Thinking of getting a set of future controllers for a wide tailed quad, only 6'8. any one used them and have any opinions?

And anyone know where I can get reasonably priced fins online, not keen to pay $180 for them in a shop over here, looks like getting them sent from the US is the cheapest way?

Thanks

This is akin to importing chinese boards, some love 'em, some want to "keep it local".

I've had a good experience with Indo Fins, they're in Bali and a set of their Hypes, which are very, very similar to FCS H2 fins were $50 for a quad set, plus delivery.

Check 'em on Ebay or look them up in your favourite search engine.

(Disclaimer - I have no affiliation, just a good experience)

Michael

Thanks, wasn't looking for knock off ones, just didn't want to pay retail even through a mates surf shop they are pretty dear, I can get a set from the states for $100 delivered so thinking I'll go that way.

Edit.... I looked at that site, they seem like they are all for FCS plugs, do you know if the make fins to fit futures.

try the short board forum they will should have more knowlege

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asea said...

try the short board forum they will should have more knowlege

shut up goofie

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62mac said...

asea said...

try the short board forum they will should have more knowlege

shut up goofie

whats you're imput old cock

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SP said...

Thanks, wasn't looking for knock off ones, just didn't want to pay retail even through a mates surf shop they are pretty dear, I can get a set from the states for $100 delivered so thinking I'll go that way.

Edit.... I looked at that site, they seem like they are all for FCS plugs, do you know if the make fins to fit futures.

You can get shims to get a snug fit if they're a tad loose

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asea said...

62mac said...

asea said...

try the short board forum they will should have more knowlege

shut up goofie

whats you're imput old cock

Futures unreal my son loves them my bank balance doesn't
I'll just keep use the ones made in Australia by the best fin dude
around

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62mac said...

asea said...

62mac said...

asea said...

try the short board forum they will should have more knowlege

shut up goofie

whats you're imput old cock

Futures unreal my son loves them my bank balance doesn't
I'll just keep use the ones made in Australia by the best fin dude
around

Who's that Mac? Shapers?

So I can get them basically for half the price if I get them from the US, $180 ish around here and $100 delivered from the US, can any 1 explain this, I know it isn't profit gouging, my mate who owns a shop can't even get them for the price the are available online. Just seems weird....

Fin guru question

A lot of futures have an inside foil on there fins Any thought on whether the inside foils is good, bad or makes no difference, my other thought was just to get some non foiled fins and replace the rears with similar size to the front and keep the foiled fins on the front.

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SP said...


Edit.... I looked at that site, they seem like they are all for FCS plugs, do you know if the make fins to fit futures.

Dunno, email Dylan at Indo, he may just be able to do it.

Michael

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SP said...

Fin guru question

A lot of futures have an inside foil on there fins Any thought on whether the inside foils is good, bad or makes no difference, my other thought was just to get some non foiled fins and replace the rears with similar size to the front and keep the foiled fins on the front.

I have gone off the inside concave fins as they tend to slow you down a bit, I use the normal flat type of fin on my standard short board but in my channel bottom I use the inside concave fins, helps it turn a bit better I think

I dont why FCS called them inside foil as it realy hasnt got anything to do with foil

This the best controller I ever used. Behold the Atari 2600. Asteroids, Missile Command, Pacman, Frogger. Wish I still had it.

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doggie said...

SP said...

Fin guru question

A lot of futures have an inside foil on there fins Any thought on whether the inside foils is good, bad or makes no difference, my other thought was just to get some non foiled fins and replace the rears with similar size to the front and keep the foiled fins on the front.

I have gone off the inside concave fins as they tend to slow you down a bit, I use the normal flat type of fin on my standard short board but in my channel bottom I use the inside concave fins, helps it turn a bit better I think

I dont why FCS called them inside foil as it realy hasnt got anything to do with foil

Your feedback here is basically opposite to what 99% of people feel.

The correct name is a cambered foil but who would remember that?

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CMC said...

doggie said...

SP said...

Fin guru question

A lot of futures have an inside foil on there fins Any thought on whether the inside foils is good, bad or makes no difference, my other thought was just to get some non foiled fins and replace the rears with similar size to the front and keep the foiled fins on the front.

I have gone off the inside concave fins as they tend to slow you down a bit, I use the normal flat type of fin on my standard short board but in my channel bottom I use the inside concave fins, helps it turn a bit better I think

I dont why FCS called them inside foil as it realy hasnt got anything to do with foil

Your feedback here is basically opposite to what 99% of people feel.

The correct name is a cambered foil but who would remember that?

Am I wrong CMC? Its what I feel from the rear of the board. The DHDs have a flat side and have a fair bit of flex, the feel like they give heaps of drive but the flex males them feel, not lose but really, um, nice. Thats it, all Ive got

No wrongs or rights. Best way is to compare to identical templates ideally in the same materials one with and without the foil. Hard to do I guess. Some people love inside foils as they effectively smooth it out, harder to slide and provide more hold for the size. Some go down a template with them. Flat sided fins turn more square and are more likely to slip as they fail. The technical terminology is that the IF fins can deal with a greater angle of attack before they stall or fail.

I love those DH fins by the way, I have 3 or 4 sets. I have the original prototypes that are my favourite fins. Been using some full glass MF templates though in my favourite board.

I need a new shorty, mine is slowly dying. Geez I love that board.

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No wrongs or rights. Best way is to compare to identical templates ideally in the same materials one with and without the foil. Hard to do I guess. Some people love inside foils as they effectively smooth it out, harder to slide and provide more hold for the size. Some go down a template with them. Flat sided fins turn more square and are more likely to slip as they fail. The technical terminology is that the IF fins can deal with a greater angle of attack before they stall or fail.

I love those DH fins by the way, I have 3 or 4 sets. I have the original prototypes that are my favourite fins. Been using some full glass MF templates though in my favourite board.

I need a new shorty, mine is slowly dying. Geez I love that board.

Yeah thanks for the input boys. First quad I have owned so guess that takes some getting used to as well

The current fins seem to increase in speed through turns, I also currently have smaller fins in the back than the front so board feels like it picks up speed easily then seems really loose when you pivot. Is it a case of drive from the fronts and pivot from the rear fins?

Doggie in another post you said something about size, do you mean height and base or area, cause the futures with the camber have larger area for the same (height & base) size fin, the camber ( thanks CMC) increase the actual area cause it's curved not flat Hence why I think CMC says people are going down in size compared to no cambered fins but height correct me on that.

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CMC said...

No wrongs or rights. Best way is to compare to identical templates ideally in the same materials one with and without the foil. Hard to do I guess. Some people love inside foils as they effectively smooth it out, harder to slide and provide more hold for the size. Some go down a template with them. Flat sided fins turn more square and are more likely to slip as they fail. The technical terminology is that the IF fins can deal with a greater angle of attack before they stall or fail.

I love those DH fins by the way, I have 3 or 4 sets. I have the original prototypes that are my favourite fins. Been using some full glass MF templates though in my favourite board.

I need a new shorty, mine is slowly dying. Geez I love that board.

Yeah thanks for the input boys. First quad I have owned so guess that takes some getting used to as well

The current fins seem to increase in speed through turns, I also currently have smaller fins in the back than the front so board feels like it picks up speed easily then seems really loose when you pivot. Is it a case of drive from the fronts and pivot from the rear fins?

Doggie in another post you said something about size, do you mean height and base or area, cause the futures with the camber have larger area for the same (height & base) size fin, the camber ( thanks CMC) increase the actual area cause it's curved not flat Hence why I think CMC says people are going down in size compared to no cambered fins but height correct me on that.

I guess its a feel thing as CMC has said, I feel different to the way other people see It I guess. With size Im more talking about the base of the fin eg large base more drive but not as easy to turn small base less drive but will turn and slide easier.
Ive got a box of fins to choose from so I play around with them a bit

Nice box of toys,

Yeah, I always worked off base and height but I was reading somewhere and it made sense that since the futures are curved instead of flat they have a larger area than the same base and height fin.

But you're 100% right it's all about feel.

Not sure if it's correct but to me the quad seems to pivot more off the back fins and the current ones just seem to small

Just ordered a set of controllers to see how they go, got a pretty good deal so if they suck they'll be on eBay soon also getting some flat foiled fins off a mate to try in the back.

The relationship with camber relates to efficiency and lift.

If you imagine the wing on a plane.

Wings are cambered, the net result of air flowing over and around them creates lift that keeps the plane in the air. They are not flat on one side like a surfboard fin, a plane with this kind of wing would not fly. It would not have enough lift.

Now imagine the wing is turned vertical rather than horizontal. This is your surfboard fin. The lift is now horizontal outwards away from the rail of your board. Cambered fins (rather than flat sided) produce more lift per the size of the fin blade (wing). This is why you can reduce size and have the same amount of hold or lift.

Most planes also have winglets that make the wing far more efficient by reducing tip vortex but that is another argument and another lesson.

Hope that makes sense.

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doggie said...

Pffft......

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CMC said...

The relationship with camber relates to efficiency and lift.

If you imagine the wing on a plane.

Wings are cambered, the net result of air flowing over and around them creates lift that keeps the plane in the air. They are not flat on one side like a surfboard fin, a plane with this kind of wing would not fly. It would not have enough lift.

Now imagine the wing is turned vertical rather than horizontal. This is your surfboard fin. The lift is now horizontal outwards away from the rail of your board. Cambered fins (rather than flat sided) produce more lift per the size of the fin blade (wing). This is why you can reduce size and have the same amount of hold or lift.

Most planes also have winglets that make the wing far more efficient by reducing tip vortex but that is another argument and another lesson.

Hope that makes sense.

Yep sure does. Thanks.


And on the vortex tip thing is that what the FCS with the keel tip is trying to achieve ? I.e. Increased efficiency and lift

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SP said...

CMC said...

The relationship with camber relates to efficiency and lift.

If you imagine the wing on a plane.

Wings are cambered, the net result of air flowing over and around them creates lift that keeps the plane in the air. They are not flat on one side like a surfboard fin, a plane with this kind of wing would not fly. It would not have enough lift.

Now imagine the wing is turned vertical rather than horizontal. This is your surfboard fin. The lift is now horizontal outwards away from the rail of your board. Cambered fins (rather than flat sided) produce more lift per the size of the fin blade (wing). This is why you can reduce size and have the same amount of hold or lift.

Most planes also have winglets that make the wing far more efficient by reducing tip vortex but that is another argument and another lesson.

Hope that makes sense.

Yep sure does. Thanks.


And on the vortex tip thing is that what the FCS with the keel tip is trying to achieve ? I.e. Increased efficiency and lift

Not the 3d red tip as symettrical (centre) fins do not have vortex. The 3ds fins may be interpreted in this way. I am not sure how much we feel it though.

If you are designing an A380 and trying to work out how to make wings with enough lift within the width constraints of airports around the world you would want to know about it though.

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doggie said...

Pffft......

Ha! Just cos you have 10000 sets of fins

Not that many, I sold some to Simondo...... Hahaha.

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Not that many, I sold some to Simondo...... Hahaha.