spend more and get what you pay for!

I have had some pretty robust discussions with a fella who runs one of the big SE producers of boards and he said it's a real challenge blowing the foam as the temp and humidity changes means you are continually adjusting the formula to produce a good blank. He also said that the actual process of blowing foam is very very dangerous. Trying to get his staff to wear appropriate safety gear is a major battle every day ! In terms of glassing be said the cheaper brands and expensive ones are pretty much all done exactly the same.

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monty142 said..
Doe's anyone know what the glassing spec's are for the Vintage Log From the surfboard ware house ...
Just having a bit of a worry with my one .
, Still a dam good board but not to sure how long it will last...
Cheers

6 X 6 X 6 with a knee mid section layer.
mine served me well when I had it. Soooo much fun. I had the 10'0"" great on the small days.
remember that the 6 oz is a different weave to the 4 oz can be prone to a little softness pending on manufacture.