And used his fame to help many afflicted by the disease.

So?

Does that make him a really bad person, sure he is a cheat, arrogant prick and an arsehole but do we throw out the good cause of the bad?

I'm not condoning what he did but IMO there are plenty of worse criminals/ people out there. Either way as a bike fan I'm disgusted in him but as a person I can't help think he is just a really flawed character, with some misguided moral, values etc but somehow has still helped put in a place a network to help people afflicted by the most horrible of diseases?
Gee the world is a confusing place sometimes?

Sure he is a cheat BUT how many others were on the stuff while he was competing surely he was not alone.

But he will always be remembered as a cheat,its just the way us humans deal with such things.

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Sure he is a cheat BUT how many others were on the stuff while he was competing surely he was not alone.

But he will always be remembered as a cheat,its just the way us humans deal with such things.

Yeah that's it when he started he was just another young rider looking to win and did what seems most others did, either way his life is ****ed now as you said will always be known as a fraud and cheat.

And the talk of jail? the media got there admission so what good would jailing him do either, sure he has committed some type of financial fraud taking money but it's not like the companies associated with him sales didn't go up when they were associated with him.

My mind is made up, I'm not letting his charity work cloud my judgement, he's an arrogant arsehole who destroyed people who got in his way and I think his charity work was primarily done for one of two reasons, he wanted the public to think he was a nice person, or he simply did it to make himself think he was a decent person.

Either way, it's still a case of someone being self absorbed.

I see it in big business all the time, people who would otherwise be classed as a sociopath wanting to be seen doing good work outside of the environment in which they make their living and make life hell for others.

The only places you are guaranteed to find a genuinely charitable person is in a community where battlers and ordinary folk are doing their best to help others, when they themselves are not much better off than those they help.

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My mind is made up, I'm not letting his charity work cloud my judgement, he's an arrogant arsehole who destroyed people who got in his way and I think his charity work was primarily done for one of two reasons, he wanted the public to think he was a nice person, or he simply did it to make himself think he was a decent person.

Either way, it's still a case of someone being self absorbed.

I see it in big business all the time, people who would otherwise be classed as a sociopath wanting to be seen doing good work outside of the environment in which they make their living and make life hell for others.

The only places you are guaranteed to find a genuinely charitable person is in a community where battlers and ordinary folk are doing their best to help others, when they themselves are not much better off than those they help.

i'm totally with obct.the charity work is just a front.

boys he duped millions of dollars out of people with a ravenous hunger and trampled anyone in his way for fame and money. i can't believe some are defending him- a bad case of having the wool pulled over your eyes and being star struck

i was just reading today that there's going to be a lot people who can't let go of their armstrong fantasy because they have invested years into him.

if you and me did 1 percent of what he has done you would be in jail.

plenty of peter foster types in jail for much much less

Great response boys, intelligent conversation in the LB room and why I put it here not general.

I agree he is a low self absorbed human and has shown the bad side of the human character.
He should be filled with shame. And Lacey, I hope he gets sued for every dollar he has but I don't get what a jail sentence would do being judged a lying cheating bastard for the rest of your life in the eye of the public is much more painful than being put in a cell. Having to face the media everyday would be a worse sentence IMO they will be relentless..

Although I do see the seriousness of lying to a grand jury he has shown contempt for the legal system and as OB said reeks of being self absorbed and above it all.

And the big business thing I agree with to but they made ****loads while they sponsored him I'm sure none of that cash will be returned to those consumers who bought the products cause of Lance so for them to turn around and ask for there cash back of him is just a business looking to boost its bottom line IMO.

I'm not supporting him, quite the opposit as someone who sat up and watched those 7 victories I hope someone kicks him in his one good nut...

sadly, i don't hold any pro sport in high regard when it comes to being drug free.

its hard to name one sport where drug taking hasn't been in the spotlight

Stand up paddle boarding is mug free

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Stand up paddle boarding is mug free

you reckon

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Stand up paddle boarding is mug free

Just imagine if the 666 community started taking performance enhancing drugs

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Sorry SP, sometimes I just can't stop myself

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Stand up paddle boarding is mug free

I doubt that!

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Stand up paddle boarding is mug free

Just imagine if the 666 community started taking performance enhancing drugs

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Sorry SP, sometimes I just can't stop myself

that's the one I was thinking of just threw a poppier version in - classic

sp going to gaol is the ultimate freedom goooone,especially in a u.s prison(hey marion jones copped it and she was far less deserving than this cycling hitler)[}:)]
**** the mafia and criminals have been donating money to all sorts of causes,even to the bloody church. still does not make them good people. just like when the bikie gangs do the teddy bear runs....pffffffffft.
he is calculating in everything he has done,even to sue those that dared challenge him. **** YOU LANCE ARMSTRONG.

sp,thought you might have posted the liestrong foundation piss take up(i cant seem to get this one)

Nice words OB.....I agree whole heartedly. When I was young I used to think that if if jumped through the TV screen I would be there........yest I wanted to jump through it and grab him and smash him.....that interview drove me mad....she was way to light on him. Very frustrating to watch - I turned it off after 40 mins.

cheat and a liar no doubt. Sounds like fraud maybe too?.. I haven't been following that part too closely......

maybe a silly question, were the drugs he was on illegal? No doubt they were against the rules of the sport but were they all or some of them illegal?? I heard mention of quartazone which is not and epo which I have no idea about?.

You can almost bet that irrespective of a direct admission or not, there will be a small group who still believe he didnt do it.

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You can almost bet that irrespective of a direct admission or not, there will be a small group who still believe he didnt do it.

yep and i saw elvis riding a custom CLEARWATER as well

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stuk said...
You can almost bet that irrespective of a direct admission or not, there will be a small group who still believe he didnt do it.

yep and i saw elvis riding a custom CLEARWATER as well

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because i saw him paddling up to wendts bridge on a lahui kai

I lasted the first 55 mins, all i saw was a bloke that was p!ssed off/spewin that he got caught, getting asked a heap of multiple choice and yes/no questions.

They should put him on a fixed-wheel bike without a seat and make him do it all again (minus the drugs of course).

Feel sorry for his family.

Lance Asstrong will be fine...... I wonder if it will ever be disclosed how much he got for appearing on Oprah? Then, when all this dust has settled, someone will come along and say, "Hey, Lance, let's write a book you and me, and I'll go you halves......." by the time this happens, which could be as little as a year, people will by the book.

There are 200 million jokers in the US, and so even if just a million of them by a book, he'll have enough for a start in some other venture.

Read up on Narcissistic personality disorder..... He fits all the criteria, so the LESS we all talk about him now, the less chance there is that people will want to by that book, that's got to come.

IMO, he's a Sea Hunt and should be made to work very, very hard for anything he achieves in the future.

and sadly he is trying to overturn the ban so he can ride again by the looks

Doping is a weird concept... in terms of how do you handle it from a legal perspective...

Part of me thinks this is a pretty grand scale of fraud (effectively financial fraud)... To a certain degree Lance tapped into some massive sponsorship deals which snowballed into a very successful business empire. But it was all based on artificially boosted performance... He effectively had a "Lions Share" of sponsor dollars directed to him. But if he was clean, he may have still been fairly successful, but those sponsorship dollars would have been distributed in a different way... But the Livestrong Foundation might never have happened at that scale without those 7 Tour Wins...

Yes, there are bigger criminals...

We chatted about it yesterday over a beer... Nike probably couldn't sue him, because they have already made a small fortune off his riding anyway... Other top cyclists might have missed out on a small slice of the pie, but I think most of those guys would be relatively well off anyway... plus plenty of other cyclists were also doping (fact).

I guess Prize Money should be redistributed...??? Hard to do though... Plus in that era doping was rife anyway... Just too hard to redistribute... Maybe just strip the prize money...




Zzzzz... anyway, I prefer to look at artwork tinting on the McTavish site! Plus I'm also having fun looking at KTM's to buy... Gotta roll over my old trusty Honda XR buddy, and get a mans bike! A KTM 500EXC...

There is talk that Lance was "holding back".... Of course... In a very public interview, you have to choose your words carefully... You can't spill 100% of all the beans in one hit!

You've gotta leave a little bit in reserve for further interviews, books, whatever...

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There is talk that Lance was "holding back".... Of course... In a very public interview, you have to choose your words carefully... You can't spill 100% of all the beans in one hit!

You've gotta leave a little bit in reserve for further interviews, books, whatever...

that's what I thought exactly Simosan I think you're on the money (sorry bout the pun)

I didn't hear today's as I was out and about.

But no matter what he said people would feel he didn't disclose everything.

I'll be honest it was kinda refreshing that he didn't come out and point fingers at others he strode up said sorry and I royally f%#*ed up. And let's be honest he did. But he didn't try to pass the buck.

One thing that stood out too me is he never called cancer cancer, when opera did he called it "the disease". You can say what you want about lance but live strong has helped people, cancer is bad (I'm not sure who here has witnessed it, and don't need too) my dads lost two close friends to it, we lost may partners mom to it a couple years back (she's still on the window sill) it's bad like something's trying to kill you so were going to pump toxin it you and hope it kills the cancer before it kills you bad and that doesn't even account for what it does to your body. Live strong is hope for those that need it most and having witnessed what cancer does to the person and the family I can only hope that it continues to in the future.

^^^^all good and great....yet how can your faith be based on this man now? who set up this foundation. the whole premise for liestrong was lance being clean and a superior human....yet he is a farking liar. so now all the cancer people who thought,go lance, we can do it. well no you cant...plus all the donors thinking and giving $ are, well farked as well. he says he lost 150 mil in two days.....well give back everything else. blah blah blah blah blah

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Whats struck me is that Lance had the chance early in the piece but didn't ... possibly had the opportunity to still be riding - possibly.... but well that's bygones not for me to pursue

Totally understand those points on the Big C ... I'm in the middle of it with Dad at the moment & don't wish that filth on anyone at all CC - it's an insidious thing and it's cost me any remote chance of my holiday now as well but that's a small inconsequential thing in comparison.

i wonder if all the doping etc may have had something to do with his cancer.

you would put your body through some weird **** to get those levels of performance