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Nautalis? Can't quite see the dime but i reckon thats where i'm going if I surfed bigger stuff... They look unreal and even better in the flesh

6'10 x 21.25 x. 2.75. Not sure it will be ridden in anything to big. It' pretty fishy just stretched with the wide point moved back a bit. Not as gunny as my bonzer.

I was surprised how chunky they are through the middle.
The nose is foiled down, as is the tail but it's still wide on the arse.

From looking at them I'd say the c bucket would handle anything it would. Nautilus has heaps more nose rocker though and quad should get it moving.

Keen to give it a run but been flat lately.

Sounds like you are loving the Lizzy.

Listened to the Christenson podcast today and he was saying he likes to nail down designs then just roll with it and tries not to make major tweaks.

Says he designed the c bucket in about 2000 and hasn't changed a single thing on it since then.

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Listened to the Christenson podcast today and he was saying he likes to nail down designs then just roll with it and tries not to make major tweaks.

Says he designed the c bucket in about 2000 and hasn't changed a single thing on it since then.

Totally, loved that podcast Ep. The quality in his boards is really obvious...

I am actually talking to a local shaper about making a cross between the FT and the Lizzy, basically a FT with a bit more nose rocker in the 8' range. trying to pick up on the better wave catching of the FT for smaller days also fixing the nose rocker issue and creating a bit more hold that the Lizzy has for noseriding... Kinda flattening the rocker of the Lizzy a tad and retaining a bit more width through the tail for wave catching... trying to balance everything off...

The guys got loads of experience and has really sound understanding of hydrodynamic principles, should be interesting to see how she ends up

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AndyrooMac said..

McHenry said..
Listened to the Christenson podcast today and he was saying he likes to nail down designs then just roll with it and tries not to make major tweaks.

Says he designed the c bucket in about 2000 and hasn't changed a single thing on it since then.

Totally, loved that podcast Ep. The quality in his boards is really obvious...

I am actually talking to a local shaper about making a cross between the FT and the Lizzy, basically a FT with a bit more nose rocker in the 8' range. trying to pick up on the better wave catching of the FT for smaller days also fixing the nose rocker issue and creating a bit more hold that the Lizzy has for noseriding... Kinda flattening the rocker of the Lizzy a tad and retaining a bit more width through the tail for wave catching... trying to balance everything off...

The guys got loads of experience and has really sound understanding of hydrodynamic principles, should be interesting to see how she ends up

Hey Andy, I had a vouch evo which I rode over summer and it's a really nice shape. Kinda like what you're describing, Bit more of thumb tail, single fin only...

that said, I sold it to fund a 7'2 thick Lizzy from Ryan which was shaped with yours. I wanted to get that bonzer feeling back in my life but haven't really given it a good run yet because I only had a 9" single fin.... and it's been flat for weeks!

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onefin said..

AndyrooMac said..

McHenry said..
Listened to the Christenson podcast today and he was saying he likes to nail down designs then just roll with it and tries not to make major tweaks.

Says he designed the c bucket in about 2000 and hasn't changed a single thing on it since then.

Totally, loved that podcast Ep. The quality in his boards is really obvious...

I am actually talking to a local shaper about making a cross between the FT and the Lizzy, basically a FT with a bit more nose rocker in the 8' range. trying to pick up on the better wave catching of the FT for smaller days also fixing the nose rocker issue and creating a bit more hold that the Lizzy has for noseriding... Kinda flattening the rocker of the Lizzy a tad and retaining a bit more width through the tail for wave catching... trying to balance everything off...

The guys got loads of experience and has really sound understanding of hydrodynamic principles, should be interesting to see how she ends up

Hey Andy, I had a vouch evo which I rode over summer and it's a really nice shape. Kinda like what you're describing, Bit more of thumb tail, single fin only...

that said, I sold it to fund a 7'2 thick Lizzy from Ryan which was shaped with yours. I wanted to get that bonzer feeling back in my life but haven't really given it a good run yet because I only had a 9" single fin.... and it's been flat for weeks!

Awesome... and yeah, 9' would be way to big, i'm running a 7.5' on my 7"7' and I reckon I could go shorter even because of the refined tail. I'm skeptical that the bonzer fins will actually improve it. From a Hydrodynamic pov anything extra you put on the board creates drag, thats why Chris has those super fine rails on the tail so you can use smaller fins and reduce drag/increase speed. Side fins are to improve turning but the thing turns unreal so.... anyways... we'll see when I finally get the fins I guess... you should nearly have yours as the fins have arrived at GC

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onefin said..

AndyrooMac said..

McHenry said..
Listened to the Christenson podcast today and he was saying he likes to nail down designs then just roll with it and tries not to make major tweaks.

Says he designed the c bucket in about 2000 and hasn't changed a single thing on it since then.

Totally, loved that podcast Ep. The quality in his boards is really obvious...

I am actually talking to a local shaper about making a cross between the FT and the Lizzy, basically a FT with a bit more nose rocker in the 8' range. trying to pick up on the better wave catching of the FT for smaller days also fixing the nose rocker issue and creating a bit more hold that the Lizzy has for noseriding... Kinda flattening the rocker of the Lizzy a tad and retaining a bit more width through the tail for wave catching... trying to balance everything off...

The guys got loads of experience and has really sound understanding of hydrodynamic principles, should be interesting to see how she ends up

Hey Andy, I had a vouch evo which I rode over summer and it's a really nice shape. Kinda like what you're describing, Bit more of thumb tail, single fin only...

that said, I sold it to fund a 7'2 thick Lizzy from Ryan which was shaped with yours. I wanted to get that bonzer feeling back in my life but haven't really given it a good run yet because I only had a 9" single fin.... and it's been flat for weeks!

Awesome... and yeah, 9' would be way to big, i'm running a 7.5' on my 7"7' and I reckon I could go shorter even because of the refined tail. I'm skeptical that the bonzer fins will actually improve it. From a Hydrodynamic pov anything extra you put on the board creates drag, thats why Chris has those super fine rails on the tail so you can use smaller fins and reduce drag/increase speed. Side fins are to improve turning but the thing turns unreal so.... anyways... we'll see when I finally get the fins I guess... you should nearly have yours as the fins have arrived at GC

Yeah mate got my fins, I am hoping for the bonzer speed through turns. I understand what you're saying about drag but bonzers are fast with the right bottom contour.

Agree love the easy speed a bonzer generates.

For me the bonzer Generates speed easier then a single.
The little bit of zip out of the turn and ability to hold a high line for longer generates more down the line speed

Singles are great if you're going straight but soon as you want to turn multi fins give you something to turn off and generate speed. Simon called it a thruster for a reason.

Always remember reading somewhere that every turn besides a bottom turn is a decelerating turn on a single.

Does the Lizzy have a bonzer like concave in the bottom?

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McHenry said..
Listened to the Christenson podcast today and he was saying he likes to nail down designs then just roll with it and tries not to make major tweaks.

Says he designed the c bucket in about 2000 and hasn't changed a single thing on it since then.

Yeah. I forgot about it been listening to it over the last few days. Good listen.

As for the c bucket, hard to improve on perfection...

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Agree love the easy speed a bonzer generates.

For me the bonzer Generates speed easier then a single.
The little bit of zip out of the turn and ability to hold a high line for longer generates more down the line speed

Singles are great if you're going straight but soon as you want to turn multi fins give you something to turn off and generate speed. Simon called it a thruster for a reason.

Always remember reading somewhere that every turn besides a bottom turn is a decelerating turn on a single.

Does the Lizzy have a bonzer like concave in the bottom?

Hey SP, yeah they have a bonzer like bottom, not as pronounced as malcolm's But the first thick Lizzy was a 7'10 with glassed on sides. I totally agree with your summary and got the Lizzy with sides to turn off and generate speed through the turn. I have a beautiful gato her?i which I use for those good sized clean days where I am less concerned about turning and more concerned about highlining and making it!

here is the link to the first one: pcprogress.blogspot.com/2015/08/thick-lizzy.html?m=1

Anyways, looking forward to giving them a run

Nice, which Gato do you have. Acid?

Keen to hear how the Lizzy goes with the new fins. That one in the clip looks like it has a very low rocker.

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SP said..

McHenry said..
Listened to the Christenson podcast today and he was saying he likes to nail down designs then just roll with it and tries not to make major tweaks.

Says he designed the c bucket in about 2000 and hasn't changed a single thing on it since then.

Yeah. I forgot about it been listening to it over the last few days. Good listen.

As for the c bucket, hard to improve on perfection...

Link to podcast?
thks

I was totally going single fin with my Lizzy but Ryan talked me into the Bonzer, reckons it absolutely flies with it so i'm pretty keen to see how it goes.

The Ryan Lovelace edition of Shaping Surfing is a cracker podcast, and that whole series... Really love the Andreini ep and I think that would be my next mid length, next time we go to the states I think i'll be bringing a Vaquero back with me for sure.

The Christenson podcast is in The Boardroom podast series, also well worth a listen. That whole Surf Splendor network are really good listens... even if Chas is a fkcn tool.

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Nice, which Gato do you have. Acid?

Keen to hear how the Lizzy goes with the new fins. That one in the clip looks like it has a very low rocker.

Yeah mate, it's an acid. Beautiful board.

yeah the Lizzy has a low rocker, I am curious to hear Andy's thoughts as his is a bit longer than mine. The drought has broken up here and I have given it a run in waist to chest high waves.

it feels good thus far, a really good alrounder and I am looking forward to getting it out in something bigger. I love single fins but I am a bonzer zealot.

what I like is the ability to get in early, the trim and the board is more agile than its length suggests. Good off the bottom & top when the bonzer squirt kicks in. That's what I feel, I have received some compliments from the local crew who I Surf with regularly.

have you got your fins yet Andy? Any thoughts?

There was a real nice Gato Spacepig on GT a few weeks back and I was pretty tempted but I haven't seen one in the flesh, heard good things though...

I'm planning a trip tomorrow chasing some better waves for the Lizzy, still only running as a single though...

Hopefully after that trip I have enough to write a small review.

Some real nice Midlength stuff here at Rincon 1968, well worth a watch

www.facebook.com/timothy.c.sullivan1/videos/10155882079059605/?t=355

You guys are talking my kind of boards!!

This is the 8 footer I shaped in lieu of not really having enough money to order a Lizzy... We've been having that flat spell lately too so it's only been out in small stuff. Although this morning saw a few head high sets, I had unwittingly put the super narrow Liddle flex fin in, and right at the front of the box, couple of interesting moments that's for sure.

I too prefer running just the single, tending to use sides for the bite and little bit of extra security they provide when pushing the range of a given board upwards rather than for any 'thrust' they might provide. Haven't tried sides in this board yet but have a few sizes to choose from, all small to very small, see last photo. My fins look a bit crappy because I don't really care how they look but they are all foiled very carefully and I can control the flex quite well with the glassed timber core. I have just a lovelace Alkali and a FFC Liddle as comparisons to ensure I'm not heading off into the wilderness on my own path.

Andy, I'll be shifting down to Tas soon so we might be able to hook up for a bit of midlength madness.

Great threat boys I know nothing about them but enjoying.

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You guys are talking my kind of boards!!

This is the 8 footer I shaped in lieu of not really having enough money to order a Lizzy... We've been having that flat spell lately too so it's only been out in small stuff. Although this morning saw a few head high sets, I had unwittingly put the super narrow Liddle flex fin in, and right at the front of the box, couple of interesting moments that's for sure.

I too prefer running just the single, tending to use sides for the bite and little bit of extra security they provide when pushing the range of a given board upwards rather than for any 'thrust' they might provide. Haven't tried sides in this board yet but have a few sizes to choose from, all small to very small, see last photo. My fins look a bit crappy because I don't really care how they look but they are all foiled very carefully and I can control the flex quite well with the glassed timber core. I have just a lovelace Alkali and a FFC Liddle as comparisons to ensure I'm not heading off into the wilderness on my own path.

Andy, I'll be shifting down to Tas soon so we might be able to hook up for a bit of midlength madness.

That looks beautiful salty! Please keep us updated...... and your fin collection/options look epic!

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There was a real nice Gato Spacepig on GT a few weeks back and I was pretty tempted but I haven't seen one in the flesh, heard good things though...

I'm planning a trip tomorrow chasing some better waves for the Lizzy, still only running as a single though...

Hopefully after that trip I have enough to write a small review.

Actually Andy, I have a 3 board quiver the Lizzy, Gato Acid and a 9" Gato Space pig! The piggy is my longboard small wave option but I have ridden it in some good point waves at Kirra, greenie & Byron. It's an awesome board, I like it because it's really foiled, and a trim machine which can jam a turn. It's not really a nose rider but neither am I, it can cheater 5 beautifully tho

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You guys are talking my kind of boards!!

This is the 8 footer I shaped in lieu of not really having enough money to order a Lizzy... We've been having that flat spell lately too so it's only been out in small stuff. Although this morning saw a few head high sets, I had unwittingly put the super narrow Liddle flex fin in, and right at the front of the box, couple of interesting moments that's for sure.

I too prefer running just the single, tending to use sides for the bite and little bit of extra security they provide when pushing the range of a given board upwards rather than for any 'thrust' they might provide. Haven't tried sides in this board yet but have a few sizes to choose from, all small to very small, see last photo. My fins look a bit crappy because I don't really care how they look but they are all foiled very carefully and I can control the flex quite well with the glassed timber core. I have just a lovelace Alkali and a FFC Liddle as comparisons to ensure I'm not heading off into the wilderness on my own path.

Andy, I'll be shifting down to Tas soon so we might be able to hook up for a bit of midlength madness.

Thats a nice looking sled dude, great work there.

What part of Tas are you moving too? and yeah, let me know when you get here and we'll surf...

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AndyrooMac said..
There was a real nice Gato Spacepig on GT a few weeks back and I was pretty tempted but I haven't seen one in the flesh, heard good things though...

I'm planning a trip tomorrow chasing some better waves for the Lizzy, still only running as a single though...

Hopefully after that trip I have enough to write a small review.

Actually Andy, I have a 3 board quiver the Lizzy, Gato Acid and a 9" Gato Space pig! The piggy is my longboard small wave option but I have ridden it in some good point waves at Kirra, greenie & Byron. It's an awesome board, I like it because it's really foiled, and a trim machine which can jam a turn. It's not really a nose rider but neither am I, it can cheater 5 beautifully tho

Nice... yeah, i do like the idea of that board... I think once i have an 8'2" ish board my quiver will be really nicely rounded out for my style of surfing... will be my point break board, would be perfect for yesterday, and yesterday WAS UNREAL BTW... Bruny Island is such a fckn magical place... where it wasn't quite big enough for the Lizzy but wasn't really noseriders for the log, still rode the log as she glides beautifully and had a ball but the 8'2" would have been the board...

Current quiver is:
10' Clearwater Hot Log, Noserider (would prefer 9'6" but, shes a sick one)
7'7" Lovelace Lizzy (My absolute fave BTW)
6'4" Christianson Fish

Thanks guys, I think this 8 footer is working out really well. It's a bit of a lump at 3.5" thick! but it does fine down a lot at the rails so I don't even notice other than the extra paddle power. (and when duckdiving!)

Andy, I'm shifting to Eaglehawk Neck, seems like there's plenty of surf options within reach of there.... Not for a few months yet but I'll give a heads up when I'm there for sure.

Onefin, I looked up the Gato Acid, what an awesome looking board!


As long as we're talking quivers..... Three is the magic number I think. Mine are all pretty similar, very much a refinement of a theme that's been going on for me for quite a while. Each board I just tweak the rocker a little, change the bottom shape a tad, fine out or fatten up the rails a bit etc etc.
Next for me will be a better one board travel board. I took the 7'2'er (below) travelling last year for three months, Everything from double overhead reefs to mushy beaches. It was great for whenever there was size and punch but really lacking when things got small and weak, which always seems to be pretty often wherever you are I reckon. Next time I'll compromise the upper end for a bit more zip when it's gutless. (...and probably get absolutely creamed as a result.)

Here's my three, they all live in different places so no photo all together I'm afraid, this shows the shapes better anyhow. They're all variations on the convex hull to triplane with concaves theme.

7'2 x 21
7'6 x 22
8'0 x 22

Andy, did you get your special Lizzy fins? What type/size of fins are they?

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Andy, did you get your special Lizzy fins? What type/size of fins are they?

Still haven't arrived...

Eagle Hawk is a nice area, The neck has a decent beach break and then there's another nice beach break at Roaring... Not far from Shippies actually... There's a handful of secret spots down there as well... Marions aka The Boneyard is close, thats probably the best wave in Tassie and one of the best waves in Australia if you are talking RH Heaving Barrels, I don't surf it anymore as the crowd factor is pretty mental...

Boards look siiick btw, very much in the Tak Howard Special shape

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Andy, did you get your special Lizzy fins? What type/size of fins are they?

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Andy, did you get your special Lizzy fins? What type/size of fins are they?

Here are mine fellas

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Thanks guys, I think this 8 footer is working out really well. It's a bit of a lump at 3.5" thick! but it does fine down a lot at the rails so I don't even notice other than the extra paddle power. (and when duckdiving!)

Andy, I'm shifting to Eaglehawk Neck, seems like there's plenty of surf options within reach of there.... Not for a few months yet but I'll give a heads up when I'm there for sure.

Onefin, I looked up the Gato Acid, what an awesome looking board!


As long as we're talking quivers..... Three is the magic number I think. Mine are all pretty similar, very much a refinement of a theme that's been going on for me for quite a while. Each board I just tweak the rocker a little, change the bottom shape a tad, fine out or fatten up the rails a bit etc etc.
Next for me will be a better one board travel board. I took the 7'2'er (below) travelling last year for three months, Everything from double overhead reefs to mushy beaches. It was great for whenever there was size and punch but really lacking when things got small and weak, which always seems to be pretty often wherever you are I reckon. Next time I'll compromise the upper end for a bit more zip when it's gutless. (...and probably get absolutely creamed as a result.)

Here's my three, they all live in different places so no photo all together I'm afraid, this shows the shapes better anyhow. They're all variations on the convex hull to triplane with concaves theme.

7'2 x 21
7'6 x 22
8'0 x 22

Those boards look beautiful Salty! You have talent, I d be all over those. The Lizzy has a tri plane hull, May be you can bonzer one up!!!

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saltyheaven said..
Andy, did you get your special Lizzy fins? What type/size of fins are they?

saltyheaven said..
Andy, did you get your special Lizzy fins? What type/size of fins are they?

Here are mine fellas

Looks siiiiiick... cant wait to get mine

I'm hoping the average Tasmanian idea of a mental crowd is a bit different to someone from Sydney's Northern Beaches! Maybe not - I can rarely be bothered with crowds either, I'd rather surf lower quality waves with fewer people.

Think the HSM is a bit straighter in the outline and curvier in the rocker than mine, but for sure there's a similarity.

The tail end of that Lizzy does look fine indeed! Are they just standard front fins from a 5 fin bonzer set? They look set quite far aft too which is interesting.

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onefin said.. Maybe you can bonzer one up!!!

I've got plugs for sides on the 7'2er and the 8'0er. I call them half-bonzer, but do my best to keep the boards feeling as single fin-ish as possible even when I run sides so maybe the moniker is not very accurate.

I ran like this today, just to see how it felt...

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I'm hoping the average Tasmanian idea of a mental crowd is a bit different to someone from Sydney's Northern Beaches! Maybe not - I can rarely be bothered with crowds either, I'd rather surf lower quality waves with fewer people.

Think the HSM is a bit straighter in the outline and curvier in the rocker than mine, but for sure there's a similarity.

The tail end of that Lizzy does look fine indeed! Are they just standard front fins from a 5 fin bonzer set? They look set quite far aft too which is interesting.

onefin said.. Maybe you can bonzer one up!!!

I've got plugs for sides on the 7'2er and the 8'0er. I call them half-bonzer, but do my best to keep the boards feeling as single fin-ish as possible even when I run sides so maybe the moniker is not very accurate.

I ran like this today, just to see how it felt...

Hey salty, yeah they are the larger two of the true Ames bonzer keels set of 4, it's an interesting feel as it's not the full bonzer feel like Malcolm's glassed on 5 fin or his glassed on 3 fin set up. The centre fin is interesting as well @ 7.75" I thought it would be too big with the sides but it works perfectly.

Single fins and bonzers fins are as hard to work out as quads!

Oh they're the rears from the Bonzer 5 ! That's quite a lot of fin then. Interesting. Do they have the extra cant in them? So they lean out at like 18 degrees or whatever the Bonzer standard is?

So what do you feel that you are gaining when adding these sides as compared to running just single? And what do you feel that you are losing as well?