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NewScotty
NewScotty

2350 posts

31 Jan 2015 6:27am
As I've mentioned previously, I am not a fan of Soccer.
It just doesn't float my boat to play for 90 mins for a 1-0 scoreline. In saying that, I do have an interest in tonight's game as it appears the Socceroos are doing quite well of late. Can somebody fill me in on how significant a win tonight would be for Oz Soccer ?
Have we made the final before ?
Hell, I may even watch my first game of Soccer in a long time tonight.
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

31 Jan 2015 8:31am
Scotty a win would be Massive for Australian Football.
We welcome all the jump on the band wagon.
wavelength
wavelength

1195 posts

31 Jan 2015 8:52am
I'll probably miss seeing the goals as I flick back and forward between the football (soccer) and the Footy Show Fight Night , with a bit of women's tennis thrown in and a look at the election to see whether Mr Strong Choices gets the flick.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

31 Jan 2015 1:58pm
Scotty - a win tonight would be good for Australian Football - esp to help them against the other codes - but it will probably not make a massive difference. In terms of global impact - it will be small.No one really gives a toss about the Asian Cup except a few of the teams in the Asian comp. The African Nations Cup is presently being played and that is getting a lot of coverage in Europe - why? - Good time-zone dynamics and several stars that play in the European comps.

If Australia some day won the Bledisloe Cup back it would have more impact


Ricardo1709
Ricardo1709

NSW

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31 Jan 2015 11:28pm
TOTALLY EPIC GAME -Never say die Aussie spirit
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

31 Jan 2015 10:32pm
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Ted the Kiwi said..
Scotty - a win tonight would be good for Australian Football - esp to help them against the other codes - but it will probably not make a massive difference. In terms of global impact - it will be small.No one really gives a toss about the Asian Cup except a few of the teams in the Asian comp. The African Nations Cup is presently being played and that is getting a lot of coverage in Europe - why? - Good time-zone dynamics and several stars that play in the European comps.

If Australia some day won the Bledisloe Cup back it would have more impact




So the talent scouts won't be watching,yep huge win for Australian Football well played.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

31 Jan 2015 11:37pm
Yes great win - but will the world football gods look at Australia differently - maybe - but not massively. They will be impressed with the crowds though.
Sandsy1
Sandsy1

NSW

814 posts

1 Feb 2015 1:17am
OOOHHHHH YYYYEEEEAAAA!!!! OLE, OLE, OLE, OLE.
Who gives a fart what anyone thinks. We are the Champions of Asia!!!

Watch this space. Matt Ryan, Massimo Luongo, BIG clubs will be on their doorstep. Earning capacity just went through the roof.
MickPC
MickPC

8266 posts

1 Feb 2015 1:17am
haha yeah, how good was that...surprised, impressed & stoked even though I never cared. Great vibe at work with the elderly English expats, they loved it
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

1 Feb 2015 6:09am
Australia embrace it or fk off sticker in the mail Ted
Great win for Australia truly an uplifting moment in sporting history ,the game,the players, the fans.
This win was huge,all of Asia will take note Australia are the real deal and it was beamed to a worldwide
audience.
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

1 Feb 2015 8:15am
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Macaha said...
Australia embrace it or fk off sticker in the mail Ted
Great win for Australia truly an uplifting moment in sporting history ,the game,the players, the fans.
This win was huge,all of Asia will take note Australia are the real deal and it was beamed to a worldwide
audience.


What a night of sporting drama..

Great win and bright signs for the future with a team like that.
&
How good is the bloke with the plan and the dream of what Aussie football should be.

Great job Ange.. Made the hard decisions when he was given the job , backed himself all the way after he Picked the blokes he wanted and then got the job done.

Bet the champagne tasted good.
Ricardo1709
Ricardo1709

NSW

1302 posts

1 Feb 2015 12:10pm
Yeah not a huge soccer fan but that game and the attacking style of play was great to watch,hope its a sign of the way they will play in the future,so much better than the constant back passing we've witnessed in the past,plus it was better than watching SBW go 8 rounds with a punching bag
LordKuz
LordKuz

NSW

260 posts

1 Feb 2015 2:40pm
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NewScotty
NewScotty

2350 posts

1 Feb 2015 5:00pm
It turned out I didn't watch the Soccer afterall.
I thought there may have been a slim chance of showing interest but I guess it's just not my thing.
I did just enjoy the Bunnies taking out the Auckland 9's though.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

1 Feb 2015 8:47pm
Thank God you beat the Sharks.
Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

4 Feb 2015 5:46pm
Makes the NRL look like a walk in the park

www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

4 Feb 2015 3:51pm
Makes the UFC look good.

Hope they get some serious suspension the high foot and the punch were about as bad as it gets.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

4 Feb 2015 7:26pm
That's terrible - I agree SP throw the book at them
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

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14256 posts

5 Feb 2015 9:13am
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Macaha said..
Australia embrace it or fk off sticker in the mail Ted
Great win for Australia truly an uplifting moment in sporting history ,the game,the players, the fans.
This win was huge,all of Asia will take note Australia are the real deal and it was beamed to a worldwide
audience.



I see your point Mac but this bloke articulates mine nicely. Its along read Scotty - but worth it.



The Asian Cup, which wrapped up in Sydney at the weekend, was a wonderful event for so many reasons, including the football. Yet globally, it has lived in the shadow of the African Cup of Nations. And for good reason.The Asian confederation represents the majority of the world’s population, some of its richest countries and many of its biggest economies. Yet its premier tournament boasted no team in Fifa’s top 50.Africa, by comparison, has 11. In other words, the powerhouses of Asia – Iran (ranked 51 at the start of this month) and Japan (54) – are comparable to South Africa (52), who flopped spectacularly at the tournament in Equatorial Guinea.Fifa’s calculations could be wrong, of course, but even using Nate Silver’s more sophisticated Soccer Power Index, Africa blitzes Asia: nine top 50 spots to three at the last count. So why such a gulf in class?When a team like Zambia – GDP per head of around $1,500; population of 15 million – can make the top 50, it’s clearly not an economic or demographic issue. Saudi Arabia coach Cosmin Olaroiu spoke of his side lacking both the strength and organisational nous (on-field and off) to be truly competitive. His entire squad plays in the Saudi Professional League; the squad of Africa’s top team Algeria includes players from Tottenham, Napoli, Parma, Valencia, Sporting, Porto, Dinamo Zagreb, Trabzonspor and elsewhere in Europe’s big leagues.Jordan’s English coach, Ray Wilkins, bemoaned the way his players were outmuscled by a Japan side chock full of German-based players. His adopted country has good youth teams, including its Olympic one, “but we have to steer them in the right direction, because they have to become physically much stronger [and cleverer]”. To put it another way, he’d like to see them tested in Europe rather than playing in the Gulf.



But for Tom Byer, a development expert working with both the Japanese and Chinese systems, change has to come from below. “My philosophy to developing players is exactly the same as to developing these countries,” the New Yorker says from Tokyo, his home of many years. “And that is: unless you can close the gap between the very best and the very worst, it’s very difficult to see a really big paradigm shift.”He says Japan typically cruise through World Cup qualification, then didn’t know what to do when they came up against more seasoned opponents. It’s a problem Australia knows all too well from their years in Oceania. “Until we, Asia, the AFC, can start developing some of these other teams, these fringe countries that are starting to break through, [this will keep happening].”One of those countries that needs to lift is China, where Byer has recently begun working with the Ministry of Education to get football back into schools. While he is heartened by the investment going into the game there, not to mention the national team’s early performances in this Asian Cup, he says there is still a long way to go.“China only qualified for the 2002 World Cup because Japan and Korea automatically qualified [as hosts],” he said. “I never really hear anybody talk about that.

They always talk about how China has played in a World Cup. But let’s be realistic.“They throw money at the top end of the game, believing they are one coach away from qualifying, and nothing happens. If people really do their homework and they zero in on what’s needed to get your country competitive, it really starts with the grassroots effort.”After South Korea’s scrappy quarter-final win over Uzbekistan, coach Uli Stielike expressed similar concerns. “You have to recognise that we have to work a lot, a lot, a lot in Korea from the base, from the boys 6-7-8 years, on the development of technical skills.”Even more fundamental for Byer is the football culture of a country. And football culture means family and community. “Most of the world’s best players are uncoached,” he says. Instead, they learn from fathers, brothers, uncles and out on the streets. Which explains Africa.“It’s probably not as organised, but there’s probably more kids that play it than they do out here. Everybody kind of looks at China and scratches their head and tries to figure out why a country with 1.3 billion don’t do well in football. Here’s the reality: nobody plays. And a lot of people don’t get that.”Byer says anything is possible for Asia. Shinji Okazaki, one of Japan’s star strikers, feels likewise. “Of course, the culture and history of soccer in Asia is still short – insufficient even, I think, if you’re talking about having a proper go at the World Cup,” he told Guardian Australia in the lead-up to the tournament. “But as the years go by, Asia is getting stronger, and the level of the Asian Cup is going up incredibly.”Team-mate Gotoku Sakai agrees. “When you look at countries like Korea, as well as Australia and Japan, I feel those countries are improving a little at a time, to the point where they might be able to genuinely mix things up in Europe.”Stielike, though, is less optimistic, accusing the confederation of insularity. “There is a lot of rivalry – Korea is looking at what Japan is doing, Japan is looking at what China is doing – we are observing each other and we forget a little the development of the football (in countries like) Spain, Germany, is passing by us.

For the moment, the distance is going bigger and bigger. And this is something that we have to stop.”No Asian team picked up more than a single point at Brazil 2014, and all finished bottom of their group. If another embarrassment is to be avoided when the world’s gaze shifts onto Russia or returns to Asia in 2022, there’s a lot of work to do.

Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

5 Feb 2015 8:30am
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Ted the Kiwi said..

Macaha said..
Australia embrace it or fk off sticker in the mail Ted
Great win for Australia truly an uplifting moment in sporting history ,the game,the players, the fans.
This win was huge,all of Asia will take note Australia are the real deal and it was beamed to a worldwide
audience.








The Asian Cup, which wrapped up in Sydney at the weekend, was a wonderful event for so many reasons, including the football.




I rest my case sure I get the rest but my point was as stated above.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

5 Feb 2015 10:13am
Thats good Mac - I just read the last line only

For the moment, the distance is going bigger and bigger. And this is something that we have to stop.”No Asian team picked up more than a single point at Brazil 2014, and all finished bottom of their group. If another embarrassment is to be avoided when the world’s gaze shifts onto Russia or returns to Asia in 2022, there’s a lot of work to do.
Sandsy1
Sandsy1

NSW

814 posts

5 Feb 2015 11:46am
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Ted the Kiwi said..
Thats good Mac - I just read the last line only

For the moment, the distance is going bigger and bigger. And this is something that we have to stop.”No Asian team picked up more than a single point at Brazil 2014, and all finished bottom of their group. If another embarrassment is to be avoided when the world’s gaze shifts onto Russia or returns to Asia in 2022, there’s a lot of work to do.


Good points. In hindsight the only team that looked like getting a result at The World Cup was Australia, but at that time of the teams development, the defensive frailties cost us dearly. Don't forget, we outplayed The Netherlands and led them for a large part of the game. I only see positives going forward and for a country that spreads it's best sportsmen around a lot of different sports, we are doing well.
Ted the Kiwi
Ted the Kiwi

NSW

14256 posts

5 Feb 2015 5:54pm
I agree Sandys - I am a big fan of what Ange is trying to do. Hats off. I was more just answering Scottys original question !

Did anyone hear the Interview Timmy gave with John Laws this morning - he hung up on him ! Classic stuff. He is getting roasted on the radio down here at the moment. Never heard a bad word said about him except when his bro went down. Funny this public.

Just after 8 mins for the hang up and at 18 mins when Lee comes on - gold !

"You're a very rich man now Tim" - John Laws interviewing Tim Cahill. Cahill hangs up on John Laws. Listener Lee from Byron Bay calls John to respond and swears: "...you're a cock sucking c**t." Broadcast on Sydney radio station 2SM on Thursday 5th February 2015.

Macaha
Macaha

QLD

21981 posts

5 Feb 2015 5:23pm
hahaha Ted that was a classic
SP
SP

SP

10982 posts

5 Feb 2015 4:07pm
Brilliant

Lee nailed it...

John is a ****..
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